Brexit .....embarrassment

robroy:
Carryfast mate :unamused: ,.I ain’t an armchair self confessed political expert like yourself, I drive a truck for a living, and have little interest in In depth politics, or political history.
If my political naivety is evident to you, I can not help that.
Like I said I only form opinions and interpret them from what I see, just like the majority of most working class people I would even say…
I have given my take and viewpoint on it, you have given yours, time will tell who is right and wrong on this.

So we’ll let that suffice, as I’ve no will, desire nor intention to get into a 5 page+ debate on this with you bud.

You asked the question what makes anyone think he isn’t the real deal.Sorry if you don’t like the answer.As I said ‘if’ I was going to trust any Tory on the issue it would be Davis more than BoJo.No surprise that he’s been kept well away from power just like Hoey on the Labour side.No surprise either that we had May taking over from Camoron and then her supporter Bojo taking over from her.The whole thing is a choreographed remain scam since 2016 if not before.While it’s not a case of wait and see because we’re already in the situation of ‘Brexit’ being odds on favourite to descend into Extend to Revoke or evens odds BRINO to Rejoin just as planned when the Tories pushed the laughably named ‘Withdrawal Act’ through parliament with the help of their SNP/Lab/LibDem allies.

Carryfast:

robroy:
Carryfast mate :unamused: ,.I ain’t an armchair self confessed political expert like yourself, I drive a truck for a living, and have little interest in In depth politics, or political history.
If my political naivety is evident to you, I can not help that.
Like I said I only form opinions and interpret them from what I see, just like the majority of most working class people I would even say…
I have given my take and viewpoint on it, you have given yours, time will tell who is right and wrong on this.

So we’ll let that suffice, as I’ve no will, desire nor intention to get into a 5 page+ debate on this with you bud.

You asked the question what makes anyone think he isn’t the real deal.Sorry if you don’t like the answer.As I said ‘if’ I was going to trust any Tory on the issue it would be Davis more than BoJo.No surprise that he’s been kept well away from power just like Hoey on the Labour side.No surprise either that we had May taking over from Camoron and then her supporter Bojo taking over from her.The whole thing is a choreographed remain scam since 2016 if not before.While it’s not a case of wait and see because we’re already in the situation of ‘Brexit’ being odds on favourite to descend into Extend to Revoke or evens odds BRINO to Rejoin just as planned when the Tories pushed the laughably named ‘Withdrawal Act’ through parliament with the help of their SNP/Lab/LibDem allies.

Ok :neutral_face: …but I was responding to Darkside’s point that he put to me tbh, so not a case of liking or disliking your answer… that I never asked for. :neutral_face:

robroy:
Whether you love, like, hate, or are indifferent towards Boris Johnson, and whatever his motives are, either honourable, self serving, career advancing or otherwise, (I don’t t particularly care btw) he is trying his utmost to carry out the will of the majority of the electorate in a democratic fashion, to get us to hell out of the corrupt cluster [zb] that is the EU.
On the other side you have the ones who can not accept a democratic vote, who did not get the result they wanted (or expected) whinging and whining away, trying (and succeeding) to scupper his plans at every move, by using every tenuous loophole, tactic and dirty trick (including attempted character assasinations) to avoid Brexit.
So now he has to go cap in hand to ask for another extension…the humiliation. :unamused:

I bet the EU member countries are laughing their bits off at this once great country, the same EU member countries of at least one that we once defeated, and others who we once helped to liberate from another attempted ‘European Union’…in the realms of time, not THAT long ago either. :bulb:
For once in my life I am embarrassed to be a Brit. :neutral_face:

Yes they are Robroy.
I watch Belgian news daily and they’re laughing at this scenario like most of the population over here.

Order. Order . We love Mr Bercow. Shame he’s stopped. Entertainment value will not be the same.

Could it be remotely possible that voters might select their candidate based upon what they have already done for them about the constituency?

…There’s no rule that means a fresh candidate has to be a ‘public virgin’ after all…

Take someone like Trump for instance… Decades of being a “public figure” and yet “never holding public office”, but “always out there”.

…Romps home, beating the e-mail hardcopy Prints of Darkness, Hitlary Clinton, with extensive experience being in high office for years and years - and a crook for just about all of it. :open_mouth:

If your rich and powerful leaders “Legalize Evil”…
…Then God Help the Good.
…If you don’t happen to believe in God or an Afterlife?
…You’re already beyond help.

After months of Remainers arguing that “There’s no such thing as the Brexit Dividend”

We now see Swindleson declaring the NO Brexit Dividend “exists”…

Well folks - either they BOTH exist, or NEITHER of them do.

She presumably refers to the £39billion we will be paying the EU on settlement on top of the next 13 months @ 1billion per month = £50billion.

Problem is, that we are under no obligation to ever pay the £39billion, because all the deals that involved it “have been rejected by Parliament already”.
The £1billion per month - has already cost us £8billion extra since May booted Brexit down the road from March 29th this year.
Boris Johnson’s crappy deal will cost us the £13billion extra - but so will any other kind of “Not Leaving”, including Swineson’s “Cancelling Brexit Outright” option.

FFS - Does she think that the EU will suddenly let us Remain for FREE after she becomes PM?

The question I’d like to ask her in any “Debate” is "How much have you bet on yourself to become the next PM, bearing in mind you’re pretty certain of that outcome at this general election?
If you answer "I’m not a betting person but… " then we can all safely lose all faith in her there and then, as she’s not prepared to put her OWN money where he mouth is.

The “Cancelled Brexit Dividend” - doesn’t exist.
She clearly hoped to cash in on the Brexiteer’s arguing that the Brexit Dividend DOES exist, but couldn’t explain how to raise it.

I’LL explain it then!

"The Brexit Dividend - is the contributed money we currently and ongoingly pay the EU - that becomes a cash saving to the UK economy the moment we CEASE paying that amount.

The amount is MINUS

Even if we argue it to be <350m> MINUS <250m Rebate> - we are still taking about a Brexit Dividend of £100,000,000 PER WEEK to the UK economy.
Another big advantage is that this money taken possession of simply by not handing it over to start with - can then be spent in any manner we choose, not just Liberal Left Propaganda projects, vanity projects, “Follies”, and Non essential window dressing, such as Beaurocrat Wages, including the MEP payroll.

If the EU wanted to keep the UK “in” - they could at any point have offered the UK an increased rebate, which could be put towards the NHS, seeing as we’re treating more people thrown over here to the UK “for free” now than ever before in history. If the EU are not prepared to be a bit more generous to “straining Britain” - then there’s no one else we can ask - is there?

I voted Brexit first and foremost - to re-patriate this money known as the “Brexit Dividend”.

Once gotten - we can always vote out the Tories later - if we don’t like what they spend the first months and years of that amount on in our economy. The country is better off by that amount saved ONGOINGLY after all.

Any “Brexit” that doesn’t involve “ceasing these payments” of course - is NOT Brexit.
If we leave the EU in “all the upsides that it brings” without leaving any of the “heavy financial burden downsides” - then this “oven-burned Half-Baked Brexit” - is likely to trash our economy, because we’ve really got the worst of both possible worlds. The EU are happy for us to proceed along those lines of course, as from their point of view - we’ll be begging to “re-join” the moment we are on our kness financially as of the next economic downturn, possibly just a few short months away, regardless of Brexit coming about in the meantime or not.

Funny thing is, that had Brexit been recently overturned, and this downturn then happened - it would be very easy indeed to blame the downturn on Brexit being Cancelled - rather than being BOTHCHED.

A bad deal - is indeed worse than No Deal.
No Deal - is the only Brexit that secures us 100% of the Brexit Dividend. We won’t be paying any £39billion over for starters, and money flows can be ceased with immediate effect, on pain of being busted out of Whitehall for “Failing to comply with direct government orders” to that effect.
The EU intially will offer us a far more generous concession - IF we come back to the negotiating table at that point. For example, a “Lower payment structure” would be a sensible compromise. Thatcher achieved something similar when “getting the rebate increased” back in the 80’s. This was akin to “trying to leave Sky - only to be told you get a £20per month discount if you stay on for another year” So you stay. :unamused:

If the EU compromise isn’t deemed generous enough - then we can always push for more - or snap up their compromise offer should it really be in the form of “An offer we cannot refuse”.

It could be sweetened up with a 75% discount on imported electricity for instance, and the German Monopoly on Russian-imported Natural Gas could be ceased, allowing us to both trade WITH Russia again, and CEASE trading with Iran, as we see fit. We cannot have a Two Sovereign States - Opposite Foreign Policies set-up. It is deplorable!

Get the MONEY sorted FIRST, and the rest - can be hammered out LATER.

The EU make a profit on UK trade, so once the money ceases to flow from the UK in the form of contributions - they’ll be a lot keener to “do a free trade deal quickly” than at present, where “kicking it down the road” means securing months more of UK contributions - MORAL HAZARD there!

There’s no way that Boris Johnson’s “transition period” gets to end on December 31st 2020 any more than Theresa May got Brexit done on March 29th, or Boris “died in a ditch” on 1st of THIS month. :angry: If we continue to pay the money - Brexit will forever be kicked down the road again, again and again - until we really ARE all dead from old age - Remainers and Brexiteers alike, this time. :frowning:

Ceasing the payments - “Gives us back Control” first and formost. Forget “controlling our borders” - we could have done that any time we liked. It involves spending money on border controls. There’s no EU rule that says we cannot do this, but I guess there ARE rules that say we cannot blow the blighters out of the water, like we might have once done in more enlightened Empire times. Good old “Dover Patrol” with nobs on!