kr79:
How comes so many hauliers are downrating to 50 52 then.
Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph. 
Maybe if you was to ask the Polish or Lithuanian operators the same question 
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This is a war of attrition, come on, we’re slowly wearing him down! Im prepared to post on this thread for years if need be…
Carryfast:
kr79:
How comes so many hauliers are downrating to 50 52 then.Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph.
Maybe if you was to ask the Polish or Lithuanian operators the same question
Down to 60 now then?
They’d have the same answer as us. They are some of the slowest on the road.
Carryfast:
kr79:
How comes so many hauliers are downrating to 50 52 then.Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph.
Maybe if you was to ask the Polish or Lithuanian operators the same question
The work is there its the rates that aren’t
Carryfast:
kr79:
How comes so many hauliers are downrating to 50 52 then.Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph.
Maybe if you was to ask the Polish or Lithuanian operators the same question
if it was worth running at 60 then people would because thats the legal limit on the M’way.
Not been on much these last few days, and here I find a massive thread demonstrating that perhaps the battleship guns have swivelled onto another target.
I’m frankly amazed at the huge unreadable amount of sheer text written on the subject of “anti carryfast” in the guise of banter…
And to think a few days ago, there were those ■■■■■■ off with the large amount of text I was writing…
If I write a lot of text, it has the reasoning behind it (among other things) of being able to type fast enough to be making it little effort on my part.
What’s everyone else’s excuse?
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Thing your missing Carryfast and you’d know this if you had anything to do with transport is that despite the limiter law being set at 90 a huge amount of fleets now run at 85 or even less. My truck was turned down to 84 to save fuel.I was driving wagons limited to 85 kmh in the 1990’s.
was that on your night trunk was it from depot at side of the motorway to the next one??
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
Thing your missing Carryfast and you’d know this if you had anything to do with transport is that despite the limiter law being set at 90 a huge amount of fleets now run at 85 or even less. My truck was turned down to 84 to save fuel.I was driving wagons limited to 85 kmh in the 1990’s.
Ok so what the hell are you on about then?
Because the idea was just as stupid as fitting them with limiters set at 90 kmh to start with was.
However you’ve answered your own bs by saying that it was ‘law’ not choice to fit them to start with.
However the logic of all those against raising the 9-10 hour driving limits but mixing that with 15 hour days is ok and plodding around at 50-55 mph being seen as better than 60-65 says everything.
Carryfast:
Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph.
Bingo, there you have it, typical yeah but no but Carryfast. Contradicted his own standing, once again
Nobody has any idea what your talking about. To start with you wanted a max 11 hour working day, now you want to raise the driving hours from 9/10. Originally you wanted 65 max speed, then it went down to 60. I’m not the one talking bs, you are without a doubt. Your all over the place. When did you last drive a truck? Was it the 90’s?
taffytrucker:
Carryfast:
kr79:
How comes so many hauliers are downrating to 50 52 then.Not enough work out there to tip the fuel consumption/productivety equation to make it worth running at 60 mph.
Maybe if you was to ask the Polish or Lithuanian operators the same question
if it was worth running at 60 then people would because thats the legal limit on the M’way.
I’m saying raise the limit to 65 mph and people wouldn’t/can’t run at 60 because eu law,related to speed limiter speed settings,overrules UK law related to motorway speed limits.To allow the choice the law would need to be changed in relation to the acceptance of EU directives concerning British registered trucks.No surprise that the rail freight supporting British government won’t do that.
As the vast majority of freight movement is under 100 miles 55 to 65 don’t make lots of difference. And how much road freightvhas transferred to rail some yes but there are still loads of trucks doing long distance.
Carryfast:
davepenn54:
I’ve found this thread very difficult to follow as once again ‘carryfast’ has taken it to a whole new level of bizarre thinking. CF you sound like the driver that every company seems to employ for a short period of time, knows everything but in reality knows nothing and usually leaves a real mess behind them when they’ve moved on to something better. From what I can understand from your post’s you have done a very short time on general haulage work and couldn’t hack it because the gaffer didn’t want to do it your way but after you did one he wanted you back
obviously that company is now out of the game because you chose not to go back and sort the job out for him.
i’ve got a feeling that switchlogic has got a bit of time on his hands at the moment, maybe parked up having a quick 24, coz that is what working on Euro general can sometimes demand which is why you carryfast and most of your comments and post’s will never be taken seriously, because you have never done it and now you never will. In my time in the traffic office it was a well known rule that you never tried to change a trunk driver onto the general side because there was a reason fella’s could make it on trunk but not on general
Trunk drivers where usually the one’s on the phone when the interior light wasn’t working and they’d lost their pen to fill out the logbook/tacho
CF you remind me so much of my time in the traffic office, a trunk driver who knows everything but in reality knows nothing
Regards
Dave Penn;That doesn’t explain though how it was that a general operator asked me to go back after I’d told him to shove his stupid ideas on long hours and the load gets there when it gets there.Probably because he realised that I was talking sense after all.
OK Mr CF who was this mysterious ‘General Operator’ that wanted you to go back and why, even if you didn’t go back, did the operator take up your way of doing the job I am really interested to find out if any of the numerous general haulage firms you have been acquainted with are still around and if they are still employing the same cohort of drivers that they had then.
I think that if it was me with so much insight and knowledge of the general haulage game I would have been putting this together into some kind of training package (DCPC) 
to sell to hauliers at a reasonable price.
Aw come on carryfast don’t tell me you haven’t thought of that one
Regards
Dave Penn;
switchlogic:
Nobody has any idea what your talking about. To start with you wanted a max 11 hour working day, now you want to raise the driving hours from 9/10. Originally you wanted 65 max speed, then it went down to 60. I’m not the one talking bs, you are without a doubt. Your all over the place. When did you last drive a truck? Was it the 90’s?
The problem is all in your own levels of understanding.I’m saying that first speed limiter legislation from the EU should have been refused on British registered trucks.That would have meant the retention of the British motorway speed limits.However I’m also saying that the motorway speed limits for trucks ‘should’ be raised to 65 mph throughout Europe including Britain.
In the case of raising driving hours I’m saying where’s the logic in limiting driving time to 9-10 hours but it’s possible to be driving during an overall day of up to 15 hours.
Who was prime minister when limiters came in. Surely we should blame her
kr79:
As the vast majority of freight movement is under 100 miles 55 to 65 don’t make lots of difference. And how much road freightvhas transferred to rail some yes but there are still loads of trucks doing long distance.
Whatever the differences where’s the problem with raising the limit to 65 mph for those that could make use of it and where’s the logic in having a 9-10 hour driving limit but it’s ok to still be driving up to 15 hours after starting work for the day.
davepenn54:
Carryfast:
davepenn54:
I’ve found this thread very difficult to follow as once again ‘carryfast’ has taken it to a whole new level of bizarre thinking. CF you sound like the driver that every company seems to employ for a short period of time, knows everything but in reality knows nothing and usually leaves a real mess behind them when they’ve moved on to something betteri’ve got a feeling that switchlogic has got a bit of time on his hands at the moment, maybe parked up having a quick 24, coz that is what working on Euro general can sometimes demand which is why you carryfast and most of your comments and post’s will never be taken seriously, because you have never done it and now you never will. In my time in the traffic office it was a well known rule that you never tried to change a trunk driver onto the general side because there was a reason fella’s could make it on trunk but not on general
Regards
Dave Penn;That doesn’t explain though how it was that a general operator asked me to go back after I’d told him to shove his stupid ideas on long hours and the load gets there when it gets there.Probably because he realised that I was talking sense after all.
OK Mr CF who was this mysterious ‘General Operator’ that wanted you to go back and why, even if you didn’t go back, did the operator take up your way of doing the job
I think that if it was me with so much insight and knowledge of the general haulage game I would have been putting this together into some kind of training package (DCPC)
Aw come on carryfast don’t tell me you haven’t thought of that oneRegards
Dave Penn;
I think that it just came down to the fact that there’s probably a lot more drivers who share my views of mixing 15 hour days and driving trucks than he realised. 
switchlogic:
Well I for one think that this ‘debate’ has been most entertaining.
+1 (can imagine the smile on Bertie’s face too) infact bet Bertie has more experience of the real world)
Carryfast:
billybigrig:
Oh christ now we’re back on the good ole U.S. of A… Crazynuts the 55 limit was brought in why ■■ It was due to the shortage of oil and thus fuel. ■■■■■■■ back down to 55mph uses less fuel. Most big U.S. fleets are limiting there motors right down on speed and in some fleets power too. Why ■■ because the cost of fuel used at speed is greater than the commercial advantage gained by covering the miles and their diesel is still a lot cheaper than ours
I lived and worked out there and we still own a house out there, how about you ■■? Still do feel free to try and tell me all about things over there from your vast pool of knowledge and experience
In your expert opinion exactly why the zb was it then that they ever bothered to get the 55 limit raised instead of just leaving the thing where it was to start with
Speed limits are set at a state level and that was countrywide federal mandate that was lifted because oil supplies went up again and as the price of diesel was naff all back then as a percentage of total operating costs so it didn’t matter. Also you have to consider the much greater distances involved in road transport over there. I know as do many on here having actually done the [zb]ing job In the past 10 years that percentage has changed dramatically with the rising diesel costs prompting operators to look where they can from changing to streamline units instead of classic to the fitment of APU’s, to reduce idling , trailer airkits and those god awful boat tail contraptions. The first thing many did was limit the trucks top speed, usually at 60 - 65mph which is woefully short of the limit in many states. From the massive fleets of the likes of Swift, Marten and Schnieder down to the mid size guys like Jones, Jim Palmer and Watkins Sheppard (who also downrated the power of the engines aswell) In fact Jim Palmer has had his set at 64 for as long as I can remember
However ‘if’ you’re right then there would obviously be no objections from any operators who want to stay at 55 mph to save fuel assuming that the limit was raised to 65 mph to at least provide the option for those who know better.
No operator would touch that with a barge pole. Financial suicide, which if you had ever owned or run trucks you would know.
Next ■■?
Longman5978:
switchlogic:
Well I for one think that this ‘debate’ has been most entertaining.+1 (can imagine the smile on Bertie’s face too) infact bet Bertie has more experience of the real world)
Bertie is finding this most entertaining and for the first time ever he’s on my side and Bertie knows best, he was a high flying transport consultant before he fell on hard times…