Should there be a change in the law relating to drink driving ?
i e no limit just no alcohol in your system end of ? i no loads of drivers who enjoy a pint or two after work and whilst they me not be over the limit does that make it ok ? for me i no a a cpl of pints and a late night makes me a bit groggy in the morning so i stay clear my self whats your thoughts chaps ?
Zero tolerance wouldn’t work, clean your teeth in a morning and rinse with mouthwash that will leave you with an alcohol reading, many medications contain alcohol also.
The ■■■■■■■■ drink drivers would not be put off by such a move anyway, they have caught a guy round our way for the sixth time now (dd), still no prison sentence but a 7 year ban, he was already banned for 6 years anyway.
I hate drink drivers but what would lowering the limit achieve? If you have the mentality of a drink driver, it doesn’t matter what the drink drive limit is, you’re still going to drive.
I suppose it depends on how many accidents are caused by those who have been drinking, but aren’t over the limit. Without these figures it’s hard to make a proper argument for it.
It would also be the nail in the coffin for many pubs
thehairyarsedtrucker:
It would also be the nail in the coffin for many pubs
Are there any left since the smoking ban created the death knell of most ?
Lowering the limit is a bad idea.
It will simply criminalise people that would normally be considered decent law abiding citizens.
Suicides would increase, House repossesions would increase, and the amount of people living on benefits would increase.
raymundo:
thehairyarsedtrucker:
It would also be the nail in the coffin for many pubsAre there any left since the smoking ban created the death knell of most ?
Yes. The ones that diversified, went into food and are to be found stuffed full of people most evenings and weekends.
It’s a toss up for me whether I prefer pubs to smell of stale fried foods or stale ■■■ smoke.
m1cks:
I suppose it depends on how many accidents are caused by those who have been drinking, but aren’t over the limit.
There has been research carried out which suggests lowering the limit will also decrease deaths and accidents caused by drink driving, although I can’t find a link at the moment.
Just because you can have a couple and then feel groggy next morning, doesnt mean everyone else does, we all have a different metabolism, and me personally can drink a dozen cans, and although i would fail a breath test, would not feel groggy, would not affect my ability to function either, so every one is so different. I might add that i always did have a few beers in the cab of an evening, would never knowingly drink drive ( that means over the limit ) but each to ones own i guess. I find however that the older you get, the less you want, and thats the same with ciggies, i pack them up ( again ) 2 months ago, but if people want to smoke around me, thats no problem, and the same in pubs, if it smells of smoke ( which they dont since the ban ) i dont care, and i also love the smell of freshly cooked food, so thats no problem either, and i think its a great shame that our culture of a pint after work has gone, and so have so many of the pubs which once were an institution, and also not forgetting the humble working mans club ( CIU Affiliated dont forget ) which was to supposedly to stop them from closing, but funny how the Conservative club isnt suffering the same fate, are they trying to stuff the working classes…just wondering.
truckyboy:
but funny how the Conservative club isnt suffering the same fate, are they trying to stuff the working classes…just wondering.
I doubt it - our glorious leaders who have never had to work/scrimp/save or wipe their own arses wouldn’t tell us lies, jam tomorrow apparently, why is it always tomorrow or after the next election and why is it always the fault of the disabled or jobless? Silly me I thought the job of a government was to look after the poorest in society and not kick them while they are already down while they make themselves even richer … or did I miss something?
zero tolerance? what a load of ■■■■■■■■. i sometimes like a couple of drinks in the evening and i am quite fine to drive next day at todays limits.not being able to have a drink in the evening is not going to make me any safer the next day.
and those that get p1ssed up and drive at todays limits are not going to be put off by a zero limit-they’ll still do it whatever the bloody limit!!!
Ok so judging by the replys imm assuming most people think it ok to indulge in a cpl of drinks in the evening so lets change it slightly what about drugs then should there be a leval of tollerence for them as well ?
Interesting no comments on that , i only ask as i dont really drink or take drugs but i fail to see any real differance between doing either as they both alter and affect jugement and they both are potentualy addictive and they both wear off in time but stay in your system
The kit we have at our place to test for drink & driving gives a false reading if you’ve had a coffee recently, what good is that if there’s zero tolerance ?
truckyboy:
Just because you can have a couple and then feel groggy next morning, doesnt mean everyone else does, we all have a different metabolism, and me personally can drink a dozen cans, and although i would fail a breath test, would not feel groggy, would not affect my ability to function either, so every one is so different. I might add that i always did have a few beers in the cab of an evening, would never knowingly drink drive ( that means over the limit ) but each to ones own i guess. I find however that the older you get, the less you want, and thats the same with ciggies, i pack them up ( again ) 2 months ago, but if people want to smoke around me, thats no problem, and the same in pubs, if it smells of smoke ( which they dont since the ban ) i dont care, and i also love the smell of freshly cooked food, so thats no problem either, and i think its a great shame that our culture of a pint after work has gone, and so have so many of the pubs which once were an institution, and also not forgetting the humble working mans club ( CIU Affiliated dont forget ) which was to supposedly to stop them from closing, but funny how the Conservative club isnt suffering the same fate, are they trying to stuff the working classes…just wondering.
If you think you wouldn’t be affected by a dozen cans of beer (for driving) you are deluding yourself (unless perhaps you mean the following day in which case you may well be OK). I agree everyone is different, and you may well not be as impaired as some, but it would have some affect on you, unless you are superhuman. Alcohol does, it’s a well proven and established fact.
However, I do agree with you that a can or two after work is unlikely to make a huge difference and lowering the limit is pointless for reasons already discussed i.e. law breakers will still do it whatever the limit. 
Would it not be more sense to better enforce the limit we have.
I bet everyone knows someone who regularly drinks and drives.
I can name 5 without thinking too hard. Because I live in the country old bill aren’t bothered as much.
I’ve reported 2 of them and it’s the same story. Have to catch them at it.
Can’t be arsed to traipse out at night when they’re only single crewed and miles away to catch someone who’s not really a danger to anyone bar themselves because of the locality and how few people there are about at that time of night
bjd:
Ok so judging by the replys imm assuming most people think it ok to indulge in a cpl of drinks in the evening so lets change it slightly what about drugs then should there be a leval of tollerence for them as well ?
no because drugs are illegal fullstop where as alcohol is not. i know a couple of pints on a evening is going to be out my system in the morning. i don’t know how long billy or waccy takes to get out of your system and being a non smoker will never find out (not partial to sticking a rolled up £20note up my nose and snorting ■■■■ either).
fingers:
bjd:
Ok so judging by the replys imm assuming most people think it ok to indulge in a cpl of drinks in the evening so lets change it slightly what about drugs then should there be a leval of tollerence for them as well ?no because drugs are illegal fullstop where as alcohol is not. i know a couple of pints on a evening is going to be out my system in the morning. i don’t know how long billy or waccy takes to get out of your system and being a non smoker will never find out (not partial to sticking a rolled up £20note up my nose and snorting [zb] either).
Ok so drugs as you say are illegal but thats another argument all together but the affects are suley much the same i har this debate with someone over xmas as he prefers drugs to drink and after i have to admit i couldent disagree with the points he made as they where very valid