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Tilling-Stevens Successor - Duple Motorcoach And The LGOC - Duple Motorcoach .

Mk.IV:
From my earlier post about the very advanced 1937 Tilling-Stevens “Successor”, here is a photo of the stylish Duple body made for that advanced concept vehicle.

I am unsure if the following is correct, but was told the Duple body was later removed from the “Successor”, modified and installed on a Leyland chassis. This is apparently a photo of that (modified) body on a Leyland.

In 1937 TSM = Tilling-Stevens Motors created a sensation at the 1937 Commercial Vehicle Motor Show at Earls Court,London,with the advanced Tilling-Stevens Successor - Duple

Motorcoach,with its streamlined full-fronted body,7.45-litre,flat,horizontally opposed,8-cylinder,95-BHP diesel-oil engine,German-built 7-speed Maybach gearbox,coil-spring-based

independent rear suspension for the rear two axles only and 6x2 pusher axle configuration.

According to reports,this motorcoach never ran under its own power and the engine’s crankcase was a wooden mock-up. What happened to the chassis is a mystery,but the Duple

motorcoach body survived…QV below.

Tilling-Stevens -TSM = Tilling Stevens Motors.Tilling-Stevens Successor,Duple C44C,6x2-Pusher Axle,Motorcoach advertisement,Bus & Motorcoach,December 1937.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Old Bus Photos.3#

.Tilling-Stevens -TSM = Tilling Stevens Motors.Tilling-Stevens Successor,Duple C44C,6x2-Pusher Axle,Motorcoach advertisement,Bus & Motorcoach,December 1937.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Old Bus Photos.3#.jpg

Builders Of London’s Buses was the proud and prestigious slogan of the Associated Equipment Company = AEC - they also built London’s motorcoaches and trolleybuses! :exclamation: :slight_smile: In other

words,AEC built the vast majority of new passenger road vehicles for London,but Leyland also supplied a good number and the London General Omnibus Company built a handful:-

LGOC = London General Omnibus Company CB,Meadows Petrol-Engined,LGOC B30F,Single Decker Omnibuses,T1000-2.1931TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Ian Smith.3#

.LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CB,Meadows Petrol-Engined,LGOC B30F,Single Decker Omnibuses,T1000-2.1931TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Ian Smith.3#.gif
Three of these were built,and were re-engined with AEC petrol engines in 1933.They remained in service in to 1938,stored in to 1940,sold to Henry Lane,London,in 1940,sold again in

September 1940 to Valliant Motorcoaches,London. GT 7446 and GT 7477 ended up in service with the War Department from 1941 and were both bought by North,Derby,in 1946.

GO 7153 was sold to Fountain,London,in February 1948.

Fleet numbers,registrations and year of entering service:-
T1000, GO 7153 7-1931.
T1001, GT 7446 11-1931
T1002, GT 7477 12-1931.

Question:What has the above LGOC CB’s got to do with the main story in this post? :question: Nothing! :exclamation: :slight_smile: The CB’s and the CC’s were related to each other by design,but that is as far as it goes :slight_smile:

I’m just writing the CB’s details for the sake of completeness,history and interest :slight_smile:

LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,Meadows Petrol-Engined,LGOC H54R,6x4,Double Decker Omnibuses,LT1000,1051,1202,1203.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Ian Smith.3#

.LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,Meadows Petrol-Engined,LGOC H54R,6x4,Double Decker Omnibuses,LT1000,1051,1202,1203.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Ian Smith.3#.gif

Four of the above CC double-decker omnibuses were built,and were re-engined with AEC engines in 1933.They were fitted with AEC 100mm,6.1-Litre petrol engines and AEC gearboxes

in 1938.They were all withdrawn in 1939.NOTE: LT1051 was fitted with a Gardner 5LW diesel oil engine in 1932,then was fitted with an AEC 110mm petrol engine in 1933.

Fleet numbers,registrations and year of entering service:_

LT1000 GF 7254 7-1930.
LT1051 GK 3003 9-1930.
LT1202 GT 5099 10-1931.
LT1203 GT 5153 11-1931.

All of the above CC’s were withdrawn in 1939.

NOTE: I’ve saved the subsequent history of LT1000 till last :slight_smile:

LT1051 Was sold to Coulson & Company,Park Royal,London,in late 1939.

LT1202 Was bought by the BBC for Edgware-Elstree staff bus service,8-1939.
12-1946 Bought by A.H.Kearsey Ltd, Cheltenham.
10-1950 At Birds Commercial Motors, Stratford-upon-Avon.
4-1961 Derelict chassis still at Birds.

LT1203 Was bought by the BBC for Edgware-Elstree staff bus service,8-1939.
1947 Bought by Billy Smart’s Circus.
1948 With Billy Smarts Circus.
1950 At Birds Commercial Motors, Stratford-upon-Avon.

LT1000 - I’ve saved the most interesting history,and the main reason for this post,till last! :exclamation: :smiley:

1939 Was bought by Pickfords Removals: top deck partly removed.
1946 Chassis bought by Fountain Motorcoaches, Twickenham.
Re-built as single-decker motorcoach: 34-seat Duple motorcoach body.
1949 Was bought by White Heather, Southsea.
9-1954 In service with White Heather Motorcoaches.
6-1957 Withdrawn.
Caravan, Bosham.
4-1961 Scrapped.
Courtesy:Ian Smith.

So in other words,the Duple motorcoach body of the Tilling-Stevens Successor Motorcoach was modified and transferred on to the LGOC CC 6x4 Chassis and became a

magnificent motorcoach! :exclamation: :smiley: QV photographs below:-

Tilling-Stevens -TSM = Tilling Stevens Motors.Tilling-Stevens Successor,7.45-Litre,Horizontally Opposed 8-Cylinder,95 BHP,Diesel Oil-Engined, Duple C44C,6x2-Pusher Axle,Motorcoach,1937.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.3#

Tilling-Stevens -TSM = Tilling Stevens Motors.Tilling-Stevens Successor,Duple C44C,6x2-Pusher Axle,Motorcoach.Rear nearside view.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Old Bus Photos.6#

.Tilling-Stevens -TSM = Tilling Stevens Motors.Tilling-Stevens Successor,Duple C44C,6x2-Pusher Axle,Motorcoach.Rear nearside view.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.Old Bus Photos.6#.jpg

LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,Front AEC 6.1 Litre,100mm,Petrol-Engined,Duple FC34C,6x4,Motorcoach,LT1000,GF 7254,London,1930,White Heather,Southsea.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.STA-R.N.Hannay.3#

.LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,Front AEC 6.1 Litre,100mm,Petrol-Engined,Duple FC34C,6x4,Motorcoach,LT1000,GF 7254,London,1930,White Heather,Southsea.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.STA-R.N.Hannay.3#.jpg

LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,AEC 6.1 Litre,100mm,Petrol-Engined,Duple FC34C,6x4,Motorcoach,L1000,GF 7254,London,1930,White Heather,Southsea.Front engine.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.D.A.Jones-Old Bus Photos.3#

.LGOC=London General Omnibus Company CC,AEC 6.1 Litre,100mm,Petrol-Engined,Duple FC34C,6x4,Motorcoach,L1000,GF 7254,London,1930,White Heather,Southsea.Front engine.TNUK,OTL,Commer TS3 E.2.1-2022.D.A.Jones-Old Bus Photos.3#.jpg

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