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Only just found this site. I hope this is of interest.
After doing overland for a year in 1976, I stayed in Saudi doing internals. I had worked for Douglas Freight, but bought Paul Kerr’s day cab Scania from him when he upgraded to a Transcon.
I Pulled for Sea Land at first, but that started to go quiet when they brought in their own trucks from the States & employed Philippino drivers. I was offered the chance to pull a car transporter by Pat Conway, who I knew from Dunderdale & Yates in Preston. The rate was lower than Sea Land, 1500 Riyals a trip to Riyadh from Toyota at Al Khobar, but it was still £250 and I could comfortably do 4 or 5 trips a week. Pat and another lad called Dave, then also Ted Thomas and another guy who looked like Alvin Stardust, but whose name I can’t remember worked for John Lancaster, formerly of Howlan International. They sent him £1000 per week home and he used the money to set up a very successful conservatory business.
When that job finished, all of us ex Sea Land subbies were offered work by Alan Newhouse and Ali Al Ghoson, pulling for their joint venture Behring/Caravan. This would be about 1978, but I can’t give exact dates because I didn’t keep a diary.
The details are a bit fuzzy, but I think Jeff Litwin must have already somehow been involved because Caravan employed a Transport Manager called Joe (can’t remember his surname) who had worked for Jeff in the UK, and I remember meeting Jeff when he visited the yard. Joe’s family were with him, living in a flat above Caravan’s Dammam office.
There were rumours that Joe had been the guy Jeff sent to collect his debts, he was certainly big and hard enough. I don’t think Jeffeun had sent any trucks down at that point, and Behring had shiploads of stuff coming in, so I think we were just meant to be a stopgap. I remember Joe saying ‘ I’m going to have units lined across there’ waving his arm across the expanse of the Dammam yard. Since we were already doing the work, we really didn’t want Jeffeun sending 50 or 60 trucks, but it was presented as a done deal.
Joe’s ‘company car’ was a big American crew cab Chevy pick up. We were in Dammam and he said ‘come on, I’ll take you up to Al Khobar’ I can’t remember what for. So Eric Collins and myself got in. Luckily Eric got in the front and I got in the back. We were quickly doing at least 90 and I was petrified. He was madder than any Arab. I was certain he was going to roll it. He just laughed. I got down onto the floor and braced myself. Where the railway lines crossed the road at an angle the truck swayed and bucked. Again, Joe just laughed. We finally got to Khobar and stopped. I was shaking as I got out. When we’d finished looking at whatever it was we’d come to see, Joe said ‘Come on, back to Dammam.’ Eric and I both declined. We got a taxi back and I refused to ever get in a vehicle with Joe again.
Fred Topham was around at that time too. I think he was working on insurance fraud or some such, but he had some association with Jeff Litwin — again, exactly what, I don’t remember.
I think the first driver to arrive was Black John. I seem to remember about 5 of those standard orange colour DAFs, probably 3200s arriving, but I don’t remember any drivers except John. Maybe Jeff came down in a Range Rover pulling a caravan and John came with him, again, fuzzy on detail.
I came back from a trip to see this caravan in the yard and Geoff Collins, Eric’s brother, rushed across to my cab & said, ‘John, come and look at this’. We went round the side of the caravan and two of the biggest feet I’d ever seen were sticking about a foot out of an open window. Geoff was howling with laughter and went across and tickled them. Black John came out having just been woken up. You could see why his feet had been sticking out, he looked about 7’ tall!
He introduced himself as Black John, but I wasn’t very comfortable with that and just called him John, although he did say, ‘you might as well call me Black John, everybody else does’. Unlike Joe, John didn’t have a menacing presence, he was a big likeable guy. He did used to complain that ‘all the f****** locals start to rabbit on to me in f****** Arabic before I stop them’. John spoke with a strong London accent.
I’d forgotten about his arrest and subsequent release — I guess that didn’t help Jeffeun’s credibility with Behring Caravan.
Joe had a likeable side, but he scared me with his unpredictability. He really wasn’t that popular with us subbies. He would dish the work out without any consideration of whose turn it was, and wasn’t interested if you said anything about it.
After a 3 month stint we would fly home for about 3 weeks R & R. I happened to get on the same plane as Alan Newhouse and by chance sat next to him. I asked him about Joe, but he said, ‘well, I’ve given him the job, so I have to give him the chance to do it.’
Joe’s unpredictability was his downfall. He must have had some blazing row with Jeff Litwin. He came down to the yard one evening and proceeded to use the forklift to completely trash all 5 Jeffeun trucks. We were still living in our cabs at the time and watched open mouthed as he put the forks through windscreens and I think tore one cab from its mountings.
He got the sack next morning. I guess he didn’t work for Jeff again either. I got a letter a month or two later, asking if I would give him a reference.
I think that was the end of Jeffeun’s involvement with Caravan too. Peter Best became transport manager and started buying ERF’s from Star Commercials. When Peter left I stopped driving and took over as transport manager.

I met Fred Topham briefly when I was working for Jeff, in the yard at Hackney.
I was working for Litcor in Stoke, the firm that Jeff Litwin and Jack Corrie started from the remnants of Chapman and Ball.
I had flown out to rescue an F12 from Italy after the driver broke his ankle and finished up in hospital. When I got home Jeff said you might as well keep the motor, so I did, and was running it from Stoke for some time.
Fred was indeed an ex Met copper, specialising in insurance fraud, and he spent a lot of time travelling the m/e looking for dumped or stolen units and trailers. Likewise, I don’t know what his association was with Jeff.
No one was more surprised than me when I met up with Fred again at the Middle East re union at Gaydon last weekend. I asked him if he had see Jeff lately, and he said he hadn’t seen him for a long time.

I knew Jeff from his days running his skip firm Docklands waste. I bumped in to him about a month ago in a petrol station in Woodfood. He hasnt changed and was keeping well.

Hi Bullitt, yeah egg on legs rip…kenny had it a bit rough in the last couple of years of his life, he lost his dad through cancer, and when his mum died he inherited the house, but he soon sold it, and moved to Thailand where he met his love ( god help her ) any way he spunked a lot of his money on her and her relatives, bought a house, went mad with the money etc, but he was still claiming benefits from the uk, so they caught up with him, arrested him and he had to appear in court, this case was deferred because of his size and he couldnt fit in the dock, the day he was supposed to go to court, was the day they found him dead in the hotel room. Who was the other guy from Charlton ? i may know him as i worked for Roy and also lived in charlton for most of my life. I remember Kenny when he wanted to start International work, i was then working for a company out of New cross called Conquers tpt, doing international work with a 2600 daf and a tilt with Pickquickwritten on it and a picture on the back of the tilt ofMr Pickwick anyway i met kenny in 9 elms lane, he asked me where he could get a job working international, i put him in touch with a couple of firms and he got a start, but lets face it, he must have frightened a few bosses with his size ( 34 stone ) and he did break a few seats lol and we used to drink regularly down our localGreenwich town social club he even carried his big euro wallet and chain everywhere he went, just to show the different currencies ha ha as we all did at some point thinking it was cool. Another good friend of mine and kennys wasJim Rawlinsonwho lived at the bottom of my roadVictoria Way` rip, and the pair of them ended up working for some cowboy doing middle east, always flitting from one company to the other either no work, or sacked, or not being paid, think they had more jobs than i had hot dinners. I better finish at least one of my other stories.

So i picked up my outfit fro m the garage and we both started our journey towards Russe in Bulgaria to collect wine, going through Kavala onto Sofia, Sliven, and finally into the winery in Russe ( Pyce ) we stayed overnight and loaded the next morning, collected the papers b( and some money ) and headed towards Giurgiu on the BG/RO border where we had to be sealed, pay the road tax etc, after waiting on the bridge for 4 hours and joining the queues to get into the frontier. We headed for the ringroad around Bucharest, dodged the bandits on that route and the diesel sellers, they used to rob the fuel from the railways to sell it to anyone who wanted it and at a very good price, but we had enough this time so just kept going and heading up the mountain towards Pitesti and pulled in again for the night in a secure compound with food and beers Our next port of call was Ramnicu Valcea ( the dam ) where we stopped for a cuppa and a snack before going towards Sibiu and one of the many Turk parks that had started to appear where it was safe and had food and beers etc, and even a young lady if you wanted one. Our next port of call was through Sebes, and up towards the frontier with Hungary called Szeged and once again to join the huge queues waiting to get through the borders. The majority was East europeans who were always delayed and vehicles checked scrupulously along with their documents and their cabins, quite often we would jump the queue, and sometimes the guards would pull us out and told to go to the front and once through into Hungary we were on our way to one of the many truckstops european and brit drivers would stop at The Windmill where we would eat, drink shower and chat, telling other drivers of any encounters along the route, but great cameraderie. The next stop would be either the Containers or make it into Czechoslovakia as it was then, for it did split the country into two when czech wanted to join the EU and they didnt want the Sigun ( gypsies ) let loose and splitting the country was one of the conditions, although a sometime down the line they both joined ? We bypassed the next truckstop and headed to Budapest, i learnt sometime later that there were two parts to this beautiful town seperated by a river, so there was a north and a south side, one called Buda, and the other Pest so we carried on and stopped further down the line in Tatabanya, well not in the town but one of the stops on the motorway where they had facilities like food and showers and girls galore if you wanted them, could even get your truck washed for next to nothing by the young kids, Onwards and upwards the next morning after a breakfast of ham and eggs and lovely fresh baked bread and mugs of coffee, it was all systems go as we drove through the town of gyor and up to the czech border at Raika, we wasnt really allowed to drive through this town, they wanted us to take a detour over the mountains, but most risked it and if caught paid a small fine…it really was worth it for the detour and fuel saved, we were lucky this time and didnt have to pay and headed further towards our next overnight stop at the infamous Cheb Hotel the other side of Prague, a hard drive but worth it, many used to stop at the Airfield just outside of Brno but we kept going at least to reach our goal and after a break the other side of Prague we finally pulled into our destination. A lot of brits used this place as it was very close to our next country DDR or east germany my chosen route. Another good night was had and the next morning we headed into DDR im not going to bore people anymore with descriptions except to say he was getting on my ■■■■, never stopped moaning about his boss how he was jacking it in when he gets to Dover and i couldnt wait, so across east germany, into west germany and two more stops later we were finally heading to zebrugge, no mobile phones in those days and once in the port i phoned the boss, told him where i was , and he asked me to clear the load in dover, the other guy had met someone he knew, who offered to give him a lift up north where he lived, and he just dropped the trailer, parked the unit, and dissapeared after saying goodbye and thanks for the help etc and i ended up parked next to his unit, with my trailer safely on the bay and awaited customs to do their job, hopefully not too late the next day, it was cold by now and very close to xmas, I had a couple in the wheelhouse, met a couple of old friends, and headed for bed. Before i went to bed, i decided to have a look around my old girl and found all of my rear tyres had been scrubbed, and on examination found one of the rear springs had jumped the hangar putting my axle out of line, more bloody expense, and no money to speak of, this owner driver lark was becoming expensive, one of my mates came over and asked what the problem was, so when i told him he suggested Theres a donor motor there` no way ! but then again it would solve all my problems, there used to be a mechanic roaming the docks who would do the odd job here and there, and i set off to find him, only to ask him about my spring hangar, and eventually got my rear wheels off, and he helped put the spring back in the hangar, my mate also got busy taking off the other wheels…and anyway no more to be said a dumped motor is a dumped motor and it wasnt going anywhere too soon, and i had some of my troubles sorted, but not all of them and god has weird ways of paying back sinners…right…right…that would be payback time on my next trip which was almost straight away.

sorry i double posted

I make no apologies for bumping this thread up. It is a quality thread: lots of really good accounts of Middle-East overland work, not a hint of ‘handbags at dawn’, and a wealth of experience and good humour. A good read throughout. :wink: Robert

Hi all, I can guarantee no one will remember me, i kept myself to myself, I found Jeff to be a great guy to work for, we had a good understanding, he gave me a truck, a few thousand dollars to stick down my sock, ‘Some’ paperwork, and let me loose with no contact till i got back, he knew i got the job done.
Lots of stories and photo’s as i dig them out over the '75-'78 period,
Saw a comment about Joe in the Al Khobar compound loosing his head, was described as a ‘Hard Man’, Far from it, i used to wind him up daily, a fat windbag, after a 3 month trip via Beirut during the middle of a war (long story) i arrived back in London and found the windbag still working for Jeff, clearing muck out of yard and looking very sheepish, his repayment for forklift demolition job.
Black John was a good mate, hope he is alive and well,
I always ran on my own, gave the impression to others that i was an innocent abroad, suited me fine, but guys in office knew where i had been and what i had been up to, .
I will scan photo’s as i find them,

Black John tarting up his Daf

Al Khobar (Damman) compound

More to follow

Hi Skipvitesse,

Great photos!

Love the one of Black John and his Daf. You can see the magnetic Caravan sticker behind the door. I also found him a great guy and was disappointed when he was arrested for breaking into a supermarket in Riyadh. He was lucky to get pardoned soon after on the occasion of the Queen’s visit.

I’m the one who described Joe as menacing. I guess after his full moon attack with the forklift in the yard and return home with his family he was somewhat chastened!

I may not remember you, but if you visited that yard we must have met! The Volvo behind what I guess was your Daf, originally belonged to Trevor Cooper. When the big money slowed down on SeaLand, he sold it to Ted Thomas and went home.

[edit] Realised that probably wasn’t your Daf as it’s on Saudi plates. The whole Caravan adventure must have cost Jeff a small fortune.[edit]

Looking forward to more photos!

John

Yes John, we must have met, i was the young blond long haired git that couldnt be bothered with Joe’s ■■■■, we were NOT friends, i knew him from London and was not in the least scared by him.
Yep, i was on Saudi Plates (in fact still have one in workshop) Mostly ran down to Doha, along with Joe’s ■■■■■ internal work, waste of time and money in my eyes, and i told Jeff more than once that he wouldnt make a penny, I did my own thing and hate to think other guys in compound thought i was the ‘OddBall’, it’s just that i had done 2 years in Russia (mid 70’s, scary place) done Iran/Persia, not stupid, knew where the £’s were, and they were not in Damman with Joe in charge, so i ■■■■■■ off and made money for Jeff, and myself, elsewhere.
Were you part of that crazy lifting beam job down to Rhyaid? beam only fitted over 2nd trailer pulled by Daf, empty flat bed, Dolly, and another flat bed? NO Traction at all, wandered all over desert, and someone, i know not who, managed to reverse it down ramp, 2 stories down, into building plot, i followed it all down to site, how it it got there is a piece of trucking history, but back then all part of a days job
Like i said, nobody remembers me, that was how i was happy back then, no pressure, nobody wanted me to look after them (apart from Prat that brought the F88 lift axle unit down, cooked the brakes BIG Time coming down to Damascus) and ■■■■ himself getting to Damman, i took F88 & trailer to Doha and tipped it for him, he didnt stand a chance on his own,(P.S. Jeff was a great guy, but didnt pay me for helping out, but Hey, we just went day by day, i just thought it was the thing to do at the time, and it kept me away from Joe) he then dumped truck and hitched a lift home to UK, and THAT had big probs, another long, funny, story,
Nice to hear from someone that was ‘there’.

1st trip out in new F12, must be one of the very first F12’s in UK, badged as a 12-17, Every other one i ever saw was badged 12-20, not sure of month, but late 76 or very early 77,
Where Jeff got them i have no idea, he had 6, way before they appeared in UK market, all LHD, were they prototypes for testing purposes? If i remember correctly they were initially used pulling wine bladders on 20ft skellies from Tilbury into London,
Jeff stuck me one and sent me off to Zurich to see how it went, then straight off to Doha or somewhere, i forget, just it was in the middle of nowhere on a deserted beach, sat twiddling thumbs for a day or so till someone turned up to arrange off-load, i think i was there almost a week before we got load off, weird double ended box trailer, doors both ends

Zurich, 1st trip across water in F12

Followed instructions (Vague as normal) and ended up here

Turned out to be right place!!!

Who remembers the weird Revs Per Second Rev Counters on very 1st F12’s??

ha yes that dash looks little old now but top notch at the time my 1st had overdrive on dash as well not the stick

Early trip in Red DAF, odd that it had a split screen?
Christmas day somewhere in a desert (whats new?) found a Pro Motors guy parked up asleep (forgot those guys did Middle East back then)
Spent a day or 2 backing each other up in deep sand, lots of digging and towing out, way down south of Riyhad, god awful place, didnt see tarmac for days

Great to see some new photos and input on this thread keep up the excellent work skipvitesse

Another of the old Red DAF’s, i think i had 2, PVX 948R & 949R,
Girisun loading Nuts for Cadbury, just as i was about to head off after loading and getting Customs done, another pair of Simon trucks turned up to load, one guy (who’s name i forget) persuaded me to wait for them so we could all run home together, not something i would normally do, i liked to run alone, but i waited, When they were loaded and Customs sealed we got about a mile before the roof of box trailer peeled back in wind, so back into Girisun for repairs, Customs Seal? so what, guys got into trailer and patched it all back together on side of road no more than 100yds from Customs office,
Didnt last long though, roof kept peeling back, this was winter, lots of wet stuff in the air,
As it was New Years Eve by the time we got going we stopped for night just before leaving the Black Sea,
Nice guy and I had a great evening, Mr Miserable just complained,
I got fed up crawling along when nice guy told me his brother in law was on his 1st trip, and was SO scared of Turkey he would only creep along, I arranged to meet them at the Hareem Hotel, i couldnt believe it when i was there 4 hrs ahead of them!!! we then spent quite a few days awaiting money etc (plus dodgy permits to drive through Germany, in fact NOT ONCE did i ever use train or commie block for Jeff! Permits always seemed to appear, but best not examine the too closely)
While in the Hareem i soon found out why ‘nice guy’ wanted to stay as a 3 truck convoy, the brother in law was in DEEP Depression, and scared out of his pants by the whole experience, i ended up calling him ‘The Voice of Doom’, Truck was no good, roads No good, food No good, Hours No Good,
A total disaster of a driver, even when we got to England he blocked the A2 going up hill after Medway bridge in deep snow, i had no choice but to blast by him and get back to Brick Lane.
P.S. Box trailer ended up with front roof section left on side of road somewhere in Bulgaria,
On arrival back at yard it spent over a week with 3 or 4 hot air blowers trying to dry out load, Jeff prob told Cadbury truck was delayed by breakdown, as far as i know load was delivered and CMR signed as all OK!!!
There had to be over a Ton of snow over front part of load.

Girisun, ready to leave

Main Road Girisun, not far from Customs, Sealed trailer having work done with locals INSIDE trailer?

High St, Girisun, delightful place

stevejones:
ha yes that dash looks little old now but top notch at the time my 1st had overdrive on dash as well not the stick

Splitter was on dash, actually very handy, i liked it, early gearing was great, happy to cruise at 110kph but would hit 125Kph if needed, i kept to 110-115 to keep fuel consumption under control, plus brakes were NOT the best, i jacked up each wheel and adjusted slack adjusters at least 4 times per trip, ahh they were the days,

ye u got it remember s.siera at top pulling in and winding em all on for run down into madrid early eighties like u say gr8 days forever gone :smiley:

Welcome aboard TruckNet, Skipvittesse: a breath of fresh air and fantastic pictures! Keep 'em coming mate. Robert :smiley:

Couple of DAF’s that didnt make it,

Anyone remember this■■?
Driver walked away with a twisted ankle,
He had stopped behind a queue of trucks at a big accident just over a brow of a hill,
Luckily he was watching mirrors and saw a Rag Head on full chat coming over brow, he hopped out of door just in time as local went into back of his trailer at about 100kph, his trailer went through cab and squashed into trailer in front, lucky, lucky man,

I was taught when i first went out to ‘Be Aware at ALL Times’, that driver must have listened to guy that told me, must have been a split second descision to bale out,

Similar DAF problem,
This one with a funny outcome,
An Austrian had a fair bump in Saudi,
He decided as he could not leave country without his truck (remember that stupid rule, truck number stamped into passport)
So he drove this all the way back to Austrian border, got through every country but Austrians were not silly enough to let him drive on their roads,
He found it best to have his head outside cab structure,
I saw him in Jordan and again at Maribor, i could not beleive he made it,
Do what has to be done i guess

stevejones:
ye u got it remember s.siera at top pulling in and winding em all on for run down into madrid early eighties like u say gr8 days forever gone :smiley:

Why am the ONLY driver Never to run over Sommer Sierra in the sun? I was always snow bound, Old road in 70’s was frightening,
Also remember having an old Pegasso (Pigs ■■■■■■■■) and having to stop at EVERY hill top to wind on front brakes, pulling for a french mob that never had trailer brakes, the life of a subbie,

Hi,

Some great photos and info there Skipvitesse. I can only guess where you were going south of Riyadh - Layla or even Al Sullayil? We went to Al Kharj a lot, but that was all Tarmac I think. I seem to remember that Ted Thomas and possibly Pat Conway had tried to get to Al Sullayil from Riyadh and had spent many days digging. IIRC the route we usually used was via Khamis Mushayt - a long way round but a known quantity. The memory is a bit hazy, so don’t shoot me if I’m wrong.

The double doored 40’ trailers were normally used by the carpet carriers I think. I never pulled one so I can’t be sure. Why you would need it on M/E I don’t know.

The usual reason for a split screen on any motor was that you had had the windscreen replaced in Turkey. Paul Kerr and I went to Baghdad together. As we came down the hill into Cizre, the kids who were playing football massed together and showered us with stones - very frightening! I was in a Daf. You CAN drive a Daf from dashboard level! I received a lot of hits, but Paul had a smashed windscreen on his Scania. When we got back to Istanbul he had it replaced - but it was 2 pieces of flat glass that made the Scania look like a Scammell! I was worried because it was just ordinary glass, not toughened. However, it got him back to Blighty.

Back to the Caravan yard photos. Fascinating for me. It must have been soon after we moved in because there are no buildings at all around. Here are two photos of the same view of you in front of your truck maybe 3 or 4 years later. A warehouse and a cold store in the background now. It’s definitely the same view, see the electricity pylons on the back road on the left. That road became hard packed - it was a short cut to the main Al Khobar to Dammam road and was used by all. Unfortunately, the sand became so hard packed that it filled with water in winter when it rained - but still they used it! More warehouses built beyond our yard.

I don’t remember the beam, I can’t remember being involved, but it doesn’t surprise me. That’s Ginger McNeil’s Daf on the front of it, so I guess he took the load. He was a good driver, so he must have reversed it too. I couldn’t have. I couldn’t get a double bottom to go back in a straight line to save my life! We also took massive wooden beams from the port to Al Khobar after Joe’s time, wooden supports from Sweden for the new Safeway roof, on the Corniche. I think it was the biggest unsupported by columns building in KSA at the time. Ron Hawkins (on the Trans Arabia thread) built the double trailer we used for them. Peter Best may have been involved with the beam, he had a 6 wheel Volvo f88 in the same colours as Trevor’s.

We used the dolly whenever we ran double bottoms, but to be honest it wasn’t often. by the time you got two trailers and 2 40’ containers on, you were about at maximum weight - never mind the contents! Geoff Collins was with Ginger. His Daf had been impounded in Germany when the lad who was driving it (not Geoff) was imprisoned for trying to pass counterfeit DMs… but that’s another story! Geoff bought a Fiat from someone and ran that for a while, later buying a normal control Autocar.

As owner drivers, we made a lot of money from the internals - even with Joe dishing the work out, but of course, unlike Jeff, our overheads were minimal.

Oddly enough, apart from Black John, I don’t remember any Jeffeun drivers. Perhaps it was just that you weren’t there very long! Also, as you say, you kept your head down and got on with it.

I also ‘Ran out of Ferodo’ (as per an earlier description of Black John with a road train) on the long drag down into Damascus. The F88 brakes weren’t brilliant anyway, but it was my fault for not checking the trailer brake adjustment. Certainly made the old bottle go ‘Half crown - tanner’ to coin a phrase. However, it didn’t put me off and wouldn’t have stopped me going on to Doha. Good old Joe gave the first Khamis Mushayt trip to Peter Best, out of turn, because he thought he had more experience than me. I was furious, I loved going anywhere new!

John