Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up. 
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
You’ve obviously never owned a pair of brown dealer boots then 
OVLOV JAY:
Those who can, drive. Those who can’t, night trunk 
“Those who can, drive. Those who can’t, 6 points is OK!” 
OVLOV JAY:
Those who can, drive. Those who can’t, night trunk
Although some night trunkers could stay in the job without having to join the ‘drivers’ on days because nights ‘were killing them’. 
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
Carryfast:
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours.
Yeah for a about 5 minutes 30 years ago till you realised you couldn’t even hack it then. Well done you
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours.
Yeah for a about 5 minutes 30 years ago till you realised you couldn’t even hack it then. Well done you
All depends on your definition of ‘hacking’ and obviously the guvnor didn’t agree with you or he’d have found someone else stupid enough to do the job his way and wouldn’t have bothered with asking me to go back and work for him. 
Your nutty conclusions continue to confirm how little you’ve done. Your rules would put tremendous pressure on drivers to rush and squeeze the work in which could be done at a more leisurely pace within the existing rules
You have absolutely no real world experience to draw upon and it shows in your ideas.
At the moment I know I have 15 hours to get a finite amount done in so I relax, have a brew and even a nap if I feel like it.
A driver who has had a relaxing but long day is far more alert than one who has been rushing all day to achieve his/her goals within a vastly restricted day. I and any number of vastly more experienced drivers on here can assure you that driving the last hew hours of a 15 is of no danger or stress in comparison with your crackpot ideas.
For example a I can sit out a stressful peak period of traffic with a 15 or take a shower and enjoy my meal at leisure without clock watching which I can assure you, once again with the actual experience of such, is a much more relaxed way to work.
Carryfast:
wouldn’t have bothered with asking me to go back and work for him.
Well we’ve only got your word for that haven’t we? I trust he’s still running the business and has made his millions after implementing your ideas?
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours.
Yeah for a about 5 minutes 30 years ago till you realised you couldn’t even hack it then. Well done you
All depends on your definition of ‘hacking’ and obviously the guvnor didn’t agree with you or he’d have found someone else stupid enough to do the job his way and wouldn’t have bothered with asking me to go back and work for him.
If you say so
“What we’re dealing with here young Carryfast is a complete lack of respect for the law”
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Name one of your demanding employers.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Well, did I too miss something then CF. Luke may not of been around the job then but a lot of us that say you’re full of [zb] were
So feel free to tell me and them, perhaps for Lukes benefit too, exactly how different those halcion days were !! 
Oh and a lot of us are still driving and enjoying it. My licence is, and always has been, clean too.
billybigrig:
Your nutty conclusions continue to confirm how little you’ve done. Your rules would put tremendous pressure on drivers to rush and squeeze the work in which could be done at a more leisurely pace within the existing rules
You have absolutely no real world experience to draw upon and it shows in your ideas.
At the moment I know I have 15 hours to get a finite amount done in so I relax, have a brew and even a nap if I feel like it.
A driver who has had a relaxing but long day is far more alert than one who has been rushing all day to achieve his/her goals within a vastly restricted day. I and any number of vastly more experienced drivers on here can assure you that driving the last hew hours of a 15 is of no danger or stress in comparison with your crackpot ideas.
For example a I can sit out a stressful peak period of traffic with a 15 or take a shower and enjoy my meal at leisure without clock watching which I can assure you, once again with the actual experience of such, is a much more relaxed way to work.
The same applies in regards to a shorter working ‘day’.It just means that the guvnor gets a bit less done in a working ‘day’ because in this case I’ve reduced it to one instead of almost two.
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Name one of your demanding employers.
I already have if you know where to look.
Carryfast:
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Name one of your demanding employers.
I already have if you know where to look.
I don’t, so maybe you could do me the courtesy of posting one or two, if you wouldn’t mind.
Carryfast:
billybigrig:
Your nutty conclusions continue to confirm how little you’ve done. Your rules would put tremendous pressure on drivers to rush and squeeze the work in which could be done at a more leisurely pace within the existing rules
You have absolutely no real world experience to draw upon and it shows in your ideas.
At the moment I know I have 15 hours to get a finite amount done in so I relax, have a brew and even a nap if I feel like it.
A driver who has had a relaxing but long day is far more alert than one who has been rushing all day to achieve his/her goals within a vastly restricted day. I and any number of vastly more experienced drivers on here can assure you that driving the last hew hours of a 15 is of no danger or stress in comparison with your crackpot ideas.
For example a I can sit out a stressful peak period of traffic with a 15 or take a shower and enjoy my meal at leisure without clock watching which I can assure you, once again with the actual experience of such, is a much more relaxed way to work.
The same applies in regards to a shorter working ‘day’.It just means that the guvnor gets a bit less done in a working ‘day’ because in this case I’ve reduced it to one instead of almost two.
No it doesn’t. If I have a 10 hour driving day to do I can take my sweet time as I’ve got up to 5 hours to nap, eat, shower or generally skive through
All you’ve done is compressed a finite amount of work into a smaller time frame. You’ve also given a tremendous advantage to larger companies with greater resources and kicked the small to mid sized haulier square in the plums
billybigrig:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Well, did I too miss something then CF. Luke may not of been around the job then but a lot of us that say you’re full of [zb] were
So feel free to tell me and them, perhaps for Lukes benefit too, exactly how different those halcion days were !!
Firstly every hour wasted in a queue to get loaded and tipped didn’t mean that lost time didn’t have to be made up when you eventually did get in or out of the gate and it certainly was a case of getting involved with the loading and securing it etc etc using a tilt or a flat.Then to add insult to injury as I’ve said the guvnor wanted all that lost time made up for and forgotten about in getting it to where it was going and getting it tipped all within the same day.However where I was arguing with the guvnor about the issue of knowing when to call it a day,according to his posts here Luke would probably have been arguing with about the type of speed that he was expected to run at let alone not being able to sit there reading etc etc when he needed to be getting on with sheeting a load on a flat using a zb tilt cover for a sheet for example.
Carryfast:
I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
Wanna bet on that? You want to have tried some of my jobs of you think 15 hours is a long day. Try working for irish and Dutch fridge operators. Not to mention Nolans pulling fridges, curtainsiders and flats and getting 3 or 4 hours sleep a night, if I was lucky.
Carryfast:
some demanding employers if that helps.
Like? I trust you told them where to shove their working practises and you did it your way
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
Happydaze:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
And I still can’t believe your going for the increase in driving but decrease in working day. You’d know if you had much experience to speak of that often when you sit around for 2/3/4 hours during day you do just that, sit around. I have a nap, or study, or read, or watch a DVD. Hardly hard work is it. With your plan no one would ever hit max driving hours as it’d be pretty much impossible. One hour to fit daily checks, break, loading, fuelling. Go out and get a proper job and come back when you’ve some idea what your talking about. The rushing round in your day sounds exhausting. Can you imagine how stressful it’d be trying to get everything done?
I think you’re missing the point that it should be a sensible overall day regardless of the different types of work done and that maximum permitted driving (or overall day) hours aren’t a target.Which obviously means that the more ‘other work’ etc involved during the day means less driving for that day.While the maximum permitted driving hours are just that.They don’t mean drive up to the last minute of those available hours and then park up.
However just because a driver ‘might’ need to sit around watching tele,reading etc etc for a large part of the day/night while not driving,won’t make any difference to the risk involved in the case of driving during last 4 hours + of a 15 hour shift regardless of what made up that shift.
As I’ve said I’ve worked on general haulage using similar ideas regarding hours (with the exception of the extended driving time idea) to those which I’m saying just by having the bottle to tell the guvnor that’s how it’s going to be if I’m doing the job.It was a lot less ‘exhausting’ than doing it his way of trying to get more than a day’s work done in a day.
With every post you make it gets clearer and clearer how little real world experience you have. Your way would be exhausting without a doubt. You’d be under pressure not to have breaks over what’s legally required during the day. That would be more tiring and more dangerous. It’s all good and well saying ‘I’d tell the boss this is how it’s going to be done’ but you’ve never had to have you? Certainly not in the current climate with no end of drivers willing to take your place and drivers just a number.
But I go back to fact that most drivers commenting who have lots of experience of general haulage (and much more than me) don’t actually find 15 hours that hard. Mainly because those hours over the driving are as I said before often just sat around doing nothing. Your not doing extra work. Your just waiting. You seem to think we are all in back moving pallets around or working in a warehouse for 5 hours a day. Under your rules we’d have a lot more tired under pressure drivers rushing round and a massive drop in productivity, only someone as bonkers as you could come up with that. So, when did you stop driving? Or did you ever actually drive at all?
You seem to think that I don’t know better and maybe it should have been you who applied to take that job instead of me because I reckon that you’d have got a shock to find out what real general haulage was like 1980’s uk style.
When did I stop driving.In August 1999,after almost 20 years,with a clean record with some demanding employers if that helps.
Name one of your demanding employers.
I already have if you know where to look.
I don’t, so maybe you could do me the courtesy of posting one or two, if you wouldn’t mind.
I’ll leave that to you using your obviously weak powers of deduction.
Carryfast:
Luke would probably have been arguing
Well no actually I wouldn’t. Because unlike you I do the job as my employer wants it done. And if I don’t like how they want it done I find a new employer.