I proffer 4 long days to 5 shorter one’s ! a weekly total limit would be more effective.
on the run:
I proffer 4 long days to 5 shorter one’s ! a weekly total limit would be more effective.
We was supposed to get one, then POA was invented.
Stop complaining, I’ve done 2x 15.5 hour days in the last 3 weeks!
its absolutely true that one human being needs a minimum 8 hrs nod to be safe to drive, and the next May only need 4 to be fine.
if I’m night outing 9 hrs rest is more than enough. but if I work 15 hrs and have an hours travel each way, want to spend a couple of hours with the family before I go to bed, and have to get up an hour before leaving to go to work? I did this for a while, and in practice I was getting around 3 hrs sleep a night. I did this sometimes 3 days, sometimes all week and I was not safe to drive. I was often dozing at the wheel 
how can that possibly be safe?
I was an accident waiting to happen. luckily it never did, motorways are the worst, tired driver + motorway hypnosis = potential catastrophe.
but as pointed out, if you are unsafe to drive and refuse, there is a dole queue a mile long waiting to step in
switchlogic:
Its just another example of bad law. This whole fitting into 24 hours is pointless. I say keep the 15 but if you do on you must have 11 rest. If you want to do 9 hours rest work a max of 13. Its so very stupid that you get less rest for working a longer day.
Im surprised you have that on view it but i also share it word for word.
Saaamon:
switchlogic:
Its just another example of bad law. This whole fitting into 24 hours is pointless. I say keep the 15 but if you do on you must have 11 rest. If you want to do 9 hours rest work a max of 13. Its so very stupid that you get less rest for working a longer day.Im surprised you have that on view it but i also share it word for word.
Why surprised?
If the max hours AT WORK per week was limited to 48 as it should have been, then not only would drivers have to be paid more to cover all the extra shifts vacant, that more full time drivers would be needed as soon as the next economic recovery starts in earnest.
Drivers on the dole queue? Where are they then? Sounds like another conspiracy like “There’s so many drivers wanting full time jobs that they’ll all run bent doing 84 hour weeks for £6.25 per hour”
Yeh sure baz, and it’s got nobs on too I bet!
If you work for an agency, you’re not in full time employment, but you’re not on the dole either.
There’s not a lot of work around for the rest of this month in some areas for instance, but that’s what your holiday pot is for. 
Hi,
I have applied to HM government for an e-petition to be set up, it will take around seven days, if application is successful, so as soon as i know anymore, i will let you know, the industry needs to wake up to this because kids dont want to do this job and these hours/rules etc are one of the causes, so in the long run they are cutting there own throats. Sitting at a desk for 15 hours (not that they do) and making a typing error on a computer is not going to harm anyone, fall asleep at the wheel of an artic on the M1 its a different story .
switchlogic:
Its just another example of bad law. This whole fitting into 24 hours is pointless. I say keep the 15 but if you do on you must have 11 rest. If you want to do 9 hours rest work a max of 13. Its so very stupid that you get less rest for working a longer day.
I totally agree, More work and less rest. Who the [zb] thought that one up?
There should be 2 sets of rules. One for trampers and one for day/night drivers.
A tramper finishes his shift and he’s in his abode, So he’s free to do what he likes.
A day driver finishes his shift, Then drives home for an hour, Then drives back in for an hour the following day. and that’s all classed as rest, Crackers.
ROG:
Fileep:
eddie snax:
overworked/underpaid:
Is it not time the 15 hour rule should be changed to 12 hours,as more and more companies are planning 15 hour work loads every day, Tesco and many others, by the time you have done 15 hours work plus travel to and from work had a shower and something to eat, you are around the 17+ hours mark before you hit the sack, surely this is wrong!, is it not time we did something about this like a e-petition or something, is 12 hours not enough!The answer is to ban 9 hour breaks at base, then a driver not doig a night out can only work 13 hours
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I would like to see similar but not exactly that …
… an extra rule that states a driver must have a minimum 11 hours OFF if at base within a 26 hour period
All trying to hit the same target, basicly, 9 hours off at base doesnt allow enough time for commuting eating washing and sleeping.
But I prefer my rule its simpler 
PS. I wouldnt support anything that amends 15 hour day when on a night out.I as with many trampers like the availability to extend my day or reduce my break, and I dont want a 48 hour week either
overworked/underpaid:
Is it not time the 15 hour rule should be changed to 12 hours,as more and more companies are planning 15 hour work loads every day, Tesco and many others, by the time you have done 15 hours work plus travel to and from work had a shower and something to eat, you are around the 17+ hours mark before you hit the sack, surely this is wrong!, is it not time we did something about this like a e-petition or something, is 12 hours not enough!
I agree.
When i have done a 14 hour day i get home and eat and when i go to bed i only have had 5-6 hours kip and i am back on the road starting a new day. Not enough time out from the job
Muckaway:
Stop complaining, I’ve done 2x 15.5 hour days in the last 3 weeks!
Max is 15hr in your reduced rests so you have gone illegal. Don’t get me wrong people are being a bit OTT as without the longer days I wouldn’t be able to do my work as I have to get back and load for the next day. My shortest days are 9hrs and that’s rare. But mainly bang on 12-13hrs a day and some 15hr days with a flat rate per hour no matter how many hours.
■■■■■■■ annoying as I mainly get 5-6hr sleep a night, after a long break you start feeling it
Some have it so easy 
Just wondering can anyone clarify the position on total weekly working hours…
My understanding is you can work a maximum average of 48 hour working week over a reference period of 17 weeks and maximum in any given week of 60 hours. Is that correct?
Also if so what would be the implications if stopped of exceeding the 60 hours working week??
KeepHerLitV8:
Just wondering can anyone clarify the position on total weekly working hours…My understanding is you can work a maximum average of 48 hour working week over a reference period of 17 weeks and maximum in any given week of 60 hours. Is that correct?
Also if so what would be the implications if stopped of exceeding the 60 hours working week??
Yes that is correct but not including breaks (I think) and you have to compensate for a 60hr week
KeepHerLitV8:
Just wondering can anyone clarify the position on total weekly working hours…My understanding is you can work a maximum average of 48 hour working week over a reference period of 17 weeks and maximum in any given week of 60 hours. Is that correct?
Also if so what would be the implications if stopped of exceeding the 60 hours working week??
If working for a company that bothers about it then probably a warning and a company RTD infringement
I remember them rumors too winseer, they started about the next eu lot soon to come, was it Romania/bulgaria? I forget?
you are right about working agency, its a kind of limbo between the dole and employed. its a regional thing more than anything else, one area has a massive queue of out of work drivers, the next postcode virtually none. in practice most places won’t give you the push for refusing hours, but if you were to consistently do it? maybe? depends on the tm’s, some good uns some bad uns. if the economy carries on the way it is things will get tougher
I agree with you that the 48 hour rule could have been way better.
sadly we don’t have any say in what laws are passed. it would work so much better if we did
remember before the rule change about reducing weekly rests being different depending on whether you were at base or away? the same should have gone for daily rests, only 9 hrs if away from base. maybe removing the need for compensation for daily rests was a move in the wrong direction.
the whole system could do with an overhaul. but we only drive, we don’t get to make those decisions. if we had some input from the people doing the job… as it stands we are tied by a ridiculous amount of rules for when we can work and when we can’t. then when someone makes a mistake too often, Mr vosa comes along with his tube of lube and its the poor sod at the wheel who suffers.
my boss is sound, but I have worked for some ■■■■■■■■ and some route planners who take the ■■■■ “the computer says…”
Pansie Division:
KeepHerLitV8:
Just wondering can anyone clarify the position on total weekly working hours…My understanding is you can work a maximum average of 48 hour working week over a reference period of 17 weeks and maximum in any given week of 60 hours. Is that correct?
Also if so what would be the implications if stopped of exceeding the 60 hours working week??
Yes that is correct but not including breaks (I think) and you have to compensate for a 60hr week
Ah so does that mean POA and 45 minute breaks don’t count as working hours? I thought it was from start of shift to end of shift on the tacho??
ROG:
KeepHerLitV8:
Just wondering can anyone clarify the position on total weekly working hours…My understanding is you can work a maximum average of 48 hour working week over a reference period of 17 weeks and maximum in any given week of 60 hours. Is that correct?
Also if so what would be the implications if stopped of exceeding the 60 hours working week??
If working for a company that bothers about it then probably a warning and a company RTD infringement
What about VOSA stopping you? Any fines etc for exceeding the working week max… Say for exceeding and doing a 62 to 66 hour week?
switchlogic:
Saaamon:
switchlogic:
Its just another example of bad law. This whole fitting into 24 hours is pointless. I say keep the 15 but if you do on you must have 11 rest. If you want to do 9 hours rest work a max of 13. Its so very stupid that you get less rest for working a longer day.Im surprised you have that on view it but i also share it word for word.
Why surprised?
Not sure really, just see you being quite happy working 24hrs a day.
KeepHerLitV8:
Ah so does that mean POA and 45 minute breaks don’t count as working hours? I thought it was from start of shift to end of shift on the tacho??
First bit correct
Only driving and other work count as working time for RTD