Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
It is not that we do not need to learn, as has been said ad-nauseum on here. It is that the tin pot dictators think we should pay for a card in which we need not actually learn anything. There is no test, there is just attendance. It is bogus and foolish.
As a point of interest, as well, those of us that have done this job for 20 years or more would, I suspect, already be pretty good at learning. So tell me, saamon, what do you actually anticipate you will get from this ■■■■■■■■?
Well my post certainly got the conversion flowing lol. I’m just trying to say some people should have more of an open mind about it, i understand that most of it is simple ■■■ but perharps this regular training can improve the image of the job, there for people/employers will see it more as a professional job and maybe just maybe wages could start to rise.
I do feel for those people who have to pay for it out of there own money though and can totally understand why their annoied by it.
SNICKER:
For me its a bit worse as I intend to move to France in the next couple of years and the UK DCPC is not worth the paper its printed on outside the UK!
If this is EU requirement why do I need a French DCPC to work for a French company if I have a uk one■■?
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 July 2003 Article 10
The driver qualification card issued by Member States shall be mutually recognised.
Offence of driving without a CPC
10.–(1) A person who does not comply with regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who causes or permits another person to drive a relevant vehicle on a road in breach of regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this regulation shall be liable upon summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale
I am certainly nowhere near an expert on UK regulation (law) but I would say that PERSON in (1) refers to the DRIVER and that PERSON in (2) refers to the OPERATOR of the vehicle
Did i see you in a 6wheeler rigid at, Ridgeons, Saffron Walden, Essex? I see a number plate with ROG on it in the windscreen.
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 July 2003 Article 10
The driver qualification card issued by Member States shall be mutually recognised.
You try getting a job for a french company with a UK DCPC
I was told by a DCPC trainer that it entitles you to drive a UK based wagon in any EU state but if you want a job for a company based out side the UK then you need to take one in the country that the wagon is based.
Just goes to show that even the trainers hav’nt got a clue!
Wrong, on both occasions. Your CPC card must have the same country as your license has on. So if you have a UK license you must have a UK CPC card.
However if you have a valid UK CPC card and UK license, and you swap it over for a let say: French license, the French authorities need to give you a French CPC card for the reminder of the validity of your UK CPC card.
Both the CPC and your license must have been supplied in the same country. So a French company can let you work with a UK license and a UK CPC card, you can keep your UK license as long as you still live in the UK, as soon as you move to another country you have only restricted time to change your HGV license over.
I wonder what happen if you have a Dutch HGV license with Code 95 and you’re born before 1955.
By Dutch law your CPC is valid till your HGV license expires (age 65), if you swap it for a UK one would they give you the entitlement as by the Dutch law, or would you lose it??
Well this DCPC will be a reason for those unemployed drivers not to return to driving as they won’t be in any position to fund this nonsense from europe , & i doubt there is gonna be any government funding,available and that coupled with the lack of companies funding it for drivers, what chance do they have?
The whole Dcpc is a tax on our jobs!!! That’s it!! Nothing else!!
“Great Britain” as usual ■■■■■ this crap up like all the rest of these Euro rules and then
Finds a way to “Tax” it’s “Essential” workforce and ruin the country at the same time!! All in the name
of “Green issues” total bollox and they know it
Nothing is going to happen until the British people get a referendum about membership of the EU!!
We are either in it or out!! Which do you think Britain will choose?
caledoniandream:
Wrong, on both occasions. Your CPC card must have the same country as your license has on. So if you have a UK license you must have a UK CPC card.
However if you have a valid UK CPC card and UK license, and you swap it over for a let say: French license, the French authorities need to give you a French CPC card for the reminder of the validity of your UK CPC card.
Both the CPC and your license must have been supplied in the same country. So a French company can let you work with a UK license and a UK CPC card, you can keep your UK license as long as you still live in the UK, as soon as you move to another country you have only restricted time to change your HGV license over.
I have just quoted you the current legal info and yet you say otherwise so please can you post the links to where you got your info
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 July 2003 Article 10
The driver qualification card issued by Member States shall be mutually recognised.
You try getting a job for a french company with a UK DCPC
I was told by a DCPC trainer that it entitles you to drive a UK based wagon in any EU state but if you want a job for a company based out side the UK then you need to take one in the country that the wagon is based.
I think your trainer is correct, you would not get a job with a French transport company without FIMO and FCOS regardless of a DCPC or not.
Just goes to show that even the trainers hav’nt got a clue!
Offence of driving without a CPC
10.–(1) A person who does not comply with regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who causes or permits another person to drive a relevant vehicle on a road in breach of regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this regulation shall be liable upon summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale
I am certainly nowhere near an expert on UK regulation (law) but I would say that PERSON in (1) refers to the DRIVER and that PERSON in (2) refers to the OPERATOR of the vehicle
Hmm. Its certain that a drivers needs it in order to keep his licence. Its rather ambiguous who needs to provide 'work related training ’ though, although by definition i would of thought your ‘work’ (read employer) would do this. I thought it might be close to what DD knows about. Scenario…Shell (or whoever) tanker drivers needs his ADR for his job. When it expires i assume that Shell pay for the drivers training. If so why? What would happen if Shell never provided and paid for this renewal?
caledoniandream:
Wrong, on both occasions. Your CPC card must have the same country as your license has on. So if you have a UK license you must have a UK CPC card.
However if you have a valid UK CPC card and UK license, and you swap it over for a let say: French license, the French authorities need to give you a French CPC card for the reminder of the validity of your UK CPC card.
Both the CPC and your license must have been supplied in the same country. So a French company can let you work with a UK license and a UK CPC card, you can keep your UK license as long as you still live in the UK, as soon as you move to another country you have only restricted time to change your HGV license over.
I have just quoted you the current legal info and yet you say otherwise so please can you post the links to where you got your info
Best i can see is this… Article 9 Place of training Drivers referred to in Article 1(a) shall obtain the initial qualification referred to in Article 5 in the Member State in which they have their normal residence, as defined in Article 14 of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85(9). Drivers referred to in Article 1(b) shall obtain that qualification in the Member State in which the undertaking is established or in the Member State which issued a work permit to them. Drivers referred to in Article 1(a) and 1(b) shall undergo the periodic training referred to in Article 7 in the Member State in which they have their normal residence or the Member State in which they work.
Offence of driving without a CPC
10.–(1) A person who does not comply with regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who causes or permits another person to drive a relevant vehicle on a road in breach of regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this regulation shall be liable upon summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale
I am certainly nowhere near an expert on UK regulation (law) but I would say that PERSON in (1) refers to the DRIVER and that PERSON in (2) refers to the OPERATOR of the vehicle
Hmm. Its certain that a drivers needs it in order to keep his licence. Its rather ambiguous who needs to provide 'work related training ’ though, although by definition i would of thought your ‘work’ (read employer) would do this. I thought it might be close to what DD knows about. Scenario…Shell (or whoever) tanker drivers needs his ADR for his job. When it expires i assume that Shell pay for the drivers training. If so why? What would happen if Shell never provided and paid for this renewal?
An operator must supply sufficient wax discs to allow a driver to do his job, yet how many drivers paid for their own digi card Mike?
Mike-C:
Best i can see is this… Article 9 Place of training Drivers referred to in Article 1(a) shall obtain the initial qualification referred to in Article 5 in the Member State in which they have their normal residence, as defined in Article 14 of Regulation (EEC) No 3821/85(9). Drivers referred to in Article 1(b) shall obtain that qualification in the Member State in which the undertaking is established or in the Member State which issued a work permit to them. Drivers referred to in Article 1(a) and 1(b) shall undergo the periodic training referred to in Article 7 in the Member State in which they have their normal residence or the Member State in which they work.
That is the current directive
You have posted a relevant bit to the periodic in that all the 35 hours must be done in one EU state and the 35 hours cannot be split between states
Thje DQC on the other hand is valid in all member states no matter in which state is was gained
dinosteveus1:
I paid for my DCPC myself, ADR gave me 21 hours (I think it’s more now) and you can also get hours for doing HIAB.
Anyway, it didn’t make me a better driver, experience makes you better. It still takes me bloody ages to reverse into a ‘slot’.
i got the same last year when i took my ADR course,i only need 14 hours now to get my DCPC,can leave it a while & do it when i want,as i’m self employed as a LTD company so i can put it through my company so it’s not costing me anything.shouldn’t be any different for other self employed people on here as you’d get it put through your books by your accountant so just pay a bt less tax.
Hi, I can sympathise with Snickers, I live in France and they are screaming out for class 1 drivers, there are not enough, but you try and get a job with a French company, no chance, for a start, I have been driving for 34 years and have my DCPC by aquired rights, as is everyone who was driving before Sept 2009, but the French do not recognise this, also they are still asking for the FIMO or FCOS qualification, being French, they still havn’t adopted EU rulings as they are French and do what the ■■■■ they like, it’s only Britain thats panders to all the EU ■■■■■■■■, not many of the other european countries do.
sapper:
Hi, I can sympathise with Snickers, I live in France and they are screaming out for class 1 drivers, there are not enough, but you try and get a job with a French company, no chance, for a start, I have been driving for 34 years and have my DCPC by aquired rights, as is everyone who was driving before Sept 2009, but the French do not recognise this, also they are still asking for the FIMO or FCOS qualification, being French, they still havn’t adopted EU rulings as they are French and do what the [zb] they like, it’s only Britain thats panders to all the EU [zb], not many of the other european countries do.
Sapper
I imagine by 2014 we will be overrun by new FIMO / FCOS equipped French 18 year olds who have spent 35 hours practising Gallic shrugs
caledoniandream:
Just this afternoon I got some interesting information about the DCPC, or as called in the rest of Europe “Code 95”
…, my college in Holland in his function as Manager of the Trainings department, pointed out to me that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955, didn’t need a DCPC and would get the “Code 95” on their license for as long as their license was valid.
= Special Circumstances, that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955 are excepted from the rule to do Initial training and periodic training for the DCPC.
Does Dutch law have any age limits for their LGV drivers and if yes, what are they?
2014 is when this dcpc, comes into force, that same year i’m 45, i will have the expense of a medical,and a day off to have the medical, license renewal, and then i will have to take a week off, unpaid, unless its taken as my holiday, and i will have to pay for this so called training, completely pointless, seriously considering packing it in, in 2014
caledoniandream:
Just this afternoon I got some interesting information about the DCPC, or as called in the rest of Europe “Code 95”
…, my college in Holland in his function as Manager of the Trainings department, pointed out to me that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955, didn’t need a DCPC and would get the “Code 95” on their license for as long as their license was valid.
= Special Circumstances, that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955 are excepted from the rule to do Initial training and periodic training for the DCPC.
Does Dutch law have any age limits for their LGV drivers and if yes, what are they?
No they don,t but after you reach 60, you must have a medical (not from your GP) every 5 year.
Every LGV driver in the Netherlands must have a medical every time he needs to renew his license, from 2013 onwards is that gone be every 5 years (as per EEC directive) regardless your age.
Out experience do I know that it is very rare to have a LGV license after you turned 70, medicals are very difficult to pass, they check properly on eyes, blood samples, condition (treadmill) hearing etc. if they are not sure they send you to a specialist.
