waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
That isn’t defined by the regulations, you are only limited by how many driving hours you can fit in while still meeting the break and rest requirements.
Taken to the limit you could start work at midnight and do 9 hour driving with a 45 minute break, finishing at 09:45. You could then take 9 hours daily rest and resume work at 18:45, drive 4.5 hours then take a 45 minute break. That would take you back to Midnight and you will have legally done 13.5 hours driving in 24 hours, however the lack of other work for vehicle checks would be frowned upon but even taking 15 minutes at the start of each shift you would still have driven 13 hours in 24.
The daily driving limit of 9 hours, extended to 10 hours twice per week, is the amount of driving allowed between the end of one rest period and the start of the next and is nothing to do with the 24 hour day.
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
9 extended to 10 twice a week. And don’t listen to adygreen1, if a stobart driver said he could drive 20 hrs he’d belive it
but you havent explained why im not getting infringements,ive had 1 in the last year for going over 4.5 hrs driving, no others,so if im wrong why am i not getting infringements
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
9 extended to 10 twice a week. And don’t listen to adygreen1, if a stobart driver said he could drive 20 hrs he’d belive it
but you havent explained why im not getting infringements,ive had 1 in the last year for going over 4.5 hrs driving, no others,so if im wrong why am i not getting infringements
I’ve explained the probable reason why. Your lack of understanding of the rules makes you think you are getting away with something when in fact you are not.
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
9 extended to 10 twice a week. And don’t listen to adygreen1, if a stobart driver said he could drive 20 hrs he’d belive it
really,well coffees saying 13 odd,read above
Because OVLOV JAY answered a different question to the one asked. The question was how many hours you could drive in a 24-hour period and the answer is 13.5, or 13 with time allowed for vehicle checks. 9 or 10 hours is the answer to the maximum driving between rest periods.
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
9 extended to 10 twice a week. And don’t listen to adygreen1, if a stobart driver said he could drive 20 hrs he’d belive it
really,well coffees saying 13 odd,read above
Neil’s right on both counts, you can do 13 odd hours if you include a daily rest, but seeing as a professional driver felt the need to ask a simple question, he got a simplified answer, ie one shift per 24 hours, which most on here do. And he’s right about your analysis people, they’re not doing they’re job right
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
That isn’t defined by the regulations, you are only limited by how many driving hours you can fit in while still meeting the break and rest requirements.
Taken to the limit you could start work at midnight and do 9 hour driving with a 45 minute break, finishing at 09:45. You could then take 9 hours daily rest and resume work at 18:45, drive 4.5 hours then take a 45 minute break. That would take you back to Midnight and you will have legally done 13.5 hours driving in 24 hours, however the lack of other work for vehicle checks would be frowned upon but even taking 15 minutes at the start of each shift you would still have driven 13 hours in 24.
The daily driving limit of 9 hours, extended to 10 hours twice per week, is the amount of driving allowed between the end of one rest period and the start of the next and is nothing to do with the 24 hour day.
Are you still saying it’s simple??
Yeah, it’s simple when you don’t get confused by the terminology and definitions of that terminology.
It must be simple because ady1 clearly lacks knowledge of the rules yet appears to be staying legal despite that.
OVLOV JAY:
And he’s right about your analysis people, they’re not doing they’re job right
I retracted that statement as I realised, when I finally deciphered ady1’s post, that he in fact thinks he is getting away with something but in fact he just doesn’t understand the rules and in this case his lack of understanding appears to be keeping him legal.
I gave the answer as 13 odd hours for the other question as I read it that the poster was talking about an actual 24 hours. I got the impression he may be in an argu… discussion with someone about that as a lot of people incorrectly think that if you start work at 06:00 and do 10 hours driving and finish at 18:00 you cannot start before 06:00 as you would be driving more than 10 hours in 24. In fact you could start again at 03:00, if a reduced rest was available and the EU regulations make no restriction on the amount of driving in 24 hours.
waddy640:
Digressing slightly, how many hours can you drive in a 24 hour period?
9 extended to 10 twice a week. And don’t listen to adygreen1, if a stobart driver said he could drive 20 hrs he’d belive it
but you havent explained why im not getting infringements,ive had 1 in the last year for going over 4.5 hrs driving, no others,so if im wrong why am i not getting infringements
I’ve explained the probable reason why. Your lack of understanding of the rules makes you think you are getting away with something when in fact you are not.
i think the fact ive had one infringment in appx a year means ive a pretty good understanding of the rules ,
If the rules, as published by VOSA, were clear about what can and cant be done in any given period, then there would be far less confusion. Rest periods are defined as what must be taken within a 24 hour period, but driving is less definitive. Clarity would reduce infringements and therefore reduce VOSA’s income.
gogzy:
can do 3 x15 and 2x13s over 5 days, i think if your doin 6 days a week you can do 3x15 and 3x13.
You can do 6 x 15 hr shifts if you want, as long as you take a minimum 3hr rest period during your shift It’s called split shift
i do it without split rests
fri-15 hrs
sat-15 hrs
sun -15 hrs
mon-15 hrs
tues-15 hrs
wed-15 hrs
there not all dead 15 hrs but the eq of 15 hrs i.e 14 hrs,13.5 hrs, fri,sat,sun are classed as a different week to mon,tues,wed so im doing 3x15 in week one and 3x15 in week two, but obviously when i come back in fri/sat ive no 15 hrs left untill midnight sunday ,unless i do splits.
the bloke who checks our time books is having kittens with me ,recons what im doing is illegal ,but he cant explain,doesnt understand why im not getting any infringements .
You might be illegal. You can reduce your rest three times between weekly rest periods and not three times per week. 3x15’s Mon - Weds followed by a weekly rest then 3x15’s Fri - Sun is legal so no infringement for that.
However if you do 6x15’s Fri - Weds that should be getting picked up. If you never do that then this bit.
i do it without split rests
isn’t true and explains why no infringements.
I don’t think you are doing 6x15’s Fri - Weds as you say:
but obviously when i come back in fri/sat ive no 15 hrs left untill midnight sunday ,unless i do splits.
So it seems you are doing 3x15’s Mon- Weds then not doing any Fri, Sat or Sun, even though you could as you have completed a weekly rest. Only in certain weeks are you doing 3x15’s Mon - Weds, weekly rest, 3x15’s Fri - Sun which is legal.
No they are not, the week runs from 00:00 Monday until 24:00 Sunday so all those days are in the same week
From when you resume work after one weekly rest period you can do a shift of more than 13 hours three times, the remaining shifts must be no more than 13 hours, before you start the next weekly rest period and what days are in what calendar week has no bearing on that.
You are very confused about the rules as first you incorrectly say Fri, Sat and Sun are a different week to Mon, Tues and Weds but then you say you can’t do any more 15’s until after midnight Sunday, which implies you know that is when a new week starts.
so in short i can do
mo-wed 15hrs
thurs rest
fri-sun 15 hrs
am i right in then thinking i cant do a a 15 until after ive had my weekly rest of thurs/fri that week,unless i do splits
split rests i normally record them in time book, but in alot of cases [most] i have to wait 4/5/6 hrs for a collection, so tacho on rest/break then in bunk/canteen so it will be on break rest for 4/4/6 hrs,are they with my min 9 hrs at night counting this as a split rest even though i dont bother/or record it as such ta
mickyblue:
your planing to work 6 days a week and not spend much time at home?.. is she still peed about the insurance thing
dont bring that up its cost me a bomb in holidays,flowers,rings and god knows what else]100,s more than i ever saved in putting her with a back street company, thats why im grabbing every hour to claw some of it back ,you know women ill never hear the end of it.
Worst case scenario is if it is split daily rest as it says double shift, not double manned.
You do 6hrs work/driving on the way up, 3hrs rest, 6hrs work/driving on the way down and then 9hrs off. You have then met the criteria for 12hrs daily rest when doing split daily rest and you can legally do that 5/6 days a week.
I could actually see that as being a possiblility.
OVLOV JAY:
And he’s right about your analysis people, they’re not doing they’re job right
I retracted that statement as I realised, when I finally deciphered ady1’s post, that he in fact thinks he is getting away with something but in fact he just doesn’t understand the rules and in this case his lack of understanding appears to be keeping him legal.
I gave the answer as 13 odd hours for the other question as I read it that the poster was talking about an actual 24 hours. I got the impression he may be in an argu… discussion with someone about that as a lot of people incorrectly think that if you start work at 06:00 and do 10 hours driving and finish at 18:00 you cannot start before 06:00 as you would be driving more than 10 hours in 24. In fact you could start again at 03:00, if a reduced rest was available and the EU regulations make no restriction on the amount of driving in 24 hours.
try telling the greman’s this as i have been done for not waitting till 24hr pearod was up, and 11hr 10mins driving done with an 11hr break taken between !!!
Even our CPC trainer was confused about this, kept talking about three 15 hour shifts in a week, I said you mean three reduced daily rests between weekly rest periods don’t you? And he said yes three a week
Conor:
Worst case scenario is if it is split daily rest as it says double shift, not double manned.
You do 6hrs work/driving on the way up, 3hrs rest, 6hrs work/driving on the way down and then 9hrs off. You have then met the criteria for 12hrs daily rest when doing split daily rest and you can legally do that 5/6 days a week.
I could actually see that as being a possiblility.
I couldn’t as it would be illegal. You cannot take rest in a moving vehicle so the 3 hours could be break or POA but certainly not rest and could not be used toward a split daily rest.
OVLOV JAY:
And he’s right about your analysis people, they’re not doing they’re job right
I retracted that statement as I realised, when I finally deciphered ady1’s post, that he in fact thinks he is getting away with something but in fact he just doesn’t understand the rules and in this case his lack of understanding appears to be keeping him legal.
I gave the answer as 13 odd hours for the other question as I read it that the poster was talking about an actual 24 hours. I got the impression he may be in an argu… discussion with someone about that as a lot of people incorrectly think that if you start work at 06:00 and do 10 hours driving and finish at 18:00 you cannot start before 06:00 as you would be driving more than 10 hours in 24. In fact you could start again at 03:00, if a reduced rest was available and the EU regulations make no restriction on the amount of driving in 24 hours.
try telling the greman’s this as i have been done for not waitting till 24hr pearod was up, and 11hr 10mins driving done with an 11hr break taken between !!!
I would tell them and I would not under any circumstances be paying a fine for a non existent offence. That surprises me about the Germans as I have been stopped countless times in controls with more than 10 hours driving in a calendar 24 hours, 3 times last year at least, and it has never so much as raised an eyebrow. A shift of around 10 hours with near 9 hours driving, 9 hour rest and crack on and never mentioned if stopped. I presume you were working to EU Regs? If so you should not have paid that fine as they robbed you.
waddy640:
If the rules, as published by VOSA, were clear about what can and cant be done in any given period, then there would be far less confusion. Rest periods are defined as what must be taken within a 24 hour period, but driving is less definitive.
Article 4 (k) ‘daily driving time’ means the total accumulated driving time between the end of one daily rest period and the beginning of the following daily rest period or between a daily rest period and a weekly rest period; Article 6 1. The daily driving time shall not exceed nine hours. However, the daily driving time may be extended to at most 10 hours not more than twice during the week.
What’s not clear or definitive about that? The problem is most people only read Article 6 and skip all of Article 4, which is very important as it defines all the terms used in the regulations. Article 6 on it’s own could be said to not be completely clear but when you read it with Article 4 and find the definition of daily driving time it couldn’t be clearer.
waddy640:
It is like most things done by the government.
