Seabourne Freight

Irishtrucker66:

Pennineman:
Just another possibility, the Irish government had some sort of deal to get Arklow to pull out of the contract ■■?

I’ve only read of one other person insinuating this,Jacob Rees Mogg. Why would the Irish government encourage a company to pull out of providing extra capacity on cross channel routes?
The fact of the matter is it would more beneficial to traffic from Ireland going to the continent via landbridge having another route to choose from so I dare say that the Irish government would be encouraging rather than dissuading ASL involvement.
As for the notion of Seaborne being a subsidiary of ASL, I wouldn’t put a weeks wages on a bet that it wasn’t but I seriously doubt it. have any of the personnel involved in Seaborne any connection to ASL? I would imagine a parent company would have a senior figure involved in a subsidiary to protect their interests. ASL is one of the leading European company’s in bulk shipping and has been operating since 1966, so I suspect there is more to their pulling out than is being made public. It might be the case that ASL’s involvement was to provide experience and advice to Seaborne.

That is why I put the question marks at the end of my sentence - I don’t know, politicians are good at playing silly beggars!

Franglais:
I counted how many ferries Arklow have.
Didn`t take very long, they have none.
Ferries can be chartered in, but on what time scale? The same questions about getting ferries apply to Arklow as to any other hirer: where and when can they get a ferry?

If Arklow have ship for charter ships, why can’t there be companies that have Ferries available to charter?
I know from experience there are aircraft up to large airliners available for both long and short term charter, (I was asked by a boss once to find an airliner to charter for a season :smiley: it was a fun project and quite possible, but to pricey to make it viable :frowning: ) why can’t it be the same in shipping to allow for peaks and troughs in demand or unforeseen circumstances, boss didn’t want a ferry, :laughing: ?
As for timescales, Seaborne had been formed long before this and had been making plans, who’s to say that didn’t include working on deals to get ships?
Much of the criticism of the Seabourne was their lack of shipping experience, well they seems to have been working with a company which had that experience.

Franglais:
If a Minister signs up a start up company then he should say “Look, its a long shot, but its worth a punt” and stand by it. Its his choice and up to him to defend his position. If he tied his own hands with confidentiality clauses` HE is to blame.

I think the confidentiality problem, was due to commercial confidentiality, which is quite common in commerce, especially while setting up a new project.

Franglais:
The media are doing their job, and if they see a company has it`s terms and conditions copied from a takeaway menu, who can blame them for taking the mickey? Is that hysteria?
And proposing a ferry port that needs maybe months of dredging before any operations could take place? Grayling, at the very least jumped the gun: maybe saying “Further talks are ongonig, but are in the early stages, and no details yet”? But maybe that would have been (justifiably) criticised as being too insubstantial, too little, too late.

So the media ignore the over £90m given to the other companies, instead get hysterical about one company, who were already planning to get a ferry service running and would only get the money if they delivered.

Takeaway menu or test website?

Franglais:

muckles:
Seabourne would only have got the money if they had actually provided a ferry service, so no money has been given to a company without ferries

That is true. Some money may have been expended on chasing this project, but that is a just a normal cost. No great financial loss, tis true.

No great financial loss at the end of the day.
A startup with no shipping experience, backed by a shipper with no ferries, and no viable port.
A minister trying to make a speculative contract spin-up into something more substantial?
Looks like it to me. And the media did their job of letting us know.

If this hadn’t been about Brexit and been government consider giving grant to company to reinstate port and provide ferry service in an economically deprived area, would the media spin have been different?

The media did their job of letting us know, or carried on pushing their own agenda?

Jacob rees Mogg made a valid albeit speculative point.
Common sense suggests that the Irish government wouldnt have a issue with it.
But Leo Varadkar seems so far up Brussels backside it seems he would rather have his own country suffer if it means Brussels get what they want.

This is all speculation though. Personally I lost a lot of respect for Jacob ever since he backed the Pm in a motion of no confidence. Then he went on to say something along the lines of "I’d rather die then put a Marxist in number 10.
This gave me the impression he would always put party politics before the country…
The Erg should of done the right thing and voted with Corbyn on the No confidence vote as that is clearly what they feel.

Regardless what we need now is both parties to come together to sort this out and I don’t see it happening.

As for Chris grayling and Seaborne freight I’m not saying he hadn’t made any mistakes in this I just think the silly headlines of" hahaha hapless minister give millions to shipping company without ships" is not only stupid but fake news. I’m also disappointed Jeremy Corbyn decided to mock it in the exact same way…

Something that seems to have escaped everyone’s attention is that Seabourne has been slowly building up for some time and is run by seasoned ferry management, the Brexit contract just brought it into the public eye for all the wrong reasons. It may well be that the naming of Arklow Shipping as backers, became an embarasement for Leo Varadkar. Hopefully they will find fresh backers and find success in breathing new life into Ramsgate, continuing where Trans Europa left off. My days of European transport are long gone, but in my day there were several alternatives to Dover, all of which had advantages for one reason or another.

I used to work for Arklow Shipping as master on a couple of their ships and they were/are a very well run efficient company although some of their ships are registered in Holland so I believe some of their financial backing comes from there. True ASL don’t run ferries but I’m sure if they chartered one or two then they would be run at a profit and the bosses at Seaborne would have been given very short thrift if they never did there bit … the ‘lady’ who ran ASL could be a right nasty piece of work if you upset her, which I did a couple of times … hence now working for someone else !!!

Bart Tommelin the Mayor of Ostend told the BBC that it was impossible to get the port ready for service by end of March. He also said that he has had no contact with HMG, but has been talking to Thanet Council?
Is this the “due dilligence” Chris Grayling was talking about? Not even talking to the destination port?
As I said before Grayling was spinning speculation into a rescue plan. He was at the least silly to introduce the name of a company that he couldn’t divulge details of. If he’d said there were two contracts plus talks for a possible third one, no problem. He didn’t.
If Seabourne are/were to start another crossing: Great!
More choice for us, and more work for the under used ports. Good for all.
Talking of this nascent scheme as a reliable imminent service was Not competent.

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Bloomberg reports Transmanche are suing UK Gov over flawed procurement procedures in ferry deals.
( Channel Tunnel Group & Anr V
Secretary of State for Transport.
HT-2019-000028
High Court of Justice.)

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Watching sky news this morning. There reporting that the government are looking into using Bristol port.
As it’s operational has spare capacity .
Yes Bristol.
Maybe some one needs to government a map

edd1974:
Watching sky news this morning. There reporting that the government are looking into using Bristol port.
As it’s operational has spare capacity .
Yes Bristol.
Maybe some one needs to government a map

Next they’ll be making Wigan pier a brexit landing stage [emoji23][emoji23][emoji6][emoji23]

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I would have thought Portland Port would be a good choice, deep water, already up and running etc.

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It’s ok. We’re also looking into using ferries as Navy ships to cement our place back on the world stage.

Biggin Hill will reopen, cars will only be available in shades of green or beige with an Austin badge and we’ll be forced to remove washing machines and replace with a tin bath and washboard. Because everything was better in the good old days you see.

toonsy:
It’s ok. We’re also looking into using ferries as Navy ships to cement our place back on the world stage.

Biggin Hill will reopen, cars will only be available in shades of green or beige with an Austin badge and we’ll be forced to remove washing machines and replace with a tin bath and washboard. Because everything was better in the good old days you see.

And a black Labrador can be named (rhymes with Tigger ) [emoji6] again

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blue estate:

And a black Labrador can be named (rhymes with Tigger ) [emoji6] again
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When I was a kid we had one with that name …

Biggin Hill will reopen, cars will only be available in shades of green or beige with an Austin badge and we’ll be forced to remove washing machines and replace with a tin bath and washboard. Because everything was better in the good old days you see.
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And a black Labrador can be named (rhymes with Tigger ) [emoji6] again

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^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
heres the very chappie.
how disgraceful is it that the wee dogs name cant be mentioned because of the pc snowflakes.
at least they have the decency to keep its grave the way it should be out of respect.
all you need to do is google its name and grave to see the offendingsubject.( snowflake liberal alert) dont do it. :open_mouth:
by own black lab was called the same name till it died recently.
being pc is not my strong point :unamused:

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£33 million to keep Eurotunnel happy.
bbc.com/news/business-47414699

And also today, the National Audit Office reported on the partial privatisation of the probation services, when Chris Grayling was the Justice Secretary:
theguardian.com/society/201 … on-changes
“Amyas Morse, the NAO chief, said: “The ministry set itself up to fail in how it approached probation reforms. Its rushed rollout created significant risks that it was unable to manage.
“Not only have these failings been extremely costly for taxpayers, but we have seen the number of people on short sentences recalled to prison skyrocket.””
“A review of Chris Grayling’s Transforming Rehabilitation programme, published on Friday, added that the number of people on short sentences recalled to jail had soared and the termination of contracts with private probation companies would cost at least £171m.”

EDIT> and hes still Transport Secretary.... wonder what he has in store for US next? These two, after he failed to question and oversee the changes to rail timetables last May, makes for a pattern doesnt it?