cheekymonkey:
Is it ok if I can still have my afternoon snooze with my feet on the dash.?
Not according to my CPC last week, you have to use the passenger side, as sitting behind the steering wheel whilst on a break doesn’t count, as you should be on POA, or work. More CPC crap.
tc trans:
I always slept better in my cab when I was doing nights out.
Thank Christ for that…I thought it was just me. 
I must stress that I aint reached the ‘‘Cab happy’’ stage yet 
, but I do need a couple of nights to adapt when on holiday or at home…bloody embarassed to admit that. 
If they are genuinely wanting to improve standards of overnight parking, then ban lay by parking on health and safety grounds, (use all that crap in OUR favour for a change 
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Result= an already bloody desperate shortage of parking becomes a downright unmanageable chronic shortage, to the point where it obviously NEEDS to be addressed…, instead of the present policy of conveniently ignoring it. 
truckyboy:
This has been bouncing around for some time, and if there was a total ban, the French drivers would have been on strike by now, I also believe that this is a ploy by the Eu to put a stop to drivers sleeping in laybys without facilities like water and toilets…
Why would you want to park in a layby with no facilities??
Those nasty Europeans sticking together and striking and trying to look after workers, we’ll show them!!
Anyway back in the real world, I can’t see nights out being stopped. Even companies with large depot networks over here that have actively tried to cut out on tramping can’t manage it, so it won’t be stopped anytime soon.
Darkside:
truckyboy:
Why would you want to park in a layby with no facilities??
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A question I have always asked myself.
With me it’s an absolute last desperate resort, I can count on one hand how many times i last 30 odd years.
With others it’s a first option, the type with no imagination nor initiative, the teararsing heroes with not a second to spare, and the transport endurance excercise specialists.
Hope that answers your question.
Martin:
Seems it will be OK to sleep in a tent in a lay-bye alongside the truck. That came from an East European driver heard chatting in the services.
I always slept better in my cab when I was doing nights out.
This was done at Drongen service area in Belgium, partly allowed due to facilities being close by, but encroached vagrancy laws too so they were moved on.
Warberers tried to skirt around the law at transmark in France, by converting a few trailers into dorms on wheels.
A few German autohofs have a similar solution with a number of containers with mattresses, you pay for the receipt to say you had a bed.
There’s nothing on the DeViouSA site regarding daily rest not being allowed to be taken in the cab, reduced weekly rest can be taken and so can a regular as long as facilities are available.
If your company is paying for a hotel don’t knock it, take what you can when you can
toonsy:
From “digging it” in Europe I’d rather stay in my cab than in some Formula One type hotel… or a Premiere Classe with the convenience of being able to sit on the toilet emptying your bowels whilst having a shower in the same moment or the ambience if a sealed plastic murder chamber that can be hosed out ready for the next guest/victim.
If ‘digs’ became a requirement now, this would likely be a reality. If not shared dormatries. Hell will freeze over before drivers are being put up en masse with the pointy shoes in cosy Premier Inns etc.
rob22888:
toonsy:
From “digging it” in Europe I’d rather stay in my cab than in some Formula One type hotel… or a Premiere Classe with the convenience of being able to sit on the toilet emptying your bowels whilst having a shower in the same moment or the ambience if a sealed plastic murder chamber that can be hosed out ready for the next guest/victim.F
If ‘digs’ became a requirement now, this would likely be a reality. If not shared dormatries. Hell will freeze over before drivers are being put up en masse with the pointy shoes in cosy Premier Inns etc.
Had a chat with a clerk at Eldapoint yesterday,I was astonished at the excessive hoody wearing EE numbers of drivers knocking about,he reckons 90% is the ratio of ee to uk,pretty ■■■■ shocking,so I don’t imagine our future new coterie of truckers will have too many issues with using hotels or fleapit b&bs to be honest. 
manalishi:
Had a chat with a clerk at Eldapoint yesterday,I was astonished at the excessive hoody wearing EE numbers of drivers knocking about,he reckons 90% is the ratio of ee to uk,pretty ■■■■ shocking,so I don’t imagine our future new coterie of truckers will have too many issues with using hotels or fleapit b&bs to be honest.
In 2016 the DfT released figures for Haulage and put the amount of UK registered trucks coming in and out of UK ports at 12.6%. I doubt things have changed since then so his assessment of 90% is about right. When I used to head out in the late 80s-early 90s, I got into a habit of counting and around 8 out of 10 trucks were UK registered then.
someone should import this idea and make a fortune. it seems to be good enough for tojo… 
youtube.com/watch?v=J1TbiOI7RGs
quote (“This is clearly a move in the right direction, but does it go far enough? What else would help make truck drivers’ lives easier?”) unquote.
it would be a lot easier if we didn’t have every idiot in the world wanting to tell us how to do something that they know ■■■ all about.
rob22888:
toonsy:
From “digging it” in Europe I’d rather stay in my cab than in some Formula One type hotel… or a Premiere Classe with the convenience of being able to sit on the toilet emptying your bowels whilst having a shower in the same moment or the ambience if a sealed plastic murder chamber that can be hosed out ready for the next guest/victim.If ‘digs’ became a requirement now, this would likely be a reality. If not shared dormatries. Hell will freeze over before drivers are being put up en masse with the pointy shoes in cosy Premier Inns etc.
It will probably depend on whether the law is enforced properly, and whether it requires a specific facility that is consistent with recuperation, as opposed to just being outside the cab (in which case, like has been said, a tent or bed under a marquee would suffice).
Probably the best test of whether a facility is sufficient, is whether a reasonable driver given a free choice would choose to spend almost all of their free time in the facility rather than the cab. Most of us would rather stay in a hotel with a bed and shower if one was available, but not if it was excessively grim or dirty.
Franglais:
Ban for Truck drivers to sleep in the cabin only in place for the weekly restime
December 10th, 2018 Ralph Meyer
Brussels. After long negotiations EU member states have agreed on Dezember 4, 2018 on new regulations for resttime for international truck drivers.The ban for truck drivers on sleeping in the cabin decided by the EU transport ministers applies – unlike shortly before announced – only for the weekly resttime. “In order to ensure adequate working conditions for drivers, the weekly rest period must be spent outside the cabine,” reads the press release published Tuesday by the EU Council. For the rest of the nights the truck drivers are allowed to sleep in the cabin.
“There is an absolute cabin sleep ban throughout the European Union harmonizing without exceptions”, Austria’s Transport Minister Norbert Hofer (FPÖ) had said after the meeting in Brussels. However, a spokeswoman for the EU Council made clear to the German Press Agency (dpa) that this applies only to the weekly rest period, not for the overnight stay after a regular shift.
uicr.org/ban-for-truck-drivers- … y-restime/
Don
t Panic! Dont Panic!
So where are all these unattended (and likely abandoned) trucks going to sit, whilst local “hotels” are chocka before they have the capacity similar to MSA sliproads at night??
Farthing Corner & Cobham always seem to have trucks trailing down the sliproads, but not Clackett Lane for some reason?
Winseer:
Franglais:
Ban for Truck drivers to sleep in the cabin only in place for the weekly restime
December 10th, 2018 Ralph Meyer
Brussels. After long negotiations EU member states have agreed on Dezember 4, 2018 on new regulations for resttime for international truck drivers.The ban for truck drivers on sleeping in the cabin decided by the EU transport ministers applies – unlike shortly before announced – only for the weekly resttime. “In order to ensure adequate working conditions for drivers, the weekly rest period must be spent outside the cabine,” reads the press release published Tuesday by the EU Council. For the rest of the nights the truck drivers are allowed to sleep in the cabin.
“There is an absolute cabin sleep ban throughout the European Union harmonizing without exceptions”, Austria’s Transport Minister Norbert Hofer (FPÖ) had said after the meeting in Brussels. However, a spokeswoman for the EU Council made clear to the German Press Agency (dpa) that this applies only to the weekly rest period, not for the overnight stay after a regular shift.
uicr.org/ban-for-truck-drivers- … y-restime/
Don
t Panic! Dont Panic!So where are all these unattended (and likely abandoned) trucks going to sit, whilst local “hotels” are chocka before they have the capacity similar to MSA sliproads at night??
Farthing Corner & Cobham always seem to have trucks trailing down the sliproads, but not Clackett Lane for some reason?
Are you highlighting the grossly inadequate available parking, and facilities, for the trucks needed to service UK industry and retail?
Well done. I agree it is a disgrace. Too many expect to have trucks available to move their goods, but expect them to vanish once the load is delivered.
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like the part about drivers from lower wage countries being paid the same as drivers in higher paid countries,employers will probably lower our wages in line with theirs,wouldn’t surprise me if they tried it one bit.