I wonder if Eagerbeaver fancy’s a career change
mrginge:
eurotrans:
I thought robroy was putting himself forward, he’s got my voteDunno about that, he will probably use tax payers money to help Newcastle United much like Real Madrid
Thanks lads for the vote of confidence. 
I would not ■■■■ on that treacherous little ■■■■ Gove if he was on fire, he’s got the face that you would never get tired of punching.
The coke thing was his misguided way of appearing to be ‘A man of the people’’ and possiblly ‘‘Down with the kids’’ and at the same time a bit of forward planning damage limitation, if it had came out.
It backfired on him, good enough for him, ■■■■ him. 
I know little about Hunt, I do not take much interest in party politics tbh, simply because none of them will ever do the likes of me any favours,.and are all in it purely for themselves…
So that said…
From a (very 
) simplified layman’s point of view, or a ‘‘Lad’s’’ pov,
either…
Esther McVey, simply because ‘‘I Would’’ 
…or Boris as he’s the sort of bloke who strikes me you could have a pint with. 
Job sorted, you’re welcome.
(Told you I knew nowt about politics. 
)
Doubtful Goves little admission will sack him off, that slimey ucfkwit Osborne was suppose to be pictured snorting coke with a ■■■■■■ and he still cooked the books for his sheep buggering buddy
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.
Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
The only way that this whole brexit face is disappointing is if you really believed that there was democracy in the first place, politics is not for the public at large as your vote is purely to elect the elite in. After that your voice is ignored. It is no surprise to me, who ever becomes the pm, it doesn’t make the slightest difference.
Deffo got a hard spot for ms Mcvey,awesome creature.
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
Quite so.
As a few Tory party members get to vote on who the next PM will be, we can rejoice in our superior democratic systems.
Either it is not really important who the PM is, so we shouldn’t worry.
Or it is important who the PM is, so we should all get a vote.
If only paid-up Tories get a say…
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For what it’s worth Johnson seems to be keeping away from live interviews.
Given his track record of inserting his foot into his mouth at the slightest opportunity it’s his best bet to go further.
So long as no one looks closely at his history he has a good chance.
Grumpy Dad:
Optimum:
Any of them because they are all pro Brexit which will ■■■■ them in the eyes of the electorate which knows that remain is the best option.Unless a GE is called before October, the remain whimpering electorate won’t really have much of a say.
The Tories will see their time in No.10 through and although a major flaw in her intentions to prove members were behind her, May called a GE and in doing so extended their time in No.10 until 2022.
The issue is that there isn’t a sufficient majority of Tory MPs to force through a hard-right Brexit. That’s why they’ve been talking of doing a Charles I and dismissing Parliament.
And even the Labour Brexiteers wouldn’t miss a chance to bring down the Tory government, so it’s not like the Tories can bank those against their own defectors.
The reality is that they may have to call a GE.
Rjan:
The issue is that there isn’t a sufficient majority of Tory MPs to force through a hard-right Brexit.
Oh wait so we’ve actually been living in a working class paradise since 1973 to date it’s just that it doesn’t seem like it.It’s so much better to maintain Blair’s and Starmer’s status quo of living under the rule of the German banker class.
Than let the Cons get us out and hopefully tear themselves apart doing it then we can chuck em under the bus and let Hoey take over the agenda after.But no Corbyn doesn’t want that because all he can see is the Italian Communist vote helping him to create his EUSSR vision. 
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
Yup total ‘genius’, playing the anti no deal & remoaners at their own game. Had these groups respected the democratic vote of the nation in the referendum then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we are in now, simples.
robbo99.:
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
Yup total ‘genius’, playing the anti no deal & remoaners at their own game. Had these groups respected the democratic vote of the nation in the referendum then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we are in now, simples.
So because we had a democratic vote, in favour of impossible promises, based on false figures and misrepresentations and now have a small nonelected group (Tory party members) about to elect our next PM, you think we should blame those who believed in, and wanted none of this nonsense?
And looking at candidates Boris is not doing interviews again. Who fancies a PM whose supporters and campaign team don’t trust him to speak in public?
What a joke! Be funny if it wasn’t frightening.
Franglais you’ve been reading too many of CF’s posts, the word soup is beginning to rub off on you
I partly agree with you that an unelected council of any kind should not decide the future of Britain, but then again don’t we already have that in the form of the EU Parliament - 27 representatives unelected by the British people who decide our laws, our economy, our immigration and no doubt if we fail to leave our military too.
3 years ago no one could foresee the problems we face today, and if democracy had been upheld then those members of the house who have thrown up countless hurdles to halt the process, would have agreed to uphold the wish of the people and worked towards a solution.
Corbyn a man who for years rallied against the EU and its principles has become the enemy within, no matter what has been put forward he has rejected, he continually stated that he should be involved and when he was finally granted his wish, he walked away having agreed nothing.
The public have given the government a task, which they through democracy have to uphold, the Tories have to save face and deliver regardless of personal beliefs, failure to deliver will be the end of the Tories and they know that, but it will also show the world that British politics is a mockery.
Grumpy Dad:
Franglais you’ve been reading too many of CF’s posts, the word soup is beginning to rub off on you
I partly agree with you that an unelected council of any kind should not decide the future of Britain, but then again don’t we already have that in the form of the EU Parliament - 27 representatives unelected by the British people who decide our laws, our economy, our immigration and no doubt if we fail to leave our military too.
3 years ago no one could foresee the problems we face today, and if democracy had been upheld then those members of the house who have thrown up countless hurdles to halt the process, would have agreed to uphold the wish of the people and worked towards a solution.
Corbyn a man who for years rallied against the EU and its principles has become the enemy within, no matter what has been put forward he has rejected, he continually stated that he should be involved and when he was finally granted his wish, he walked away having agreed nothing.
The public have given the government a task, which they through democracy have to uphold, the Tories have to save face and deliver regardless of personal beliefs, failure to deliver will be the end of the Tories and they know that, but it will also show the world that British politics is a mockery.
Couldn’t agree more.
robbo99.:
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
Yup total ‘genius’, playing the anti no deal & remoaners at their own game. Had these groups respected the democratic vote of the nation in the referendum then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we are in now, simples.
Yep, blame the fact two Brexiteers, Davis & Raab, couldn’t get a decent deal from Europe on the huge catch all group ‘remainers’
Word soup? Guilty.
But you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the EU system.
Elected Euro MPs vote on proposed laws as our own UK MPs do.
The Commissioners who ptopose those laws are not directly elected it’s true. They are proposed by the elected Government of each member state, so represent the prime party of each state. They can be seen as being similar to UK ministers. UK ministers are often but not always elected MPs. UK ministers are appointed by the PM they are not democratically elected to office of state.
As we see now a small number of people will decide who holds the highest office in our land. “democracy deficit” is in evidence here. Tory party members alone will decide how the Gov looks.
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Three year ago it WAS clear that much of the Leave campaign was absolute bllx. Trying to deliver the impossible promises made was predictably going to fail.
Of course any doubts voiced at the time were not looked at properly but dismisssed as false news or “fear mongering”. Tis true none predicted exactly how Brexit would fail, but it was always clear ir would.
We don’t need to analyse which bit will break first to realise that the smoky old bus held together with chewing gum, string, and the promises of selfish ambitious politicians ain’t gonna make the trip.
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
switchlogic:
robbo99.:
BoJo looking like a winner, Raab & McVey proposing to shut down the zoo for the time it takes to get a no deal through. If nothing else that would put the arrogant, back stabbing, non democratic, anti no deal & remoaner merchants in their place.Yup a stroke of ‘genius’, put the ‘non democratic’ remainers in their place by suspending democracy. Welcome to the banana republic that is the UK
Yup total ‘genius’, playing the anti no deal & remoaners at their own game. Had these groups respected the democratic vote of the nation in the referendum then we wouldn’t be in the mess that we are in now, simples.
Yep, blame the fact two Brexiteers, Davis & Raab, couldn’t get a decent deal from Europe on the huge catch all group ‘remainers’
Then surely we should have left the EU at the end of March with a no deal Brexit? That surely had to be the default position for Brexit.
Franglais:
But you are misunderstanding or misrepresenting the EU system
Elected Euro MPs vote on proposed laws as our own UK MPs do.
There’s no misunderstanding or misrepresenting the principle that only UK elected MP’s have a mandate and the right to vote on laws affecting the UK.Not the principle that two Italian Communist votes are worth more than one Brit vote in making our laws.However much you might like that obviously gerrymandered system.Obviously only when it suits you as I’m guessing that you wouldn’t want Trump as the EU President on the basis of his US based electoral mandate.In just the same way that no one here voted for bleedin Juncker etc.
Carryfast:
Rjan:
The issue is that there isn’t a sufficient majority of Tory MPs to force through a hard-right Brexit.Oh wait so we’ve actually been living in a working class paradise since 1973 to date it’s just that it doesn’t seem like it.It’s so much better to maintain Blair’s and Starmer’s status quo of living under the rule of the German banker class.
Than let the Cons get us out and hopefully tear themselves apart doing it then we can chuck em under the bus and let Hoey take over the agenda after.But no Corbyn doesn’t want that because all he can see is the Italian Communist vote helping him to create his EUSSR vision.
You don’t have to support the EU wholeheartedly to realise that the Tory right are intending simply to make things worse for working people.
How many Brexiteers harp on about laws made in Brussels? Well the fact is that the Tories intend to have our laws made in the US as the condition of a trade deal, where standards on virtually everything are worse.
The foremost Tory candidate is planning billions of pounds of tax cuts at the same time as we’re being told money is so tight that we can’t even have our roads maintained properly.
You’ve even got Tory candidates talking about dismissing the very Parliament they said should “take back control”, simply because they won’t dare refer to the people in a GE!
It is the height of idiocy to support the Tory right. Nothing they previously forecast has come true. No improvements are awaiting working people.
It’s the story of a place called Mouseland. Mouseland was a place where all the little mice lived and played, were born and died. And they lived much the same as you and I do.
They even had a Parliament. And every four years they had an election. Used to walk to the polls and cast their ballots. Some of them even got a ride to the polls. And got a ride for the next four years afterwards too. Just like you and me. And every time on election day all the little mice used to go to the ballot box and they used to elect a government. A government made up of big, fat, black cats.
Now if you think it strange that mice should elect a government made up of cats, you just look at the history of Canada for last 90 years and maybe you’ll see that they weren’t any stupider than we are.
Now I’m not saying anything against the cats. They were nice fellows. They conducted their government with dignity. They passed good laws—that is, laws that were good for cats. But the laws that were good for cats weren’t very good for mice. One of the laws said that mouseholes had to be big enough so a cat could get his paw in. Another law said that mice could only travel at certain speeds—so that a cat could get his breakfast without too much effort.
All the laws were good laws. For cats. But, oh, they were hard on the mice. And life was getting harder and harder. And when the mice couldn’t put up with it any more, they decided something had to be done about it. So they went en masse to the polls. They voted the black cats out. They put in the white cats.
Now the white cats had put up a terrific campaign. They said: “All that Mouseland needs is more vision.” They said: “The trouble with Mouseland is those round mouseholes we got. If you put us in we’ll establish square mouseholes.” And they did. And the square mouseholes were twice as big as the round mouseholes, and now the cat could get both his paws in. And life was tougher than ever.
And when they couldn’t take that anymore, they voted the white cats out and put the black ones in again. Then they went back to the white cats. Then to the black cats. They even tried half black cats and half white cats. And they called that coalition. They even got one government made up of cats with spots on them: they were cats that tried to make a noise like a mouse but ate like a cat.
You see, my friends, the trouble wasn’t with the color of the cat. The trouble was that they were cats. And because they were cats, they naturally looked after cats instead of mice.
Presently there came along one little mouse who had an idea. My friends, watch out for the little fellow with an idea. And he said to the other mice, “Look fellows, why do we keep on electing a government made up of cats? Why don’t we elect a government made up of mice?” “Oh,” they said, “he’s a Bolshevik. Lock him up!” So they put him in jail.
But I want to remind you: that you can lock up a mouse or a man but you can’t lock up an idea.