Rjan:
Carryfast:
Like Jinping you’re avin a larf.It’s obvious that ‘if’ Putin did it then it was meant as a warning shot for the consumption of MI5 and the government not an attempt to wipe out Wiltshire or even necessarily to take out Skripal.
While we haven’t threatened anyone with any WMD attack.The fact remains that Russia stands accused of involvement in such a threat not us and unarguably then answered that accusation with more threats of WMD attack.Not exactly the actions of an innocent party.
I don’t think anything can be inferred about their guilt - one way or the other. Their actions are consistent with that of a non-ally in either case. That they are on telly crowing about the dangers to British spies, laughing at our incompetence, pumping out all sorts of disinformation, rattling the sabre of their nuclear arsenal, it’s all perfectly consistent with their being an innocent party who resent the slander and don’t feel the need to submit to our demands.
Imagine your neighbour, who has many enemies and whom you already dislike immensely, were to make a totally false allegation against you in public. You demand evidence, and you demand witnesses, and your neighbour simply taps his nose and says “I have secret sources” - and of course, we are supposing that any such source is either mistaken, maliciously false, or totally invented. At this point, would you simply submit to your accuser’s demands to let him have a look around your house, to feel the inside of your pockets, to rifle your diary and your mobile phone, and so on? Or would you march around to his house and throw a brick through every single window, and quite possibly throttle him senseless?
Reacting with threats and military force to the making of a false allegation is perfectly consistent with innocence, when the accuser lacks credibility, authority, and legitimacy.
While yes we know that NATO has for some reason been winding up the Russians after Russia’s definite act of good faith in vacating its old seized buffer states.Which is where much of the issues originate.Also obviously both sides maintaining an ongoing cold war type espionage regime against each other for some reason after the so called ‘end’ of the cold war.We’ve also got the EU and NATO acting like muppets regarding the sensitive powder keg of Ukraine by not making a clear statement that the EU and NATO has no designs or interest in Ukraine nor in allowing Ukraine to be an EU or NATO member state.Which is more or less the position of Farage as opposed to the EU and NATO.
Remind us where you stand on the issue of the EU’s foreign policy regarding the militarisation of the Russian buffer states and its intentions regarding Ukraine ?.Are you now saying that Farage was right and the EU is wrong ?.While it seems strange why you want to shift all the blame for that onto May when she is just doing as expected in acting like the puppet of the EU that she’s always been and that you’ve said that you support.
To be honest I know far too little about the fundamental issues at stake with Ukraine to make a useful response, but simply because I support the principle of an EU doesn’t mean I necessarily support every policy. By analogy, criticising Blair’s foreign policy does not necessarily go hand in hand with saying the British state should be smashed to pieces.
While as I said all bets are off in that regard now that Russia has gone full ■■■■■■ in which it’s just a case of those who are prepared to face and return that threat in kind v cowards who haven’t got the bottle and who therefore put us all at risk of what seems like a machiavellian type plan by Russia and China to create a pre text for them and their stinking Korean,Iranian and Korean allies to kick off WW3 against the west and in which Farage’s and Trump’s previous pro Russian anti EU/NATO stance throws a spanner in.On that note it’s you who needs to wake up.Although it’s my bet that you’re just a typical deluded Socialist on the side of China not the West for ideological reasons bearing in mind that it’s Jinping who’s obviously pulling Putin’s strings and who is orchestrating the whole cluster zb for his own ends.
At the end of the day, we are eventually going to have to get used to treating other nations as peers rather than subjects. I’m not on the side of China (or Russia), but ideological wars are won by consistently demonstrating our superiority, not by cheap talk - and the fact is, democracy and liberal freedom in the West is being increasingly corrupted by wealth and power, whereas the Russians have had a dose of neoliberalism that has left their society more corrupt and more unequal than in Soviet times, and the Chinese are consistently doing far better than the West in terms of economic growth.
Incidentally, you do realise that “Jinping” is Xi Jinping’s first name, not his surname? It’s as if you were referring to Mao simply as “Zedong”.
Firstly to remove any doubt I’m not saying that Russia is guilty,far from it.But as I said threatening us with Nuclear attack in answer to May’s bs posturing doesn’t help Putin’s case one bit.In which case it’s in everyone’s interests to meet that threat in kind regardless just as Kennedy did.Then we negotiate having got that line in the sand established,again just as Kennedy did.
My problem is all the other machiavellian bollox.Which raises all the other questions regarding all the contradictions which I’ve pointed out.With the game having moved on now to the far more dangerous situation of the combined issue of the UK/EU/US having all gone rogue regarding two possible false flag operations.Ironically the lesser of which being the Salisbury incident and the far bigger question of Syria ( again ) with the anti Assad Saudi backed loons controlling that agenda with yet another supposed fake chem attack by Russia/Syria.
On that note I can’t get my head around why Assad and Putin see anything good in allying themselves with Iran.
Nor how the US sees allying the West with those Saudi backed anti Assad loons as being in the West’s interests.
Or why Trump seems to have made a 180 degree U turn in that regard with both him and Farage clearly having previously wanted to give Russia more space and benefit of the doubt regarding everything from stopping EU/NATO posturing in Eastern Europe to keeping well out of the mess in Syria.To the point where I’m increasingly questioning whether Trump is even the real Trump and not an establishment double plant with the real Trump having been given an offer he couldn’t refuse.On that note it would be silly and illogical to believe that the Syria issue is a clear false flag op but not the Salisbury incident.
So let’s get this right.
Trump was elected on a US isolationist ticket long the lines of get the hell out of Syria and don’t fall for the Saudi backed agenda there against Assad.Also that Russia has a justified case regarding NATO/EU posturing on Russia’s borders.Also cut western ties with Saudi.Thereby removing any chance of the west being dragged into a fight on an Eastern axis pre text on Eastern axis terms.
What the zb has moderate Assad got in common with Islamic extremist Iran ?.Or for that matter has even Putin ?.
Exactly where/how does China fit into it all.Bearing in mind that it’s obviously gearing up for a big fight allied with Iran and Russia and Pakistan v the West.
Why has May and Trump left out China in their stupid sabre rattling v Russia?.Assuming a Russian pre text and therefore on Russia’s terms bearing in mind that China has made its support of Russia clear in that regard.
On that note no assuming your warring neighbours scenario and Russia is really the innocent party it’s much more logical for Russia to just call May a liar and walk away.Unless NATO actually makes a move on Russia on the basis of dodgy false flag ops.Bearing in mind that neighbour disputes don’t generally have the potential of going nuclear.While this one has more than just the potential it’s the certainty.
While as it stands May and whoever ‘Trump’ actually is,seem to have lost the plot in all cases assuming that they’ve gone for two idiotic false flag ops in Salisbury and again in Syria to make the case for war with Russia.While if not why would they want to go to war based on an obvious Eastern Axis set up and pre text to drag us into a war on Russia’s terms and of Russia’s choosing.IE logically the innocent party,in either case,wouldn’t allow the guilty party to set the agenda or get dragged into the wrong fight at the wrong time in the wrong place to suit that agenda.
In which case what Russia and China certainly wouldn’t have been expecting was for May and Trump to say we ain’t bovvered because we don’t think that Russia did it.Nor would we have expected Russia to answer false allegations of WMD attack…with the treat of a WMD attack. 
When surely they’d have just been expected to say we’re innocent and that is sufficient.
As for China.All part of the globalist agenda and its economic growth is only that which China’s corrupt western globalist ( business ) allies have given it at our expense.What did China do with the cash.It didn’t even give it to its workers it turned it into weapons.The question then being for use against who ?.Which leaves the question why is the biased Western media circus pushing war with Russia but saying absolutely nothing about China when China has stated its support of Russia ( and inevitably North Korea,Iran and Pakistan ) ?.Who’s fooling who in all this and why.