The bloke is clueless to the point of not knowing about 24 hour work periods and charts FFS! 
I’d expect this mentality from an EE non driver! 
dessy:
Why should drivers who do know their [zb] have to be dumbed down to the lowest common denominator? i.e the ignorant of the regs! Most who work day in day out or night made the effort to get the knowledge required! Your not allowed to do this with any other group of people in our society!
I don’t get what your saying here Dessy. If I’m reading it wrong then help me out here because you seem to be saying that drivers who knows the the driving regs have to be dumbed down so they are ignorant of the driving regs? Most may have made some effort but there is a big enough body who haven’t.
Case in point a guy who came into our place, real old timer, could drive up hill, down dale, backwards, forwards, if you asked nicely could probably have done sideways as well. The thing is he learnt on spring suspension and didn’t have a clue about air, didn’t want to know either his stock answer was “never needed it before don’t need it now”.
You could see him drive with tyres rubbing guards, hooking up was hit or miss, he even over ran the pin on one occasion, usually just slammed into the trailer to get under. the cost in premature wear and damage was dreadful for such a skilled steering wheel attendant.
I’m saying that seasoned drivers who know their stuff are seen as equal in qualification to the soldier above who obviously hasn’t given the job even a little bit of research!! I loose track of what I’m typing after one or two sentences on a Sunday mate! 
dessy:
I’m saying that seasoned drivers who know their stuff are seen as equal in qualification to the soldier above who obviously hasn’t given the job even a little bit of research!! I loose track of what I’m typing after one or two sentences on a Sunday mate!
Gotcha…I find beers have the same effect.
dessy:
! Nothing more and defitely not TRAINING!!
How can you possibly say it isn’t training? I had 7 lads in the room. Every one of them learnt something they didn’t know - especially this one lad who learnt lots.
One lad was a very seasoned driver, been driving artics for the last 20 years yet he had more questions than anyone else when it came to digi tachos because he had never been shown. he was avoiding manual entries he knew he should be making simply because he didn’t know how to do it. he does now. he was writing down his driving time throughout the day because he didn’t know he could view it on screen.
Another lad who mainly works in the warehouse but occasionally drove as a stand in now know he needs to carry records for the days he worked in the warehouse if he drives in that week. he certainly didn’t know that before the course.
Another thought he could extend his driving time to 10 hours as many times as he liked as long is wasn’t twice in a row. i.e. 10, 9, 10, 9, 10, 9 . it also became clear his normal working pattern involved a 14 hour duty period EVERY day meaning he only ever got 10 hours daily rest. he aint chuffed now cos he’s gonna lose his overtime
Four of them had never ever seen a digital tacho. They now know how to login, perform manual entries, make printouts and understand those print outs. of course they may forget some of this and when a digi vehicle finally enters their workplace may struggle, but they were supplied with appropiate reading material to jog their memory.
yes they could all have found this information online or asked on a forum such as this, but none of them did.
I blame the employers. it is clear in all the above cases the employer has never trained or even helped these lads and that isn’t the drivers’ fault and is plain wrong. there again none of them asked either. Luckily their boss was paying for the training in all but one case. the one who was paying for his own training had specifically booked this course to get to know the digi tacho better and felt it was money well spent. he actually said nobody else where he worked seemed to be able to help him.
I felt I had a good day. I helped all 7 that were on the course and made myself a few quid at the same time.
Still gotta laugh at the 7 day tacho though 
I’m trying to get hold of a few charts so i can scan them as ‘how not to do it examples’
I personally reckon training like this is imperative, however, I do think it should be assessment based rather than just attendance. Thats what decreases its value in my eyes and makes it little more than a tax on drivers.
If we all had to pass an exam it might just get some rubbish dangerous drivers off the road.
coreysboys:
I personally reckon training like this is imperative, however, I do think it should be assessment based rather than just attendance. Thats what decreases its value in my eyes and makes it little more than a tax on drivers.If we all had to pass an exam it might just get some rubbish dangerous drivers off the road.
people have to do a theory test, and hazard perception test nowadays. that should be enough.
GasGas:
So, when did the army guy pass his test, and did he manage to pass modules 2 & 4 with that level of knowledge?
Went to a Nightfreight interview 5 / 6 months back, Lad aged 22 had just come back from Afghanistan, he had his class 2 / 1, i asked him what sort of weight he drove, he just said they just chuck things on back in the army and dont bother with weights (somebody confirm please)
According to him some officers got their license without anything really sinister, because according to him all that mattered was that the officers were one up on the people they were handing orders to.
I still wonder to this day whether he was pulling my leg
Don’t know about officers getting licences, in my day, 79 to 99, they never took any truck licence as they were never allowed to drive. Something to do with now wanting officers involved in accidents being held responsible.
It’s not just forces personnel that have little or no clue regarding Tacho rules. I worked for a drainage company for 6 years, none of the vactor drivers, that’s the class 2 water carrier with a high pressure pump fitted, had a clue. Vehicles were exempt Tacho rules but they didn’t even know about speed limits, they thought I was kidding when I told them about 40 mph on sc and 50 mph on dc. When busy we once worked every day from 2nd jan to Easter Friday, a total of 14 weeks, every day. Try getting that passed vosa.
Ive got the tacho part of my dcpc to do soon and having not driven anything more than 3 hours in a day for 5 years I hope theres not too many questions about what you can and cant do !!
Ive been driving a transit with a trailer for 3 years !!
voodoo1:
GasGas:
So, when did the army guy pass his test, and did he manage to pass modules 2 & 4 with that level of knowledge?Went to a Nightfreight interview 5 / 6 months back, Lad aged 22 had just come back from Afghanistan, he had his class 2 / 1, i asked him what sort of weight he drove, he just said they just chuck things on back in the army and dont bother with weights (somebody confirm please)
According to him some officers got their license without anything really sinister, because according to him all that mattered was that the officers were one up on the people they were handing orders to.
I still wonder to this day whether he was pulling my leg
Weight issues might not be a problem depending what he drove.
If he’s class two it was probably an 8 wheeler drops.
Carry a payload of up to about 17 - 18 tons
Most loads will be about 15 tons and he puls up lifts it on his back and is away.
They now how much each pallet of ammo weighs for instance so they can work the weight out from there.
If he’s been driving HET’s (heavy equipment tractors) then they have 70 ton to play with = one big tank or two warriers.
Officers don’t just get licenses to “get one up on those they comand”
The boss is still the boss no matter who he is or what he holds.
If everyones got Class one then he can’t top it anyhoo can he?
Both HRH’s had to learn to drive light armour before posting to the HCR and I’m sure they didn’t need to get one up on anyone.
It just makes sense for everyone to have the same licenses so they can all drive the vehicles.
As to the tacho’s I was the same when I came out.
Although I knew you needed one daily, one company wanted it out as soon as I stopped driving the other wanted it left in all night to prove I had the rest and the wagon didn’t move.
One firm had a handy list of “spare” names so we always had enough time to do what was asked of us.
At least if DCPC gets everyone singing of teh same hym sheet it’ll have worked.
shep532:
He has been using 1 chart per week. I asked if anyone had ever said anything after he handed his charts in. Turns out he hasn’t handed any in because another driver told him to wait until he has 28 charts … which he still hasn’t got after just 6 months
LMFAO, that is PRICELESS
shep532:
Whilst delivering a DCPC course on drivers hours and digi tachos yesterday I was asked a question that virtually made me speechless (which doesn’t happen often)We had reached the part in the course that covers analogue tachos. At this point I try to judge who knows what in the room and whether we can ‘skip’ through this bit. No point in teaching granny to ■■■■ eggs eh?
So … someone asked a quick question about filling in the start and end dates at the beginning of the shift. I answered with “Don’t fill the end date in until the end of the shift”. At this point a youngish lad at the back said … wait for it …
“Hang on - do I have to use a chart every day? I put one in on Monday and take it out Friday” I was stunned and fell silent just looking at the lad. Everyone in the room turned round to look at him. After what felt like minutes all I could say was “You are kidding aren’t you?”
He had gone rather red and clearly wasn’t kidding. After a few questions it seems the lad left the Army 6 months ago and has worked at this one company since. He has been using 1 chart per week. I asked if anyone had ever said anything after he handed his charts in. Turns out he hasn’t handed any in because another driver told him to wait until he has 28 charts … which he still hasn’t got after just 6 months
His company is on a restricted ops licence - therefore doesn’t need a qualified transport manager and apparently ‘Mary’ in the admin office looks after the tachos
I was going to speak to the boss on Monday to sell my services looking after their tacho’s and compliance - but I don’t want to drop the lad in the [zb]. So we agreed I would not contact the company and as from Monday he now knows what to do.
Does make me wonder how many other such companies exist out there
I thought it was funny …
This didn’t happen.
More like another made up " trainer story " that trainers are prone to erm…make up.
5/10 for effort - must try harder.
Trainers have to justify getting paid for a job they are doing by default, if they were not ‘trainers’ what would they be doing?
Tiger.
You do dont you but it works both ways like the bloody idiot who was telling our drivers during their dcpc ““training”” that add blu is “bovine urine” (bulls ■■■■ to me and you) or that the ice rails on top of trailers are fitted for aero dynamic efficiency or that if a lamp is fitted on a truck or trailer it “has” to work or its illegal to drive it or even that its illegal to drive a with a trailer if the feet can swing at the end of the legs!!!
Yes there is some thick buggers out there driving them but even though you are some super bloody dooper "“dcpc trainer” if you dont know what the hell your talking about better to keep your gob shut if you dont know what your on about eh??
Lets remember a 2 week bloody course dont give you 40 years experience.
Dont try and teach your mother to ■■■■ eggs.
when i first started in recovery, i was working entirely ‘out of scope’ so only had a chart in to stop the annoying ‘driving without chart’ message on the dash. i would replace it when it wore through 
for the drivers who did the occasional tacho run, there was a box labelled ‘used tacho charts’ in the office, that was just the paper recycling box
jammymutt:
Ive got the tacho part of my dcpc to do soon and having not driven anything more than 3 hours in a day for 5 years I hope theres not too many questions about what you can and cant do !!Ive been driving a transit with a trailer for 3 years !!
most transits with trailers require tachos too. might want to double check your vehicles M.A.M.
Was on a similar course a while back 1 driver had never passed a test got his through grandfather right now he did learn a thing or two even though had been driving artics over 40 yr
As did a few of us either learn or pick up a few tips
The DCPC is ok but not in its present format think it need a review
The problem is now too many drivers sit in there cabs on there phones or other devices where as a few years ago there were driver mates who learnt & picked up from the driver so they then became drivers etc that dont happen now & nobody has time to explain every employer just expect a driver to know
This just shows why army drivers have such a bad reputation within civvy street
James Bateman2:
This didn’t happen.
More like another made up " trainer story " that trainers are prone to erm…make up.
5/10 for effort - must try harder.
And why would I do that? Did I gain anything from it?
There again it is a sort of “You couldn’t make it up” story but unfortuantely it is perfectly true and demonstrates what does actually go on out there in ‘driver land’.
I just thought it was a rather amusing incident …
I suppose it’d be different if i was a driver that was on the course and was relaying the story. of course it’d be perfectly true and great then but because I’m not a driver I must therefore be a ■■■■■■
shep532:
James Bateman2:
This didn’t happen.
More like another made up " trainer story " that trainers are prone to erm…make up.
5/10 for effort - must try harder.And why would I do that? Did I gain anything from it?
There again it is a sort of “You couldn’t make it up” story but unfortuantely it is perfectly true and demonstrates what does actually go on out there in ‘driver land’.
I just thought it was a rather amusing incident …
I suppose it’d be different if i was a driver that was on the course and was relaying the story. of course it’d be perfectly true and great then but because I’m not a driver I must therefore be a [zb]
Have to admit it wasn’t as good as your other " story " on the DCPC what do you want from it ? thread…
The ahem " story " of the lad being paid £50 to use his bosses digi card when his own " ran out " 
I bet that pearler has em rolling in the aisles eh ?