Just this afternoon I got some interesting information about the DCPC, or as called in the rest of Europe “Code 95”
As I’m working for a UK daughter company of a Dutch parent company as a T.M., I come sometimes across some interesting information.
I’m preparing at this moment a Business case for the funding of the DCPC for our UK drivers, my college in Holland in his function as Manager of the Trainings department, pointed out to me that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955, didn’t need a DCPC and would get the “Code 95” on their license for as long as their license was valid.
I couldn’t believe this, so I checked the European Directive 2003/59/EC, and couldn’t find anything like that in the text.
My college send me than the following link cbr.nl/brochure/CBRCCVWEB002.pdf
this is an publication from the CBR (Centraal Bureau rijvaardigheidsbewijzen = the Dutch DVLA)
and the CCV, who is in charge of the examination of driver licences.
On the Bottom of page 3 states clearly under the header: “ Bijzondere Situaties” = Special Circumstances, that drivers born before the 1st of July 1955 are excepted from the rule to do Initial training and periodic training for the DCPC.
As we are all in the EEC, and all follow the rules, how could it be that one country has a different interpretation as another country of the same rule?
Why is the British Government not following this example?
The Dutch argument is, that drivers born before 1955 are experienced enough, this would make the same for British drivers?
However I’m not against compulsory training, but in 1 Europe, it should be one measurement.
Would it be worth for people affected to get a case going at the European Court in Luxembourg on ground of discrimination?
Strange, this Brussels making the rules and everybody does it still his own way.
But I must say, general spoken: The Dutch live WITH the rules, and the British live BY the rules, this makes it very difficult to introduce common sense!!!
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
Saaamon:
… at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
Hi Saaamon,
WADR mate, not everybody is in the same boat.
The UK law on DCPC makes it the driver’s responsibility to get their 35hrs training sorted, so I’d just point out that there are some drivers who won’t be getting any assistance from their employers.
diesel dave how many hrs is the adr worth for this cpc crap? did mine last year and have forgot!
tried to do something usefull with training time also did hi ab remote ticket as well just need a few hrs now
toward the 2014 deadline
s/e o/d fitter/welder so pay for myself
thanks moose
Saaamon:
… at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
Hi Saaamon,
WADR mate, not everybody is in the same boat.
The UK law on DCPC makes it the driver’s responsibility to get their 35hrs training sorted, so I’d just point out that there are some drivers who won’t be getting any assistance from their employers.
In that case, for drivers in that postion i can understand why they’d be annoied. What i said wasn’t an attack on anyone, i just feel that its not the be all and end all that its sometimes made out to be.
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
I have no problem with training, nobody is perfect. I will even pay for ny own if it is A valuable addition to my skills. This DOC is A worthless exercise. It matters not if you learn anything, you simply need to attend, fall asleep for 7 hours x5 and you have got it. Would you stop a doctor from practising became he did not take a first aid course?
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
I have no problem with training, nobody is perfect. I will even pay for ny own if it is A valuable addition to my skills. This DOC is A worthless exercise. It matters not if you learn anything, you simply need to attend, fall asleep for 7 hours x5 and you have got it. Would you stop a doctor from practising became he did not take a first aid course?
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Same as this. It’s nothing more than a tick box exercise.
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
i work for a agency,i have to take time of work so no pay and then pay for my dcpc,if i don’t do it im at bottom of list for work but get no more pay when i have it.
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
i work for a agency,i have to take time of work so no pay and then pay for my dcpc,if i don’t do it im at bottom of list for work but get no more pay when i have it.
And you won’t have learned anything you don’t already know, most likely!
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
i work for a agency,i have to take time of work so no pay and then pay for my dcpc,if i don’t do it im at bottom of list for work but get no more pay when i have it.
Ditto mac12
For me its a bit worse as I intend to move to France in the next couple of years and the UK DCPC is not worth the paper its printed on outside the UK!
If this is EU requirement why do I need a French DCPC to work for a French company if I have a uk one■■?
So what about the Bike, Car and Van drivers and not forgetting the push bikers who on many occasions run red lights etc
Loads of them Seriously need a competence course, teach them how drive
I agree with continued training to keep on top of the law and regulations, but it should be EVERY driver of what ever type of vehicle should be made to do
Again, I am a agency driver, Will have to pay for it my self, loose a weeks pay on top of the CPC course, more expense that agency now doesn’t account for in the rates
Come 2014, I predict will be a Agency driver shortfall, and a massive demand for courses
I paid for my DCPC myself, ADR gave me 21 hours (I think it’s more now) and you can also get hours for doing HIAB.
Anyway, it didn’t make me a better driver, experience makes you better. It still takes me bloody ages to reverse into a ‘slot’.
SNICKER:
For me its a bit worse as I intend to move to France in the next couple of years and the UK DCPC is not worth the paper its printed on outside the UK!
If this is EU requirement why do I need a French DCPC to work for a French company if I have a uk one■■?
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 July 2003 Article 10
The driver qualification card issued by Member States shall be mutually recognised.
Offence of driving without a CPC
10.–(1) A person who does not comply with regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(2) A person who causes or permits another person to drive a relevant vehicle on a road in breach of regulation 4(1) or 9(1) is guilty of an offence.
(3) A person guilty of an offence under this regulation shall be liable upon summary conviction to a fine not exceeding level 3 on the standard scale
I am certainly nowhere near an expert on UK regulation (law) but I would say that PERSON in (1) refers to the DRIVER and that PERSON in (2) refers to the OPERATOR of the vehicle
Saaamon:
I don’t see the big deal with the dcpc, those drivers who think they’ve learn’t all there is to know, should call it a day as there a danger to themselves and every other road user. I’m a bit sick of hearing people constantly moan about spending one day out of 365 days doing abit of training thats there to help them, at the end of the day its another paid day at work!
It is not that we do not need to learn, as has been said ad-nauseum on here. It is that the tin pot dictators think we should pay for a card in which we need not actually learn anything. There is no test, there is just attendance. It is bogus and foolish.
As a point of interest, as well, those of us that have done this job for 20 years or more would, I suspect, already be pretty good at learning. So tell me, saamon, what do you actually anticipate you will get from this ■■■■■■■■?
DIRECTIVE 2003/59/EC OF THE EUROPEAN PARLIAMENT AND OF THE COUNCIL of 15 July 2003 Article 10
The driver qualification card issued by Member States shall be mutually recognised.
You try getting a job for a french company with a UK DCPC
I was told by a DCPC trainer that it entitles you to drive a UK based wagon in any EU state but if you want a job for a company based out side the UK then you need to take one in the country that the wagon is based.
Just goes to show that even the trainers hav’nt got a clue!
