although i,m in favour of getting rid of the work shy, what is this going to do to the economy?? some will get sacked maybe 3 or 4 times or more then they in effect become unemployable,(probably what the individual wants anyway) maybe it should be a case of what is classed as an acceptable days work, if an employee constantly drops below this then pay reflects this?? I dunno the answer but i get fed up with working my arse off whilst others are sat on their arses all day claiming this and that benefit…
The last place I worked was like something from the 70’s. People there for fifteen years, their fathers before them, heavily unionised, local agreements, bonuses for this that and the other, etc etc.
It was the easiest job I ever had.
It was also full of the most miserable, workshy, lazy, incompetent, ungrateful pig-ignorant, shysters I have ever met. There was a guy off sick for a year, full pay inc bonuses, the lot. He was playing the system and hoping for a payoff. I could go on, but you get the gist of it.
The only decent blokes there were the contractors and the manager.
I knew the place and the systems inside out because I was the union rep.
I tell you from experience, we need a new union organisation. The current one is a joke.
They have zero credibility with employers, that’s why many employers refuse to recognise them. They did it to themselves, that is why this legislation is coming, to stop unions holding firms to ransom over every petty incident that they can.
Happydaze:
The last place I worked was like something from the 70’s. People there for fifteen years, their fathers before them, heavily unionised, local agreements, bonuses for this that and the other, etc etc.It was the easiest job I ever had.
It was also full of the most miserable, workshy, lazy, incompetent, ungrateful pig-ignorant, shysters I have ever met. There was a guy off sick for a year, full pay inc bonuses, the lot. He was playing the system and hoping for a payoff. I could go on, but you get the gist of it.
Il be dammed, you must have been working at the same place that i do!! 
Happydaze:
I tell you from experience, we need a new union organisation. The current one is a joke.
Bloody well right because for the most part all the existing ones do is protect the lazy ■■■■■■■ 
Would be ironic if a company employed a TM who secretly disliked arse-lickers and decided to sack them all under the proposed legislation. Some of the super-dooper drivers on this forum who think themselves above everyone else would be up in arms when they had to sign on with all the other dross eh?
Solly:
:lol: Would be ironic if a company employed a TM who secretly disliked arse-lickers and decided to sack them all under the proposed legislation. Some of the super-dooper drivers on this forum who think themselves above everyone else would be up in arms when they had to sign on with all the other dross eh?
Do you endorse laziness? Do you feel that some should work harder than others? Have you any idea how businesses run and why they do?
If these plans go through, should the 40mph drivers be in fear of the dole? I know of one tipper firm that operate in Oxfordshire that’ve sacked a driver for this.
Driver did get a “gift” for not writing a nice letter to the TC…
NathanB:
If these plans go through, should the 40mph drivers be in fear of the dole? I know of one tipper firm that operate in Oxfordshire that’ve sacked a driver for this.
Driver did get a “gift” for not writing a nice letter to the TC…
Now that’s when you need a union. Genuine grievances like that.
Not for taking the position that menstruating at work is a Health & Safety issue. (I kid you not).
Why should I have to give several weeks notice to an employee and then perhaps redundancy payments when all I usually get is a weeks notice and then I will be lucky if its a full one.
Pursy
Its not easy to fire an employee.They can take you for unfair dismissal and go to a tribunal and get compensated for unfair dismissal and be reinstated if the tribunal comes down on their side.
Their is quite a process to go through before you can just sack someone.
Happydaze:
Solly:
:lol: Would be ironic if a company employed a TM who secretly disliked arse-lickers and decided to sack them all under the proposed legislation. Some of the super-dooper drivers on this forum who think themselves above everyone else would be up in arms when they had to sign on with all the other dross eh?Do you endorse laziness? Do you feel that some should work harder than others? Have you any idea how businesses run and why they do?
If the employee was ‘lazy’ that employee would have got sacked within the period before any protection kicked in anyway.But yeah great idea ‘for employers’ under your rules no redundancy payments just say the employee is lazy (after working for years for the employer) and save all the redundancy payments.
Dave the Renegade:
Its not easy to fire an employee.
Nor should it be.This is 2012 not 1912.
And after we have all been sacked & can’t claim benefits we can sleep soundly at night knowing that at least the government statistics say unemployment is down as fewer are claiming dole …
Judging by the way I was sacked from my last job (Friday night, “empty your truck, see ya”)
Which just this friday has happened to another driver at the same firm
I’m thinking it’s already too easy and you no longer feel secure in a job
kemaro:
Lord sugar gives a bit of a speech then says “and for that reason , your fired”…I there are lazy 'ucks in every work place that should be kicked out , for this there is a disciplinary procedure, but this proposal would open the door for every small business & company to decide on a whim that they don’t need you when things are quiet, of you go , no reason , no redundancy & no rights and, like was said here probably no right to benefits etc thus making the unemployment figures look better , and any vacancies will be filled on an ad hoc basis, basically making every body a self employed agency worker , there will be no point signing a contract of employment…
Isn’t this the “dynamic, flexible workforce” that’s supposed to make us more competitive abroad?
The only thing that’s competitive abroad is UK jobs competing to snap up foreign workers!
If there were no people who could afford to work 84 hours for £6.18 ph and afford to pay a £800pm rent or mortgage, then wages would have no choice but to rise, lest the job doesn’t get done, and the firm goes under.
Enter “competitive workforce” from abroad (including the third world north of watford gap it seems!) who aid and abet all these idiots running everything to get their own way.
Stopping immigration and/or scrapping no limit rent benefits will go a long way to restoring wage differentials where they should be. No one is saying that sitting on your arse holding a steering wheel is rocket science, but it SHOULD pay more than filling shelves, cleaning toilets, or just turning up at some office moving paper from one side of a desk to another right? 
truckerjon:
Don’t forget to doff your hat and tug your forelock everytime the boss walks by, and if he has a bit of mud on his boots, don’t forget to crawl on the floor and lick them, you don’t want to get the sack now do you?
If the boss is a dog-loving man of Sugar’s background, then you’ll need to hide you cat and hide that ■■■■■■■■ as well! 
kemaro:
imagine picking up your pay on Friday with a note to say don’t bother coming in Monday , good bye ,…
I don’t need to imagine, I’ve been stuck on agency for over 5 years now, where I’m afraid to say… that’s the norm treatment. No luck finding a full time gig yet… 
Its not easy to fire an employee.They can take you for unfair dismissal and go to a tribunal and get compensated for unfair dismissal and be reinstated if the tribunal comes down on their side.
Their is quite a process to go through before you can just sack someone.
Pure tosh, in todays world.
tribunals ,even if coming down in the sacked workers favour can only order reinstatement, they cannot enforce it.
The make up of tribunals has also been altered to favour the employer.
The only time it is difficult to sack a worker now is when there is no genuine reason and even then it’s still fairly risk free for the employer.
Realistically even if you are reinstated I’d say your position is pretty much untenable anyway.
The “troublesome driver” that needs to be sacked of course defines someone who:
1)Defects vehicles
2)Takes 1/2 hr longer to do a job because he sticks to the speed limits
3)Asks for a seal to be broken to check load security
4)Takes longer to get out of the yard in the morning because he checks the vehicle and load
5)Checks his delivery documents and points out that it MAY not be possible to complete all drops in the day or:
He MAY require to be relieved 45 minutes drive from the depot because he has run out of hours
6)Does not record standing in an RDC waiting room as Break
7)Does not “pull the card” when he gets back into the depot at 14hrs 50 minutes in order to disguise the fact that it took another 35/40 minutes to queue to refuel, complete paperwork, drop trailer off at workshop for service etc. - all of course unpaid.
Parks up an hour away from the depot because he will not do 7
9)Points out the glaringly obvious calculation that the number of cartons (to be) loaded will make the vehicle overweight
10)Reminds the office 3 times during the week that he needs to be home Friday night
no smiley on original
employers need employees, just as much as the employees need employers.
they won’t sack someone that is any good will they?
just like some of us won’t work for a ■■■■■■.