the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
I’d rather trust moderate Assad than the Saudi head chopping savages or for that matter our Turkish NATO ‘allies’.
Which leaves the question what do Assad and Putin see in common with Iran who are as bad as the Saudi Islamic loons. 
When realistically the logical way forward would be for Putin and Assad and Trump to all ally against Iran and Saudi to destroy Islamic extremism.At which point Turkey would show its true colours.In which case why would Israel also not see such a solution as being in its interests.
While what we’ve got now is effectively Saudi and Iran playing off Russia v the West,with China acting behind the scenes as zb stirring ring leaders and Israel having lost the plot in seeming to want to take the side of the Saudis v Assad.It’s an unbelievable cluster zb of epic proportions. 
Nothing changes. Before WWII Chamberlain thought he did his best avoiding a war, by talking to Mr Hitler, and allowing him into the beginning g of WWII. Then you got Churchill, who was good on retoric, if short on actual cloud. Churchill hated Stalin and the communists, but agreed to split and sell the Polish allies, because he knew that without either the USA or Russia, Britain (and to be fair the rest of Europe) was [zb]. And because America financed WWII, that’s who we followed…
War is about money.
Firstly Chamberlain has been criminally misrepresented.In that ironically he applied exactly what was needed in reversing Churchill’s defence spending cuts and preparing for war with Germany.While at the same time making all the right moral moves to try to avert it and then cleverly fooling Hitler to provide us with the time needed to recover and re arm.
While May and BoJo are acting true to form in following in Churchill’s footsteps. In sabre rattling from a position of weakness and wanting to get involved in a fight at the wrong time in the wrong place and on the enemy’s terms without at least first confirming the status of our so called ‘independent’ nuclear deterrent.Which it’s clear that Putin doesn’t believe exists just as I don’t.IE think of it a bit like going for Hitler in 1938 over the Sudetenland issue.That would have worked out well for us.Also bearing in mind that I see Assad’s ridiculous alliance with Iran as being even less credible to that of Italy and Hitler.
As for war being all about money.By that logic Switzerland and Sweden would be the poorest countries in Europe.Let alone if Hitler had the V2 and nuclear warheads in 1939.Also bearing in mind that Germany obviously ended up with the best financial post war deal not America’s allies.Also bearing in mind that the US was actually neutral during a significant part of WW1 and 2. 
It’s fair to say that May and BoJo and Macron and whoever is masquerading as Trump,true to form are acting like bleedin idiots regarding this issue.In that we’ve got no evidence that Putin is any direct threat to us at this time and we don’t pose enough of a threat to deter the Chinese/Russian/North Korean/Asian axis because they ( probably rightly ) see weakness in our commitment or even ability to assure their destruction at this time,anyway.
Just as Churchill and his French cronies acted like idiots in needlessly dragging us into WW1 against Germany when we had no reason to fight them either.Also don’t think that UK and France came out of WW1 richer than they went into it.Let alone if we’re talking about the devastation of a strategic nuclear attack on us in this case and let alone again no guarantee of us being able to meet that threat in kind as shown by May’s non existent reply to Putin’s clear nuclear threat against her.
When the best way to sort the problem is by following Farage’s and Trump’s original plan of of removing Russia’'s justified grievances v NATO and staying well out of Russia’s foreign interests and what it considers its buffer states.While then following Chamberlain’s example of arming ourselves to the teeth,including our independent nuclear deterrent,to the point where we can at least defend ourselves properly.Also keeping the Islamic savages in their place and not arming them.Which is more or less where things stood between us and Russia and China and the Middle East during the height of the Cold War in the 1960’s and we were all much the safer for it.
While what is certain is that the US has no democratic mandate at home for getting involved in Syria let alone under these probable false flag circumstances.When Trump’s mandate was/is exactly the opposite.
Carryfast:
From Russia’s point of view what have they got to lose by tactical nuke strikes against US naval forces and a simultaneous Strategic nuke strike on the UK followed by an ultimatum to NATO your move.
‘What have they got to lose?’…was that a serious question?
Carryfast:
the nodding donkey:
Carryfast:
I’d rather trust moderate Assad than the Saudi head chopping savages or for that matter our Turkish NATO ‘allies’.
Which leaves the question what do Assad and Putin see in common with Iran who are as bad as the Saudi Islamic loons.
When realistically the logical way forward would be for Putin and Assad and Trump to all ally against Iran and Saudi to destroy Islamic extremism.At which point Turkey would show its true colours.In which case why would Israel also not see such a solution as being in its interests.
While what we’ve got now is effectively Saudi and Iran playing off Russia v the West,with China acting behind the scenes as zb stirring ring leaders and Israel having lost the plot in seeming to want to take the side of the Saudis v Assad.It’s an unbelievable cluster zb of epic proportions.
Nothing changes. Before WWII Chamberlain thought he did his best avoiding a war, by talking to Mr Hitler, and allowing him into the beginning g of WWII. Then you got Churchill, who was good on retoric, if short on actual cloud. Churchill hated Stalin and the communists, but agreed to split and sell the Polish allies, because he knew that without either the USA or Russia, Britain (and to be fair the rest of Europe) was [zb]. And because America financed WWII, that’s who we followed…
War is about money.
Firstly Chamberlain has been criminally misrepresented.In that ironically he applied exactly what was needed in reversing Churchill’s defence spending cuts and preparing for war with Germany.While at the same time making all the right moral moves to try to avert it and then cleverly fooling Hitler to provide us with the time needed to recover and re arm.
While May and BoJo are acting true to form in following in Churchill’s footsteps. In sabre rattling from a position of weakness and wanting to get involved in a fight at the wrong time in the wrong place and on the enemy’s terms without at least first confirming the status of our so called ‘independent’ nuclear deterrent.Which it’s clear that Putin doesn’t believe exists just as I don’t.IE think of it a bit like going for Hitler in 1938 over the Sudetenland issue.That would have worked out well for us.Also bearing in mind that I see Assad’s ridiculous alliance with Iran as being even less credible to that of Italy and Hitler.
As for war being all about money.By that logic Switzerland and Sweden would be the poorest countries in Europe.Let alone if Hitler had the V2 and nuclear warheads in 1939.Also bearing in mind that Germany obviously ended up with the best financial post war deal not America’s allies.Also bearing in mind that the US was actually neutral during a significant part of WW1 and 2.
It’s fair to say that May and BoJo and Macron and whoever is masquerading as Trump,true to form are acting like bleedin idiots regarding this issue.In that we’ve got no evidence that Putin is any direct threat to us at this time and we don’t pose enough of a threat to deter the Chinese/Russian/North Korean/Asian axis because they ( probably rightly ) see weakness in our commitment or even ability to assure their destruction at this time,anyway.
Just as Churchill and his French cronies acted like idiots in needlessly dragging us into WW1 against Germany when we had no reason to fight them either.Also don’t think that UK and France came out of WW1 richer than they went into it.Let alone if we’re talking about the devastation of a strategic nuclear attack on us in this case and let alone again no guarantee of us being able to meet that threat in kind as shown by May’s non existent reply to Putin’s clear nuclear threat against her.
When the best way to sort the problem is by following Farage’s and Trump’s original plan of of removing Russia’'s justified grievances v NATO and staying well out of Russia’s foreign interests and what it considers its buffer states.While then following Chamberlain’s example of arming ourselves to the teeth,including our independent nuclear deterrent,to the point where we can at least defend ourselves properly.Also keeping the Islamic savages in their place and not arming them.Which is more or less where things stood between us and Russia and China and the Middle East during the height of the Cold War in the 1960’s and we were all much the safer for it.
While what is certain is that the US has no democratic mandate at home for getting involved in Syria let alone under these probable false flag circumstances.When Trump’s mandate was/is exactly the opposite.
With you on the Chamberlain misrepresentation he was definitelygiven a poisoned chalice project for such an honourable man but history as we know is written by the victors,Victor Rothschild to be accurate (Churchills handler) and widely suspected as the fifth man among the spying dreamers (see what I did there) of Cambridge spy ring infamy.
War being about money,mineral resources etc,am I right in thinking Iran,N,Korea and Syria don’t have a central bank,ditto Libya,until recently,which puts them outside the banksters fiat ponzi financial control,ie currency pulled from thin air as opposed to backed by gold or silver.Jfk and Lincoln tried to address this,ditto Garfield and Jackson.Libya was a highly evolved egalitarian society before the zio Sh…hawks made their move.
muckles:
Whether you think it’s all a conspiracy or believe the mainstream media reports, have we learned nothing about getting involved in other people’s wars, especially in the Middle East 
funny how we never got involved in stopping that nasty [zb] Mugabe or other leaders who weren’t adverse to mass murder to stay in power.
Little or no oil to speak of? Paymaster Saudi not bankrolling regime change?
Funny how the useful idiots, who named streets in London after confessed terrorist Mandela, are completely ignoring the race/hate based murder of white farmers in South Africa which will accelerate (and endorsed by their new govt who have passed land grab without compensation laws), another once fine country heading the same way as bloody Zimbabwe, now a corrupt cess pit hell when compared to when it was called Rhodesia.
I’ve already posted at length elsewhere as to why those trolling me for being “Anti Left” or “Pro Brexit” one month, have apparently now moved on and troll me for being “Anti May” and “Paranoid about Brexit” by this point?
It’s as if the trolls I thought were momentum operatives - are in fact there to bust up BOTH parties of Left and Right, to keep everyone in that hard and nutty center…
Anyways. Syria.
I’m not convinced by a long shot that Assad would bother gassing a town he was about to capture - think of the risk to his victorious troops, entering the town with all that ■■■■■■ and pillaging to do that… didn’t happen either of course! Locals out celebrating. Verifyable “locals”. Even the most defeated rebels would not be going "Yay! - Hear come the rapists! The rebels, had of course - all been bussed out by this point, having left behind some footage to be found of other places, at other times…
Maybe Trump called off the incoming - because the anti-aircraft vessels had put to sea, making a 0% American casualty rate for any would-be airstrike - impossible.
There wouldn’t be enough missiles alone to do any job - so some aircraft would have been sent out on a sortie or two…
Massive moral victory for Putin if even a single NATO aircraft is shot down. He owes one back after all, for Nato-member Turkey shooting down one of his some months back.
Kids shown with water being squirted in their faces… Either CS gas, or nothing at all - but acting.
Kids shown foaming, blackened, and clearly dead - pics taken at a previous attack, nowhere near the alleged site, and some time ago. Bodies look more like Sarin victims than “Chlorine” which would blanche any bodies, and disperse rapidily in all but the coldest, fog-forming climate.
White Helmet footage is being taken as some kind of Premier TV news channel all of a sudden, when the whole world already knows it’s nothing but the propaganda arm of ISIS…
Let’s get one thing straight - The White Helmets should NOT be recognized as the “Red Cross” or “Red Crescent” of the world’s terrorists, rebels, uprisers, or just plain “area de-stablizers”. They shouldn’t be recognized at all, and their material should be illegal to put on the internet. I thought some laws had already been passed against “Terrorist footage on YouTube” and the like?
Enforce them!
Manalishi - Jolly good post, old boy! 
Juddian:
muckles:
Whether you think it’s all a conspiracy or believe the mainstream media reports, have we learned nothing about getting involved in other people’s wars, especially in the Middle East funny how we never got involved in stopping that nasty [zb] Mugabe or other leaders who weren’t adverse to mass murder to stay in power.
Little or no oil to speak of? Paymaster Saudi not bankrolling regime change?
Funny how the useful idiots, who named streets in London after confessed terrorist Mandela, are completely ignoring the race/hate based murder of white farmers in South Africa which will accelerate (and endorsed by their new govt who have passed land grab without compensation laws), another once fine country heading the same way as bloody Zimbabwe, now a corrupt cess pit hell when compared to when it was called Rhodesia.
I always wondered why we’ve been chasing Russia over “influencing regime change” in Western elections (hardly an exact science, evening proving this?) whilst the Western leaders are expected to line up, and send military support at the drop of a hat - to effect regime change on more Eastern states. History might be “written by the victors” but Evils done - get remembered the most of all. Unless you suffer a cataclysmic defeat which makes the whole world forget you outright, within a generation of that cataclysm. We believe there were such things as Ancient Egyptians, Greeks, Sumarians, etc. But Atlanteans are still considered a myth, despite there being a clear gap between the start of the “tool” age and beginning of the Bronze age.
What DID happen around 9000bc-8000bc?
If “Cataclysms” can happen before - then they can happen again. Man made ones, or natural disasters. It seems easier to believe that a “Cataclysm” is somehow a natural event, and cannot be man-made. This, in turn, is the complete opposite to our belief system built by the centerists around “Enviromental” issues, which has Man Made Climate change as being “Real”, whilst “Natural Climate Change” - is clearly considered “Heresy” by our monied brainaches. 
“History teaches us that mankind learns nothing from History.”
“Those who don’t learn from the past - are doomed to repeat it”.
With you on the Chamberlain misrepresentation he was definitelygiven a poisoned chalice project for such an honourable man but history as we know is written by the victors,Victor Rothschild to be accurate (Churchills handler) and widely suspected as the fifth man among the spying dreamers (see what I did there) of Cambridge spy ring infamy.
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Someone explain to me why Hitler never invaded Switzerland…
Winseer:
With you on the Chamberlain misrepresentation he was definitelygiven a poisoned chalice project for such an honourable man but history as we know is written by the victors,Victor Rothschild to be accurate (Churchills handler) and widely suspected as the fifth man among the spying dreamers (see what I did there) of Cambridge spy ring infamy.
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Someone explain to me why Hitler never invaded Switzerland…
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The porcupine scenario.The German losses would have outweighed any benefits to him.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Tannenbaum
Winseer:
Manalishi - Jolly good post, old boy!
Thanks chap,wish more info was more widely accepted,uss liberty event,lusitania sinking…oh and jim morrisons old mans role in the vietnam black The liberty attack is breathtaking in its scope…
manalishi:
Winseer:
Manalishi - Jolly good post, old boy!
Thanks chap,wish more info was more widely accepted,uss liberty event,lusitania sinking…oh and jim morrisons old mans role in the vietnam black The liberty attack is breathtaking in its scope…
Spill the beans on the Swiss issue
Carryfast:
Riho:
m.a.n rules:
of course that chinless wonder assad and sputin are two of the most charitable in the world.
youtu.be/_HLjC53emUM
You can always listen to what Assad has to say about the situation in Syria instead of relying on sources given to you by Rupert Murdoch
I’d rather trust moderate Assad than the Saudi head chopping savages or for that matter our Turkish NATO ‘allies’.
Which leaves the question what do Assad and Putin see in common with Iran who are as bad as the Saudi Islamic loons.
When realistically the logical way forward would be for Putin and Assad and Trump to all ally against Iran and Saudi to destroy Islamic extremism.At which point Turkey would show its true colours.In which case why would Israel also not see such a solution as being in its interests.
While what we’ve got now is effectively Saudi and Iran playing off Russia v the West,with China acting behind the scenes as zb stirring ring leaders and Israel having lost the plot in seeming to want to take the side of the Saudis v Assad.It’s an unbelievable cluster zb of epic proportions.
f— me! - I’m on the same page as Carryfast on this argument!
manalishi:
manalishi:
Winseer:
Manalishi - Jolly good post, old boy!
Thanks chap,wish more info was more widely accepted,uss liberty event,lusitania sinking…oh and jim morrisons old mans role in the vietnam black The liberty attack is breathtaking in its scope…
Spill the beans on the Swiss issue
I’ve got a swiss roll, a swiss watch, and some swiss novi chocolate.
Juddian:
muckles:
Whether you think it’s all a conspiracy or believe the mainstream media reports, have we learned nothing about getting involved in other people’s wars, especially in the Middle East funny how we never got involved in stopping that nasty [zb] Mugabe or other leaders who weren’t adverse to mass murder to stay in power.
Little or no oil to speak of? Paymaster Saudi not bankrolling regime change?
Funny how the useful idiots, who named streets in London after confessed terrorist Mandela, are completely ignoring the race/hate based murder of white farmers in South Africa which will accelerate (and endorsed by their new govt who have passed land grab without compensation laws), another once fine country heading the same way as bloody Zimbabwe, now a corrupt cess pit hell when compared to when it was called Rhodesia.
A policy that the new Zimbabwean regime seems to have reversed and are now giving white Zimbabwean farmers the same land deals as the Black farmers, as they realise they have generations of experience that they can bring to help build the countries economy again.
Strange I couldn’t find reports of this from some other media outlets, a bit like what is supposed to be happening in South Africa.
Glossary of Syria-Related Words
White Helmets = Agency ISIS 
Zanu-BS - Any news coming out of Zimbabwe at present.
Assad - Some geezer who many in the west think will hand himself over to ISIS to be burned alive in a cage, just simply because they wish it.
Hussein - The Fastest Man on Two Legs, LBW Middle Leg, or got his neck stretched for getting caught in a hole with a big beard, after seeing his country deprived of a six-figure number of lives.
Iran - Used to be called Persia (See also (“Iraq”)
Iraq - Used to be called Babylon. (See also “Iran”)
Jordan - Country to the East of Israel, also some bird who drives a pink 4x4.
Akrotiri - A place one would have to be quite brave to be over the next few weeks.
WMD - Any weaponized substance that can kill at least a cellar full of people.
Chlorine - a gas that disperses quickly enough, that anyone not there can pretend is anything else they like.
Turkey - (1) A bird that’ll be gone by Christmas. (2) A country that’ll be gone by Christmas.
Putin - (1) Nickname for Taxes. “You can’t expect to take out what you have not putin.” (2) The current leader of Russia.
ISIS (1) Islamic State (2) Ancient Egyptian Goddess, famed for inventing the venomous snake known as the “Cobra”.
COBRA (1) Venomous Snake invented by ISIS (2) Corrupt Oligarch Barstewards Ravaging Assad
Chemical Ali Not to be confused with the Chemical Brothers, Chemical Ali had his head pulled off by inefficient ISIS rope engineers.
Erdogan - (1) Current leader of Turkey (1) Someone who’s killed more Kurds than Chemical Ali (see above) but has yet to have his head pulled off for the crime.
Was may right to do what she done in Syria, or that ■■■■■■■■■ of a wana be pm Corbin crying we should all sit down for tea and cakes and have a nice chin wag to bring peace to the world, that geza need a ■■■■■■■ good lesson in life, I think may done the right thing, your thoughts, also can I put radiated water in the header tank on a Volvo fh
malcolmgbell:
Was may right to do what she done in Syria, or that [zb] of a wana be pm Corbin crying we should all sit down for tea and cakes and have a nice chin wag to bring peace to the world, that geza need a [zb] good lesson in life, I think may done the right thing, your thoughts, also can I put radiated water in the header tank on a Volvo fh
Assuming that your idea of provoking Russia over May’s bs false flag faked chemical attacks etc eventually leads to WW3 that obviously won’t bring ‘peace to the world’.
When what she should be doing is saying insufficient evidence and backing Assad is a better option than the Saudi backed Islamic nutter ‘rebels’.Then calling for de militarisation of the old Russian buffer states and recognising Russia’s valid interests in Ukraine.Then if Russia still wants trouble after all that then feel free to go to war but don’t be under any illusions that you’ll survive it let alone be going to work as usual in the aftermath.