PAUL GEE's PHOTO COLLECTION

[DEANB]

Always thought these Fodens had so much character about them ! Unlike all the modern stuff.

Bedford TM.

These Roman trucks must have been more popular than i remember i think thats the 3rd one.

Spanish Dodge.

Day cab Maggie.

Foden.

Maggie,looks heavy.

Tidy bedford TM day cab.

Your being spoilt BonkeyDollocks !

Another day cab Crusader.

[Bewick]

Excellent shots once again Deano ! But just a perfectly innocent observation as these shots were taken in the South it just go's to show that vehicle buying tastes during those years were completely different from those in the North and Scotland. We bought mainly Premium makes such as Atki/ERF Scania and Volvo whereas many of the motors in the shots are Bedford/Ford/Maggie/Roman etc. Oh! and Scammell Crusaders ! but interesting all the same, well done to Paul for having taken the time to create what is now a time warp ! Cheers Bewick.

[coomsey]

Very nice half cab S50 ARC in the first batch of this afternoons lot. There wasn't many for ARC I believe so Paul did well to snap that one.

And I am inclined to agree with Oiltreader's observation that the photos are brilliant. My main interest are quarry tippers but I enjoy seeing all the other vehicles in the shots.

Many many thanks for your continuing efforts in scanning and posting the pics.

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

[coomsey]

What a marvelous thing Paul has done. The thing we wished we'd done at the time n couldn't be arsed or afford to
Fantastic !

[BonkeyDollocks]

Spoilt indeed! the second shot of the ARC half cab, is it the same wagon as the other half cab shot? I reckon it is.

And I spotted the Sed Ak ARC artic. I reckon it could have been an owner driver otherwise the cab would have had the company logos on as well.

[Willie Roadstar]

Great collection Dean many thanks to you & Paul for posting

Cheers
Ant

[LR Man]

Thanks Dean and Paul for the great photos, any more of Bakers of Southampton? Excellent shot of Bakers Volvo F89 and top timing, Jimski has just finished building a model of this very truck for me, which my uncle, Phil Dibden used to drive!

[kingswinford kit]

Great collection Dean many thanks to you & Paul for posting

Cheers
Ant

My sentiments exactly ,love the Philpots TM ,they had a few with Detroit motors ,thanks regards Keith .

[DEANB]

Todays pics, starting off with some "PORN" for Robert !

When the trucks are stood still the photos are fantastic for quality !

Too right!!

Those pics of the ERF parked up are perfect for me,you feel that you could be stood there in real
life looking at them !

Excellent shots once again Deano ! But just a perfectly innocent observation as these shots were taken in the South it just go's to show that vehicle buying tastes during those years were completely different from those in the North and Scotland. We bought mainly Premium makes such as Atki/ERF Scania and Volvo whereas many of the motors in the shots are Bedford/Ford/Maggie/Roman etc. Oh! and Scammell Crusaders ! but interesting all the same, well done to Paul for having taken the time to create what is now a time warp ! Cheers Bewick.

Intresting observation Dennis, i would not have said the Ford transcons were not premium motors ? Bedford's were probably the most common trucks back then. The TK and TL were money making trucks,simple,easy to
repair,cheap to repair,and cheap to run. They could make you good money . The maggies semmed to have a
strong following just by the numbers that Paul took photos of,plus as a kid i can remember seeing loads of
them about. I dont know Dennis,but maybe they were cheap to buy ?? The Crusaders and Romans i dont know
that much about. I believe the Romans were basically Mans,but someone else may know for sure...

Very nice half cab S50 ARC in the first batch of this afternoons lot. There wasn't many for ARC I believe so Paul did well to snap that one.

And I am inclined to agree with Oiltreader's observation that the photos are brilliant. My main interest are quarry tippers but I enjoy seeing all the other vehicles in the shots.

Many many thanks for your continuing efforts in scanning and posting the pics.

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

Cant really remember them coomsey,but must have been a bit tight for storing your personal bits and bobs
you take to work. Would imagine that they were pretty rare ???

What a marvelous thing Paul has done. The thing we wished we'd done at the time n couldn't be arsed or afford to
Fantastic !

Indeed i mentioned it before ! It was expensive back then having films developed ! Paul did develop
his own black and white pics, but had to pay for the colour ones and obviously the films. He must have
spent a fortune !

[DEANB]

Spoilt indeed! the second shot of the ARC half cab, is it the same wagon as the other half cab shot? I reckon it is.

And I spotted the Sed Ak ARC artic. I reckon it could have been an owner driver otherwise the cab would have had the company logos on as well.

Same lorry chap ! Dont remember a Sed Ak ,but there was a Transcon !

Great collection Dean many thanks to you & Paul for posting

Cheers
Ant

Thanks Ant, Paul will be pleased that so many people are enjoying them. !

Thanks Dean and Paul for the great photos, any more of Bakers of Southampton? Excellent shot of Bakers Volvo F89 and top timing, Jimski has just finished building a model of this very truck for me, which my uncle, Phil Dibden used to drive!

LR MAN, There were some earlier in the thread i think ! I am sure there will be more pics of Bakers as
hopefully there are a lot more pics to come ! By the way a cracking model !

Great collection Dean many thanks to you & Paul for posting

Cheers
Ant

My sentiments exactly ,love the Philpots TM ,they had a few with Detroit motors ,thanks regards Keith
.

Thanks for the comments, Keith.

Starting with a Borderer.

Datsuns 88

Another Roman.

Tidy 88 ,but should have a sun visor on it makes them look so much better !

Big transcon.

Mercedes, That cab lasted them years,although the steering wheels were too big !

Day cab crusader

Day cab ERF,with huge gap between rear of cab and trailer.

Fair play to Paul ,another 88 !

Seddon Atkinson, same company as 88 above.

[pete 359]

hi all,
i am loving these evocative images,every day it gets better and better.thanks for sharing.
regards andrew.

[DEANB]

Foden.

Day cab Foden

Marathon.

Transcon

Berliet i think ??

A lot of Fodens about this day.

ERF

Guy big J

Another Berliet,fairly local to me that company.

Mercedes

[backsplice]

I know all you lads appreciate that these photos are all PRE digital and there has been a lot of expense accumulating the collection ........a lot of stuff just disappears without the enthusiasts .............. think of all the things most of us have seen but no camera ?????

What a great collection ............. parking up now !!!!!

[ERF-NGC-European]

.

Mercedes, That cab lasted them years,although the steering wheels were too big !

[/quote]

That big steering wheel was the best thing about those NGs - loved 'em! lol. After that, the German's dropped their long-standing legislation that all commercials should have big enough steering wheels to get the driver home in the event of power-assistance failure. It was a good common-sense rule: I'm only a little chap but I got an MAN home from Belgium with no power-steering one day because the big wheel enabled me to - and saved a fortune! Robert

[kingswinford kit]

Hey DEANB,nice kick off with that lot with the Issac Caswell Borderer . He had a big immaculate fleet and his Borderers were the finest in S Wales ,thanks again for some superb stuff,regards Keith .

[coomsey]

Todays pics, starting off with some "PORN" for Robert !

When the trucks are stood still the photos are fantastic for quality !

Too right!!

Those pics of the ERF parked up are perfect for me,you feel that you could be stood there in real
life looking at them !

Excellent shots once again Deano ! But just a perfectly innocent observation as these shots were taken in the South it just go's to show that vehicle buying tastes during those years were completely different from those in the North and Scotland. We bought mainly Premium makes such as Atki/ERF Scania and Volvo whereas many of the motors in the shots are Bedford/Ford/Maggie/Roman etc. Oh! and Scammell Crusaders ! but interesting all the same, well done to Paul for having taken the time to create what is now a time warp ! Cheers Bewick.

Intresting observation Dennis, i would not have said the Ford transcons were not premium motors ? Bedford's were probably the most common trucks back then. The TK and TL were money making trucks,simple,easy to
repair,cheap to repair,and cheap to run. They could make you good money . The maggies semmed to have a
strong following just by the numbers that Paul took photos of,plus as a kid i can remember seeing loads of
them about. I dont know Dennis,but maybe they were cheap to buy ?? The Crusaders and Romans i dont know
that much about. I believe the Romans were basically Mans,but someone else may know for sure...

Very nice half cab S50 ARC in the first batch of this afternoons lot. There wasn't many for ARC I believe so Paul did well to snap that one.

And I am inclined to agree with Oiltreader's observation that the photos are brilliant. My main interest are quarry tippers but I enjoy seeing all the other vehicles in the shots.

Many many thanks for your continuing efforts in scanning and posting the pics.

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

Cant really remember them coomsey,but must have been a bit tight for storing your personal bits and bobs
you take to work. Would imagine that they were pretty rare ???
Better men than I will tell you how many Dean! Drove loads of lorries that I never went anywhere near the jockey seat. Tipper work mostly local n snap bag behind seat as long, as you'd got somewhere for your flask top 1\2cab fine. Forgot you, thanks for your work putting up such fine pics

What a marvelous thing Paul has done. The thing we wished we'd done at the time n couldn't be arsed or afford to
Fantastic !

Indeed i mentioned it before ! It was expensive back then having films developed ! Paul did develop
his own black and white pics, but had to pay for the colour ones and obviously the films. He must have
spent a fortune !

[windrush]

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

Cant really remember them coomsey,but must have been a bit tight for storing your personal bits and bobs
you take to work. Would imagine that they were pretty rare ???

They were not THAT rare, at Tilcon our depot alone had around 20+ of them (tippers and powder tankers) and there were many more nationwide based at other quarries. Not a bad truck, you could just squeeze two people in the cab which we sometimes had to do on breakdowns but it was tight! Ivonbrook Quarries had a few as well locally, also ARC had a lot of tippers and mixers (ex St Ives Sand and Gravel I believe) but fitted with the 'dumper' type of half cab instead.

Pete.

[jshepguis]

Once again DEANB thanks for posting these superb photos. On the F88 agree that they do look better with the sun visor fitted. On that note remember when mating for Stevens running over Scammonden dam on the M62 a lorry passed us and when passed sudden wind gust blew visor slamming it back onto roof. I do remember driver saying it had happened before, and also another of Stevens F88 same problem smashing that one ,so was removed and never refitted. Just wondering if other drivers on here had same problem?

[coomsey]

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

Cant really remember them coomsey,but must have been a bit tight for storing your personal bits and bobs
you take to work. Would imagine that they were pretty rare ???

They were not THAT rare, at Tilcon our depot alone had around 20+ of them (tippers and powder tankers) and there were many more nationwide based at other quarries. Not a bad truck, you could just squeeze two people in the cab which we sometimes had to do on breakdowns but it was tight! Ivonbrook Quarries had a few as well locally, also ARC had a lot of tippers and mixers (ex St Ives Sand and Gravel I believe) but fitted with the 'dumper' type of half cab instead.

Pete.

Hi Pete, don't recall any later than J reg n only Foden, would that be right?
Ideal for tipper work most lorries I drove never went anywhere near the passenger seat. N you could get to nearside window always a game on hot days on the road.Plenty of room for flask n snap.
Was there any payload gain? Paul

[HRS]

Thanks Dean and Paul for the great photos, any more of Bakers of Southampton? Excellent shot of Bakers Volvo F89 and top timing, Jimski has just finished building a model of this very truck for me, which my uncle, Phil Dibden used to drive!

Fantastic model, the man has a gift indeed.
I remember when it was draged back from a water dyke, might have been France, and it needed a shovel to get the mud out from inside the cab before it could be put back together again, Eric was so relaxed about it I could not believe it. In my earley days knowing Mr Baker he would have gone loopy. Harvey

[windrush]

Hi Pete, don't recall any later than J reg n only Foden, would that be right?
Ideal for tipper work most lorries I drove never went anywhere near the passenger seat. N you could get to nearside window always a game on hot days on the road.Plenty of room for flask n snap.
Was there any payload gain? Paul

We had several J reg tippers but they were all short wheelbase 24 ton eight leggers. There were two J reg tankers, NRB 174 J and ORA 310 J, all the rest were long wheelbase thirty tonners on K plates. Several of the thirty tonners were recabbed with S40 Motor Panels cabs to give them a longer life as the half cabs rotted badly, plus there were insurance issues with there only being one door in case of an accident. I took most of them to North riding Garages at Middleton St George for recabbing and engine overhaul while the cabs were off. Payload was about the same as the plastic S39 cabbed ones I think, around 21 tonnes. They did plenty of distance work, Isle of Wight and back in the day and Truro, Scotland, Crediton and down into Kent were regular runs. Of course during winter the sugar factory at Felsted in Essex had a large tonnage of limestone daily so they were kept busy on that.

Pete.

[DEANB]

Pete.[/quote]

hi all,
i am loving these evocative images,every day it gets better and better.thanks for sharing.
regards andrew.

Pauls busy scanning the next batch !

I know all you lads appreciate that these photos are all PRE digital and there has been a lot of expense accumulating the collection ........a lot of stuff just disappears without the enthusiasts .............. think of all the things most of us have seen but no camera ?????

What a great collection ............. parking up now !!!!!

I think we all feel like that,should have taken a camera !

.

Mercedes, That cab lasted them years,although the steering wheels were too big !

That big steering wheel was the best thing about those NGs - loved 'em! lol. After that, the German's dropped their long-standing legislation that all commercials should have big enough steering wheels to get the driver home in the event of power-assistance failure. It was a good common-sense rule: I'm only a little chap but I got an MAN home from Belgium with no power-steering one day because the big wheel enabled me to - and saved a fortune! Robert[/quote]



The only good thing about them was you could nod off on them !

Hey DEANB,nice kick off with that lot with the Issac Caswell Borderer . He had a big immaculate fleet and his Borderers were the finest in S Wales ,thanks again for some superb stuff,regards Keith .

Thanks for the input Keith !

Half cab yes brill pic B D Whitwick A R C had 4 drove 1 on nights dry stone to M Keynes for a while , alright I thought but called Animals by everybody

Cant really remember them coomsey,but must have been a bit tight for storing your personal bits and bobs
you take to work. Would imagine that they were pretty rare ???

They were not THAT rare, at Tilcon our depot alone had around 20+ of them (tippers and powder tankers) and there were many more nationwide based at other quarries. Not a bad truck, you could just squeeze two people in the cab which we sometimes had to do on breakdowns but it was tight! Ivonbrook Quarries had a few as well locally, also ARC had a lot of tippers and mixers (ex St Ives Sand and Gravel I believe) but fitted with the 'dumper' type of half cab instead.

Pete.

Thanks Pete,coomsey for your comments !

Once again DEANB thanks for posting these superb photos. On the F88 agree that they do look better with the sun visor fitted. On that note remember when mating for Stevens running over Scammonden dam on the M62 a lorry passed us and when passed sudden wind gust blew visor slamming it back onto roof. I do remember driver saying it had happened before, and also another of Stevens F88 same problem smashing that one ,so was removed and never refitted. Just wondering if other drivers on here had same problem?

Never heard of that before ? Thanks for the observation.

Thanks Dean and Paul for the great photos, any more of Bakers of Southampton? Excellent shot of Bakers Volvo F89 and top timing, Jimski has just finished building a model of this very truck for me, which my uncle, Phil Dibden used to drive!

Fantastic model, the man has a gift indeed.
I remember when it was draged back from a water dyke, might have been France, and it needed a shovel to get the mud out from inside the cab before it could be put back together again, Eric was so relaxed about it I could not believe it. In my earley days knowing Mr Baker he would have gone loopy. Harvey

Lovely motor and model Harvey.

Hi Pete, don't recall any later than J reg n only Foden, would that be right?
Ideal for tipper work most lorries I drove never went anywhere near the passenger seat. N you could get to nearside window always a game on hot days on the road.Plenty of room for flask n snap.
Was there any payload gain? Paul

We had several J reg tippers but they were all short wheelbase 24 ton eight leggers. There were two J reg tankers, NRB 174 J and ORA 310 J, all the rest were long wheelbase thirty tonners on K plates. Several of the thirty tonners were recabbed with S40 Motor Panels cabs to give them a longer life as the half cabs rotted badly, plus there were insurance issues with there only being one door in case of an accident. I took most of them to North riding Garages at Middleton St George for recabbing and engine overhaul while the cabs were off. Payload was about the same as the plastic S39 cabbed ones I think, around 21 tonnes. They did plenty of distance work, Isle of Wight and back in the day and Truro, Scotland, Crediton and down into Kent were regular runs. Of course during winter the sugar factory at Felsted in Essex had a large tonnage of limestone daily so they were kept busy on that.

Pete.

Good point about only having one door !


DAF

F88

Transcon, looks like a removal truck ??

F88

ERF

Maggie

MAN, Dont think the ministry would be to impressed with that today ?

Dont see many Aveling Barford's on the road.

Crusader.

Tidy transcon.

[Buzzer]

Is the F88 with fridge a Greenaway from Cornwall used to do banana's, real memory jerkers on here boys, Buzzer.

[michel]

These Unic T 340 were built by Unic in their factory in Trappes ,west from Paris, the engine was a V8 one and gearbox was a 8 range homemade. The "group" cab was tilting , same as a Fiat one which did'nt on the Italian range.
It seems that the first one is from the Multi-Transport company who still exists in Le Puy en Velay ,but mainly owns Daf,Man and Mercedes.
The freight could be Michelin tyres.

[Stanfield]

Whats the odds that Mr B says something about the sheets on James Reid Ford Transcon.
Another cracking set of photos again DEANB thanks.

[DEANB]

Is the F88 with fridge a Greenaway from Cornwall used to do banana's, real memory jerkers on here boys, Buzzer.

Hello Buzzer, sorry chap cant tell blew the pic up but where its on the move cant make the name out.

These Unic T 340 were built by Unic in their factory in Trappes ,west from Paris, the engine was a V8 one and gearbox was a 8 range homemade. The "group" cab was tilting , same as a Fiat one which did'nt on the Italian range.
It seems that the first one is from the Multi-Transport company who still exists in Le Puy en Velay ,but mainly owns Daf,Man and Mercedes.
The freight could be Michelin tyres.

Michel, Thanks for the information. Out of intrest,does anyone know if the Unic brand was sold in the UK ?
I know the Fiat with the same cab was,but a french driver was asking me if Unic's were sold here. Although i
remember seeing Unic's i dont know if they were actually marketed here ???

Whats the odds that Mr B says something about the sheets on James Reid Ford Transcon.
Another cracking set of photos again DEANB thanks.

Funny you should mention that i thought exactly the same when i saw the sheet blowing in the wind. If you
look at the driver it looks like hes checking his mirror ! Probably muttering to himself .


Starting with a fine looking Foden tipper !

Thats an early F86

Single axle trailer on the TM,you dont see many of them these days.

ERF, was on here yesterday photographed in a different spot.

What can you say.....

Nice looking 6 wheeler TM.

DAF

Roman, i said originally that these were rare and then seemed to be posting alot of pics of them,thinking
that they must have been alot more common than i remembered. However Paul contacted me and assured
me they were rare but he always took a pic when he saw one ! Is that a Atkinson Borderer going the other
way ???

Seddon Atkinson 400

Merc looks a bit tired,could do with a wash !

[DEANB]

A few adverts from the period.

[DEANB]

ERF ,no easy sheets in those days!

Two Seddon Atkinsons running together from the same fleet.

Mercedes.

MAN

Another Seddon Atkinson

Breeding like rabbits !

I bet the scania draw-bar was fun to reverse !

Another scania

Like the scania the F86 must have been fun with that dolly.

[Retired Old Fart]

Thanks for that photo of J R Margrett's S-Atki, the driver of which was ...? Marshall. As a dedicated ERF fan, J.R. couldn't wait to get rid of the S/A- he reckoned that it spent twice as much time in the workshop (barn!) than the rest of the lorries put together.

[240 Gardner]

Is that a Atkinson Borderer going the other way ???

No, it's a Motor Panels cab, so likely to be a Seddon or a Guy Big J