Your actual salary Vs guaranteed

So, I am going to be applying for a mortgage in the next few months which got me thinking.

when I meet the bank man and he wants to see my yearly salary, as the nature of this job is unpredictable would you show what your guaranteed to earn (guaranteed 50 hrs p.w) or what your actual end of year shows after overtime, bonuses, allowances, night out money. Because the difference between my guaranteed salary and what I’ve actually earned past 2 years is 3,000, now obviously not all that extra is in my pocket due to night out expenses.

But the bank man could probably turn round and say what if the overtime and bonuses, nights out stopped?

I know there’s always a debate on whether night out allowance should count towards your earnings and I say each to their own opinion, but in terms of your finances and applying for credit where do we stand with this one?

When we got our mortgage they did the calculations based on your salary not inc overtime/bonuses/night premium

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Take in a handful of pay slips,and your last p60. Should suffice.

Never borrow on what you might earn, but on what you do earn on basic income

Alfa1M:
But the bank man could probably turn round and say what if the overtime and bonuses, nights out stopped?

He would of course be correct to ask the question - how would you keep up the payments in that situation?

Work on your basic plus guaranteed hours, nothing over and above the 50 and definitely not including n/out money and bonuses as they can stop at anytime
Your P60 showing earnings of 3,000 over your guaranteed gives you cash to spare, showing your not maxing out your spending

When I did mine, they were only interested in my basic wage.

If your desperate then I think you can make a case by presenting a pile of payslips, but to be honest I think if you get to that stage your probably over-stretching yourself.

Alfa1M:
So, I am going to be applying for a mortgage in the next few months which got me thinking.

when I meet the bank man and he wants to see my yearly salary, as the nature of this job is unpredictable would you show what your guaranteed to earn (guaranteed 50 hrs p.w) or what your actual end of year shows after overtime, bonuses, allowances, night out money. Because the difference between my guaranteed salary and what I’ve actually earned past 2 years is 3,000, now obviously not all that extra is in my pocket due to night out expenses.

But the bank man could probably turn round and say what if the overtime and bonuses, nights out stopped?

I know there’s always a debate on whether night out allowance should count towards your earnings and I say each to their own opinion, but in terms of your finances and applying for credit where do we stand with this one?

Lenders didn’t used to take “overtime” into account, but they WILL count “regular allowances” on the payslips presented.

I used to have a low basic, but put in a lot of overtime that came up on the payslip as “Scheduled Attendence”. When the bank asked what this was, I suggested it was an increase beyond my contracted weekly hours RATHER than admitting it was just “contract overtime”. As a result, this SA was taken into account when calculating the amount I could borrow, and I duly got my mortgage. I’ve never had any trouble meeting my mortgage payments since, so I hardly “Over-stretched myself”. Lenders DO seem to be impressed by this Trucker’s thing where 55-60 hour weeks are commonplace. I’m pretty sure that since the crackdown in lending criteria - I’d NOT be able to switch to another mortgage if I wished to do so TODAY, because I’ve spent 7 of the last 10 years on agency.

The trick is “Make sure you get the correct mortgage in the FIRST place that one doesn’t have to change”.

It was worth signing upto what was then an SVR - just to get my foot on the door as a first time buyer back in the day, but soon after that - I switched to a lifetime tracker, and never looked back.

My lender asked me “What would you do if you were made redundant one day?” to which I replied “The only way I’m going to be made redundant, is if the slump is so bad, that interest rates collapse trying to dig us out of that slump”. 4 years later, that judgement paid off when interest rates duly collapsed - with me now on a BoE (rather than SVR) rate tracker - so they cannot fiddle it.

People at Stockton Building Society - got ripped off the worst, because they make up any rate they like that their mortgagees have to fork out for… The Bank of England rate however - has been pretty quiet for over a decade now. Always opt in to the deal that the system doesn’t want you to opt-into. ALL financial products signed up to - require the “buyer” to TAKE A VIEW ON THE MARKET.

If you don’t know how to bet then - you ain’t gonna know how to “win” - are you? :smiling_imp: :smiley: :stuck_out_tongue:
It is a political process.

Night out money is never included as it is compensation for an expense. Basically taxable income is the only bit they’re interested in and your night out money doesn’t show up on your P60.

When we applied for a mortgage of 17 grand in 1983 ‘they’ wouldn’t accept overtime or bonuses and my wifes wage had to be included which we had wanted to avoid. They would only accept my basic wage, which I rarely got as there was plenty of overtime available and which almost doubled my basic. I doubt that things have changed?

Pete.

Recently got a new mortgage. When applying, they only took into account my guaranteed 50 hours.

No nights out or overtime. Just what I would earn on my “basic”

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I sometimes wonder that if in today’s cracked down upon Mortgage Market - you don’t just “only” get 75% loan-to-value, meaning you require a 25% deposit - but you also only get 3.5x one’s “guaranteed salary” defined as “How much do you get paid - after you’ve been off sick on Oncology treatment for a year”…

There are far too many firms in my mind - that do NOT pay sick pay to actual full time staff, instead leaving employees to rely upon SSP, which both isn’t a lot AND takes a while to qualify for. So much for what we pay IN for via NICs! :frowning:

All I’ll say is my lad at age age 23 bought his first house in November with a 5% deposit and they took all his hours into account, not just the basic. That was with Halifax.

Alfa1M:
So, I am going to be applying for a mortgage in the next few months which got me thinking.

when I meet the bank man and he wants to see my yearly salary, as the nature of this job is unpredictable would you show what your guaranteed to earn (guaranteed 50 hrs p.w) or what your actual end of year shows after overtime, bonuses, allowances, night out money. Because the difference between my guaranteed salary and what I’ve actually earned past 2 years is 3,000, now obviously not all that extra is in my pocket due to night out expenses.

But the bank man could probably turn round and say what if the overtime and bonuses, nights out stopped?

I know there’s always a debate on whether night out allowance should count towards your earnings and I say each to their own opinion, but in terms of your finances and applying for credit where do we stand with this one?

You simply do what everyone before you did put it all in and let them decide
Its not rocket science it depends on how much you need

nightline:
put it all in and let them decide

Which is actually the right answer.
No matter what you read on here, ultimately its the lender/underwriter who decides if OT, night out money or anything else is included. Your income is only part of what they base your affordability on.

Nationwide take into account overtime

Overtime can be used but it is worth considering yourself how far you want to push yourself. I wouldn’t gamble on long days always being there, however a contracted 6th shift (say a Saturday 1 in 3), I’d happily be accounting for.

I believe (could be wrong) they will ask for proof of the last 3 months, so if you put in a load of overtime in over Christmas which pushed up your salary it will no longer be accounted.

Although as said above, show them every slip of paper you have and let them decide!