Renewing categories

acd1202:
Oh yes you do, 100% certain after having had to do some very quick form filling just a few weeks ago after having fallen foul of this believing as you do, then my car insurer asking if I realised I don’t have either a licence or therefore insurance. A call to Swansea confirmed that they were correct. Your licence expires on the date shown in 4b, the end.

You’ve just contradicted yourself then. Because the op didn’t say his 4b was expiring, only his CE.

No I haven’t, he didn’t need to say. The expiry date in 4b is always the same as the first category expiry date. Therefore if the OPs ce is coming up for renewal his 4b date is also expiring.
Many, including me until recently believed that as long as the category for the vehicles you are driving is in date you have a valid licence. It isn’t, every time any category expires your licence must be renewed.

Ok thanks! Agreed now after looking at mine.[emoji23]
So if I want to let my ce lapse in 5 years I can renew my license but won’t need a new photo yet.