You dont need a Spare Roll Paper

lovlyperson · 15 January 2012 14:10

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Frequently
Asked Questions
What does the Digital Tachograph record?
Answer
It records drivers’ activities, speed, distances, identification data of the vehicle, of the tachograph fitted, calibration data as well as faults and attempts to manipulate the system.
To get more information on this issue, go on the Key Elements Section of this website, go to How to Use It part that has a page on What Does the Digital Tachograph Record.
Asked Questions
How will roadside checks be carried out in the future?
Answer
Since there will be no retrofitting of digital tachograph for existing vehicles already equipped with analogue tachograph, both vehicles equipped with analogue tachograph or digital tachograph will be controlled on the road by control authorities.
The fact that a digital tachograph records data on a longer period (28 days for the driver card and 365 days for the vehicle unit) does not change enforcement rules.
Controlled periods remain on a 7-day basis.
Data can be accessed via the display, via printouts or can be downloaded. It is strongly recommended for control officers to be equipped to get access to download data. If not, they have to be trained to be able to deal with printed data. Checking drivers’ activities through the display is possible but should, as far as possible, be avoided.

Asked Questions
In case of roadside check, what documents shall the driver provide?
Answer
A - When driving and using a analogue tachograph
When a driver drives a vehicle equipped with an analogue tachograph but has driven a vehicle equipped with a digital tachograph during the previous 8 days, the driver has to produce the following materials, if requested by the police officer:
ï¿½ Record sheets for the current week and the sheet for the last day on which (s)he drove during the previous week,

ï¿½ The driver card if (s)he holds one,

ï¿½ Print-outs from the Vehicle Unit of the digital tachograph if (s)he drove a vehicle fitted with such recording equipment during the previous 8-day period.

B - When driving and using a Digital Tachograph
If a driver drives a vehicle equipped with a digital tachograph but has driven a vehicle equipped with an analogue tachograph during the previous 8-day period, (s)he has to produce the following information, if requested by the police officer:
ï¿½ His/her personal driver card,

ï¿½ Record sheets corresponding to the period during which (s)he drove a vehicle fitted with an analogue tachograph.

Asked Questions
Can all Digital Tachographs be checked with a Control Card?
Answer
Yes.
All cards must function in all Vehicle Unit, everywhere in European Union and AETR countries.
Control card gives access to all data stored in the vehicle unit, without limitation. It also gives access to data download.

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m4rky · 15 January 2012 14:30

I don’t know why drivers stress out at this sort of thing its probably because that have not been stopped by VOSA.

I’ve been stopped twice in two weeks at the ports and not once have they asked for print outs.

If they want lots of information they will down load it end of story. Also although its a PITA being stopped they just do their job and send you on your way - Just maybe a bit lighter in the pocket

wheel_nut · 15 January 2012 14:36

merc0447:
Do you know how expensive tacho paper is? [zb] ridiculous btw

Ive no took a print out in about a year people that do ever shift make me want to tear my eyes out, its like throwing money away.

£2.60 for 90 feet of paper

coffeeholic · 15 January 2012 14:42

Lovlyperson:
http://dtc.jrc.it/helpdesk_faq.php

Frequently
Asked Questions…

A lot of that is several years out of date.

Record sheets for the current week and the sheet for the last day on which (s)he drove during the previous week

That hasn’t been true since May 2006 for instance.

merc0447 · 15 January 2012 14:56

Wheel Nut:

merc0447:
Do you know how expensive tacho paper is? [zb] ridiculous btw

Ive no took a print out in about a year people that do ever shift make me want to tear my eyes out, its like throwing money away.

£2.60 for 90 feet of paper

Which equates to about 15 sheets of A4 and if you a 1000 drivers on fleet using 1.5 rolls a week taking printouts everyday thats £1300.

Its a needless expense and if i ran my own fleet the drivers would get ■■■■■ slapped if they done printouts, sounding like a stereotypical money counting scotsman here

mike-c · 15 January 2012 15:10

bald bloke:
Could vosa make you do a 28 day print out if they were really in that sort of mood ?

No they couldn’t. Beyond making sure the VU can actually print they have no power to make you print anything.

green456 · 15 January 2012 20:44

zzarbean:
If the company is supplying the rolls no problem.
Working on agency you must have 28 days records with you so an end of shift print out is still the easiest way, especially if you get the odd analogue fitted vehicle. But doing nights I get two days worth every print out. Most companies I work for now do not want print-outs at end of shift but still expect them returned after the 28 day limit

Sufficient means having enough paper to print out whatever VOSA asks for and 28 days would be over 3 rolls worth if you had to do it all at once

why do you have to do printouts you are only printing whats recorded on your digicard so as long as you have that then you have got all the records you require and if you get the odd anologue fitted vehicle then you cant print out ■■■■ all
and bye the way all drivers have to have 28 days records not just SPECIAL agency bods

saratoga · 16 January 2012 17:26

Being an agency driver I usually take a print out at the end of the day, but some times have been foxed by this because there isn’t any tacho paper in the truck. Mentioning it either brings up the option of why I should I need a print out or that I should provide my own paper, to the point I have given up complaining.

If I can’t get a print out I’ll make a note in my work diary but otherwise carry on.

I do carry spare rolls, that were ■■■■ expensive from the motorway services where I bought them from. So I’ve got 2 in my work bag.

If you’re in the same truck every day doing the same shift I can see why you can not be bothered to do a print out.

waddy640 · 16 January 2012 20:26

I’ve got a couple of dozen in my bag at present, just in case I need one.

washy_jnr · 16 January 2012 20:32

waddy640:
I’ve got a couple of dozen in my bag at present, just in case I need one.

Keep 3 rolls in the cab plus 3 rolls in my bag in case i swap units during the day

coffeeholic · 16 January 2012 21:22

Saratoga:
If you’re in the same truck every day doing the same shift I can see why you can not be bothered to do a print out.

It’s not a case of not being bothered, it’s just not required and that is the case whether you are agency or employed, in one vehicle every day or a different one. Printouts every day are just a waste of money and paper.

I know the usual agency driver argument is they do it in case there is a query about the shift or wages later on but that doesn’t work because you can go back and print or check on the display a day at any time in any digi vehicle and easily back 10, 11 months or more.

alexwignall · 16 January 2012 21:59

tachograph:

bald bloke:

tachograph:

Lovlyperson:
the Office said to a Driver.
Vosa just asking for sufficient Paper

There’s no legal requirement to carry a spare roll of printing paper but you should have enough paper to give any printouts requested by an authorised person ie VOSA or the police.

Most people carry a spare roll as a precaution, better safe than fined

Could vosa make you do a 28 day print out if they were really in that sort of mood ?

Legally I suppose they could, but realistically I can’t see why they would ever want printouts going beyond your last weekly rest period.

If they were so concerned about someone that they wanted records for the previous 28 days I imagine the driver would be having a trip to the nearest checkpoint or waiting for a VOSA bod with a laptop.

The rule says that you require sufficient paper to do a printout not twenty eight printouts…

Or have I read it wrong?

W

bonnie_lass · 16 January 2012 22:13

Lovlyperson:
Now,When the digi tacho came up it was said you need a Roll in the Tacho and a spare Roll in the Vehicle (Not on the Driver)
But it was not said how much must be on the Roll in the Tacho.
Maybe that way ordered a spare Roll to make sure you have enough Paper.
Now i wasnt sure if and when that changed.
OK,how much is sufficient?

A roll in the tacho, & two spare rolls in the cab as a saftey precaution, because you don’t know how much is on the one in the tacho, & if it runs out you can replace it , this then leaves you with one spare roll in the cab

cieranc · 16 January 2012 22:47

Wheel Nut:

merc0447:
Do you know how expensive tacho paper is? [zb] ridiculous btw

Ive no took a print out in about a year people that do ever shift make me want to tear my eyes out, its like throwing money away.

£2.60 for 90 feet of paper

Compared to how much for analogue charts?

coffeeholic · 16 January 2012 22:53

cieranc:

Wheel Nut:

merc0447:
Do you know how expensive tacho paper is? [zb] ridiculous btw

Ive no took a print out in about a year people that do ever shift make me want to tear my eyes out, its like throwing money away.

£2.60 for 90 feet of paper

Compared to how much for analogue charts?

£3 - £3.50 for a box of 100, but you probably won’t print 100 days onto one tacho roll.

lovlyperson · 17 January 2012 02:42

Coffeeholic:

Saratoga:
If you’re in the same truck every day doing the same shift I can see why you can not be bothered to do a print out.

It’s not a case of not being bothered, it’s just not required and that is the case whether you are agency or employed, in one vehicle every day or a different one. Printouts every day are just a waste of money and paper.

I know the usual agency driver argument is they do it in case there is a query about the shift or wages later on but that doesn’t work because you can go back and print or check on the display a day at any time in any digi vehicle and easily back 10, 11 months or more.

Its the System.
The Company could save lots of Money if they would give you a Running-Sheet with all Details on.but they dont,as,well,will not explain why,as some dont speek English properly.
So gets printed to have Start Times and everything to fill in Timesheet at end of Shift.