Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !
Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
Well using you approach at Government, UK is no different the Bulgaria, Romania or Poland. Your politicians are not better or less corrupted the ours. They are all the same crooks. You would not have problem with EU migrants if certain laws and rules are implemented in UK as I mentioned before. Minimum living wage, work rules, trade certification, language skills, no benefit abuse etc.
UK can control non EU immigration, which is more then EU migration, UKBA do nothing. You keep saying EU migration is the problem, when non EU migration is more. EU migration is the problem according to you, but you don’t know who is in your country because you have no mandatory ID system and city council registration. You keep saying EU migrants are the problem, while UKBA doesnt have a clue how many foreigners from all over the world live in UK of overstayed visas. Illegals are the problem everywhere.
So cut the crap that is EE nationals fault for all of UK problems.
Dolph:
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
Well using you approach at Government, UK is no different the Bulgaria, Romania or Poland. Your politicians are not better or less corrupted the ours. They are all the same crooks. You would not have problem with EU migrants if certain laws and rules are implemented in UK as I mentioned before. Minimum living wage, work rules, trade certification, language skills, no benefit abuse etc.
UK can control non EU immigration, which is more then EU migration, UKBA do nothing. You keep saying EU migration is the problem, when non EU migration is more. EU migration is the problem according to you, but you don’t know who is in your country because you have no mandatory ID system and city council registration. You keep saying EU migrants are the problem, while UKBA doesnt have a clue how many foreigners from all over the world live in UK of overstayed visas. Illegals are the problem everywhere.
So cut the crap that is EE nationals fault for all of UK problems.
No but its still a massive part of our small nation being overcrowded
liberal lefty scum…if it was football fans doing this theyd b in front of the courts n serving a 3 year banning order …cant wait to meet theses ■■■■■ in 2 weeks time …when we are in town well c whos go some bottle in st pancras…as 4 the infiltraitors send the vermin home not wanted not needed in british society…just close every borders im sure if i hadnt got any id or passport id be locked up…wawaw
gazsa401:
Dolph:
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
Well using you approach at Government, UK is no different the Bulgaria, Romania or Poland. Your politicians are not better or less corrupted the ours. They are all the same crooks. You would not have problem with EU migrants if certain laws and rules are implemented in UK as I mentioned before. Minimum living wage, work rules, trade certification, language skills, no benefit abuse etc.
UK can control non EU immigration, which is more then EU migration, UKBA do nothing. You keep saying EU migration is the problem, when non EU migration is more. EU migration is the problem according to you, but you don’t know who is in your country because you have no mandatory ID system and city council registration. You keep saying EU migrants are the problem, while UKBA doesnt have a clue how many foreigners from all over the world live in UK of overstayed visas. Illegals are the problem everywhere.
So cut the crap that is EE nationals fault for all of UK problems.No but its still a massive part of our small nation being overcrowded
And by leaving EU you think UK will be less crowded, good luck.
Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed 1.95 million people born in the 27 other EU member states were working here in the first quarter of this year(2015).
Keep in mind that non EU workforce in UK is 3 million people, 50% more then EU work force.I didn’t know Britain is overcrowded by 2 million Europeans, another proof that you want to use EU citizens(EE EU citizens particularly) as scapegoats!
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … -show.html
boredwivdrivin, where are western Europeans in your comments, it seams you have no problem with Italians, Spanish or French taking away British jobs, but only with Bulgarians, Poles or Romanians■■?
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Dolph:
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
Well using you approach at Government, UK is no different the Bulgaria, Romania or Poland. Your politicians are not better or less corrupted the ours. They are all the same crooks. You would not have problem with EU migrants if certain laws and rules are implemented in UK as I mentioned before. Minimum living wage, work rules, trade certification, language skills, no benefit abuse etc.
UK can control non EU immigration, which is more then EU migration, UKBA do nothing. You keep saying EU migration is the problem, when non EU migration is more. EU migration is the problem according to you, but you don’t know who is in your country because you have no mandatory ID system and city council registration. You keep saying EU migrants are the problem, while UKBA doesnt have a clue how many foreigners from all over the world live in UK of overstayed visas. Illegals are the problem everywhere.
So cut the crap that is EE nationals fault for all of UK problems.No but its still a massive part of our small nation being overcrowded
And by leaving EU you think UK will be less crowded, good luck.
Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed 1.95 million people born in the 27 other EU member states were working here in the first quarter of this year(2015).
Keep in mind that non EU workforce in UK is 3 million people, 50% more then EU work force.I didn’t know Britain is overcrowded by 2 million Europeans, another proof that you want to use EU citizens(EE EU citizens particularly) as scapegoats!
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … -show.htmlboredwivdrivin, where are western Europeans in your comments, it seams you have no problem with Italians, Spanish or French taking away British jobs, but only with Bulgarians, Poles or Romanians■■?
but they dont work 4 ■■■■ all…and av at least put in2 the eu…were as the last 3 avntt…enuff said ■■? 
Dolph:
gazsa401:
Dolph:
boredwivdrivin:
Dolph those figures relate to people trafficking AND vote buying !Perhaps a case of selective quoting by you ■■
To me it shows England should not be in any alliance with mafia run countries .
BTW those figures i quoted above relate to LEGAL immigration !! People from Rom/Pol/Bul etc
This idea of yours that immigration problems stem from illegal immigration is false .
That is just the icing on the cake !!
Well using you approach at Government, UK is no different the Bulgaria, Romania or Poland. Your politicians are not better or less corrupted the ours. They are all the same crooks. You would not have problem with EU migrants if certain laws and rules are implemented in UK as I mentioned before. Minimum living wage, work rules, trade certification, language skills, no benefit abuse etc.
UK can control non EU immigration, which is more then EU migration, UKBA do nothing. You keep saying EU migration is the problem, when non EU migration is more. EU migration is the problem according to you, but you don’t know who is in your country because you have no mandatory ID system and city council registration. You keep saying EU migrants are the problem, while UKBA doesnt have a clue how many foreigners from all over the world live in UK of overstayed visas. Illegals are the problem everywhere.
So cut the crap that is EE nationals fault for all of UK problems.No but its still a massive part of our small nation being overcrowded
And by leaving EU you think UK will be less crowded, good luck.
Data from the Office for National Statistics (ONS) revealed 1.95 million people born in the 27 other EU member states were working here in the first quarter of this year(2015).
Keep in mind that non EU workforce in UK is 3 million people, 50% more then EU work force.I didn’t know Britain is overcrowded by 2 million Europeans, another proof that you want to use EU citizens(EE EU citizens particularly) as scapegoats!
telegraph.co.uk/news/uknews/ … -show.htmlboredwivdrivin, where are western Europeans in your comments, it seams you have no problem with Italians, Spanish or French taking away British jobs, but only with Bulgarians, Poles or Romanians■■?
Dolph where do you get the idea that EU membership ever resulted in large scale French,Spanish and Italian immigration here.Of those three it has usually been the Italians who are most pre disposed to economic migration and most of those went to America not here and all long before our EU membership.Where,just as in our case now,something had to be done about immigration on that basis.IE large scale excessive economic migration, that distorts the labour market or population demographic,is large scale economic migration that distorts the labour market and population demographic regardless of wether it’s Italian,East European or Asian or African.
The difference being that the PC socialist infiltrated regime we’ve got now isn’t that of early 20th century America which wasn’t afraid to call a spade a spade. 
Carryfast:
Dolph where do you get the idea that EU membership ever resulted in large scale French,Spanish and Italian immigration here.Of those three it has usually been the Italians who are most pre disposed to economic migration and most of those went to America.Where,just as in our case,something had to be done about immigration on that basis.IE large scale excessive economic migration, that distorts the labour market or population demographic,is large scale economic migration that distorts the labour market and population demographic regardless of wether it’s Italian,East European or Asian or African.The difference being that the PC socialist infiltrated regime we’ve got now isn’t that of early 20th century America which wasn’t afraid to call a spade a spade.
Definitely not from wikipedia 
Check UK Parliament website or ONS website.
According to Source: “ONS Population by Country of Birth and Nationality 2014” - at the end of 2014 EU8 citizens living in UK were 1,336 million people, EU15 citizens living in UK were 1,340 million people, EU27 citizens living in UK total of 2,938 million people. In other words almost half of the EU migrants in UK are from western EU countries, but I don’t see/read anyone bashing them for taking British jobs, its always EE this, EE that, communists, soviets, what is next, we gonna be called subhumans?
When measured as a proportion of the total population, foreign
nationals were 7.8% of the UK population, which places the UK 11th
among the 28 EU countries on this measure. Foreign-born people were
12.5% of the UK population, which also places the UK 11th among EU
countries on this measure.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph where do you get the idea that EU membership ever resulted in large scale French,Spanish and Italian immigration here.Of those three it has usually been the Italians who are most pre disposed to economic migration and most of those went to America.Where,just as in our case,something had to be done about immigration on that basis.IE large scale excessive economic migration, that distorts the labour market or population demographic,is large scale economic migration that distorts the labour market and population demographic regardless of wether it’s Italian,East European or Asian or African.The difference being that the PC socialist infiltrated regime we’ve got now isn’t that of early 20th century America which wasn’t afraid to call a spade a spade.
Definitely not from wikipedia
Check UK Parliament website or ONS website.
According to Source: “ONS Population by Country of Birth and Nationality 2014” - at the end of 2014 EU8 citizens living in UK were 1,336 million people, EU15 citizens living in UK were 1,340 million people, EU27 citizens living in UK total of 2,938 million people. In other words almost half of the EU migrants in UK are from western EU countries, but I don’t see/read anyone bashing them for taking British jobs, its always EE this, EE that, communists, soviets, what is next, we gonna be called subhumans?When measured as a proportion of the total population, foreign
nationals were 7.8% of the UK population, which places the UK 11th
among the 28 EU countries on this measure. Foreign-born people were
12.5% of the UK population, which also places the UK 11th among EU
countries on this measure.
Even by their figures the relevant figure is EU 27 + EU 15 + illegals + non EU + all those of non ethnic origin but who are born here.While it’s obvious that immigration is such a toxic issue here and our government is so lost to the pro immigration cause that there’s no way that any official figures can be trusted anyway.You really need to get your head round the idea that no one is picking on East Euros.On that note I’d say that the home grown born here immigration issue with our definition of citizenship based on jus soli,is a bigger problem in regard to the issue of our over supplied labour market and demographic issues,than East Euro immigration.
On that note I’d say that the idea of the average German,French or Spanish person or family wanting to move here for economic reasons,as opposed to and in the same numbers as,African,Asian and East Euro economic migration is total bs.
Carryfast it’s not EU27+EU15, it is EU27=EU15+EU8+Malta, Bulgaria and Romania.
Non EU citizens and illegals are under full control of UK, where UK forces the law is another thing.
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.
OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh 
Dolph:
Carryfast:
Dolph where do you get the idea that EU membership ever resulted in large scale French,Spanish and Italian immigration here.Of those three it has usually been the Italians who are most pre disposed to economic migration and most of those went to America.Where,just as in our case,something had to be done about immigration on that basis.IE large scale excessive economic migration, that distorts the labour market or population demographic,is large scale economic migration that distorts the labour market and population demographic regardless of wether it’s Italian,East European or Asian or African.The difference being that the PC socialist infiltrated regime we’ve got now isn’t that of early 20th century America which wasn’t afraid to call a spade a spade.
Definitely not from wikipedia
Check UK Parliament website or ONS website.
According to Source: “ONS Population by Country of Birth and Nationality 2014” - at the end of 2014 EU8 citizens living in UK were 1,336 million people, EU15 citizens living in UK were 1,340 million people, EU27 citizens living in UK total of 2,938 million people. In other words almost half of the EU migrants in UK are from western EU countries, but I don’t see/read anyone bashing them for taking British jobs, its always EE this, EE that, communists, soviets, what is next, we gonna be called subhumans?When measured as a proportion of the total population, foreign
nationals were 7.8% of the UK population, which places the UK 11th
among the 28 EU countries on this measure. Foreign-born people were
12.5% of the UK population, which also places the UK 11th among EU
countries on this measure.
I don’t see many German French Spanish or Italian EU economic migrants in places such as Boston Peterborough Shirebrook just to name a few that are overrun with EE economic migrants
and Dolph they’re not EU migrants they’re EU economic migrants
Office of National Statistics figures are complete nonsense as they use Official Census numbers . I always chuck mine in bin as its none of their business , so know they are wrong . Also they obviously dont include people who are temporary , dont speak the language , illegals ,criminals , absent on day of census etc etc .
A good guide of real figures is National Insurance number issues which i quoted above as 56000 for black country alone . All legal workers should have a NI number , so this provides a base figure to which illegals can be added . this figure is anyones guess
The actual number of people in country is not known as ONS publish bendy figures , according to political whim .
And no i dont have a problem with french dutch spanish people coming to work here . these countries have many brits wishing to live/work there so things balance out . they are no particular strain or drain on economy .
I have a problem with mafia run countries with porous borders and low levels of economic and social development coming here .
We are flooded by them
Dolph:
Carryfast it’s not EU27+EU15, it is EU27=EU15+EU8+Malta, Bulgaria and Romania.
Non EU citizens and illegals are under full control of UK, where UK forces the law is another thing.
Fair enough I’ve confused what should have just been EU27-8.While we can probably give Malta the benefit of the doubt with its historic ties.
As for non EU and illegals it seems obvious that Merkel makes the rules and if Merkel says jump the UK says how high.Although admittedly it’s my guess that the government is appeasing it’s home grown immigration problem by not putting the military on alert to protect our borders especially the channel ports.Let alone the navy helping them to get here.IE the first deportation let alone shooting results in race riots among the ethnic Asian or African Brit born population who are all obviously playing for demographic control on the basis of the more the better.The only conclusion being this country is zb’d from the point of view of its indigenous population.With Merkel now taking Germany down the same route.In which case it will be our own future generations who end up the refugees needing to flee their own country assuming the invading demographic doesn’t get them first. 
Terry T:
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh
There is a hell of a lot of British born trained nurses who once qualified leave the NHS and work overseas, why because the NHS won’t pay them a fair wage, this cheap imported foreign labour is the underlying reason for this ,
But it’s a false economy that has recovered, which government bleats about , when in reality there has been no great recovery it’s just bs, typical Tory bs , they pedal the myth about creating jobs, when it’s doubtful they actually did this, and even if true,these jobs will be paying the minimum wage,or less and be Zero hours contracts, to no job security or guaranteed weekly income, So for lots of people as much use as a chocolate teapot
Terry T:
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh
They can’t get enough Brit nurses because they go to Canada and Oz while we import cheaper Asian etc ones with their lower wage expectations and ‘militancy’ levels regards same.
As for the so called ‘ageing population’ who supports the immigrants as they get older and why would the establishment be advising our indigenous women to delay,have fewer,or even cancel having children in favour of their ‘education’ and ‘career’ while the immigrant communities obviously don’t follow the script.
The fact is a smaller population creates less load and burden on social costs not more.While the idea is for each generation to earn enough to support itself in retirement and not expect to shift that burden onto later generations.
As for not enough workers to make up the numbers since when did this country have zero let alone negative unemployment.
Terry T:
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh
We are in crisis because our doctors and nurses emigrated to the West, many of them into UK. And I don’t blame them for a second, lower pay and bad work conditions is what they get here.
According to data by the Bulgarian Medical Association, each year some 600 young medics leave the country to work abroad for higher wages and better working conditions. There were a total of 35,000 doctors in Bulgaria in 2009, while these days their number is about 28,000. What is more - less than 5% of practitioners in Bulgaria are under the age of 35, while one out of four doctors is 60 and over. Dr. Anatoli Mitov, procurator of the indebted regional hospital in Pernik told us more.
bnr.bg/en/post/100554591/emigrat … healthcare
Every year Bulgaria loses between 500 and 600 doctors to emigration, according to Dr Tsvetan Raychinov, head of the Bulgarian Doctors Union. The graduating class of medical students for the whole country is about 600 people annually.
See more at: novinite.com/articles/157626 … x4pZ0.dpuf
Dolph:
Terry T:
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh
We are in crisis because our doctors and nurses emigrated to the West, many of them into UK. And I don’t blame them for a second, lower pay and bad work conditions is what they get here.
According to data by the Bulgarian Medical Association, each year some 600 young medics leave the country to work abroad for higher wages and better working conditions. There were a total of 35,000 doctors in Bulgaria in 2009, while these days their number is about 28,000. What is more - less than 5% of practitioners in Bulgaria are under the age of 35, while one out of four doctors is 60 and over. Dr. Anatoli Mitov, procurator of the indebted regional hospital in Pernik told us more.
bnr.bg/en/post/100554591/emigrat … healthcareEvery year Bulgaria loses between 500 and 600 doctors to emigration, according to Dr Tsvetan Raychinov, head of the Bulgarian Doctors Union. The graduating class of medical students for the whole country is about 600 people annually.
See more at: novinite.com/articles/157626 … x4pZ0.dpuf
No one will help the situation of low wages by running away from it.That just plays into the hands of the supporters of low wage employment.The only way that the working class has ever improved matters in that regard is by standing their ground and fighting for it in their own countries.While immigration is just a weapon used by the cheap labour agenda.In order to turn the bs Socialist idea,of workers of the world unite,against itself.The quicker the working class and unions here start to understand that the better.‘If’ it isn’t already too late.
Carryfast:
Dolph:
Terry T:
The UK Government keep saying we need foreigners of working age to make up the numbers because of our ageing population.OK, and what about the populations of the countries we’re stealing these workers from.
We need African nurses because the NHS can’t get enough British nurses to do the job. I guess there are no health problems in Africa so they won’t miss them eh
We are in crisis because our doctors and nurses emigrated to the West, many of them into UK. And I don’t blame them for a second, lower pay and bad work conditions is what they get here.
According to data by the Bulgarian Medical Association, each year some 600 young medics leave the country to work abroad for higher wages and better working conditions. There were a total of 35,000 doctors in Bulgaria in 2009, while these days their number is about 28,000. What is more - less than 5% of practitioners in Bulgaria are under the age of 35, while one out of four doctors is 60 and over. Dr. Anatoli Mitov, procurator of the indebted regional hospital in Pernik told us more.
bnr.bg/en/post/100554591/emigrat … healthcareEvery year Bulgaria loses between 500 and 600 doctors to emigration, according to Dr Tsvetan Raychinov, head of the Bulgarian Doctors Union. The graduating class of medical students for the whole country is about 600 people annually.
See more at: novinite.com/articles/157626 … x4pZ0.dpufNo one will help the situation of low wages by running away from it.That just plays into the hands of the supporters of low wage employment.The only way that the working class has ever improved matters in that regard is by standing their ground and fighting for it in their own countries.While immigration is just a weapon used by the cheap labour agenda.In order to turn the bs Socialist idea,of workers of the world unite,against itself.The quicker the working class and unions here start to understand that the better.‘If’ it isn’t already too late.
I agree with you, but people can better their life easily and they do it(BG doctors to UK or UK doctors to US). The same argument about lower wages is valid for British doctors and nurses who run away to US,AUS,NZ,CAN etc.
Dolph:
Carryfast:
No one will help the situation of low wages by running away from it.That just plays into the hands of the supporters of low wage employment.The only way that the working class has ever improved matters in that regard is by standing their ground and fighting for it in their own countries.While immigration is just a weapon used by the cheap labour agenda.In order to turn the bs Socialist idea,of workers of the world unite,against itself.The quicker the working class and unions here start to understand that the better.‘If’ it isn’t already too late.I agree with you, but people can better their life easily and they do it(BG doctors to UK or UK doctors to US). The same argument about lower wages is valid for British doctors and nurses who run away to US,AUS,NZ,CAN etc.
The doctors and nurses issue is a red herring in that regard.Because they are just a symptom of the loss of spending power in the wealth creating industrial sectors that their wages are dependent on.
If we don’t fight to improve/maintain wage levels and/or we lose our industries to cheap competition and/or we import more cheap labour thereby increasing the labour supply,our wage levels decrease and with it the ability to fund our health care sectors.The fact that the doctors and nurses ( among others ) then run from that to the remaining economies where wage levels remain at relatively civilised levels is just a symptom of that.On that note it’s only a matter of time before those remaining more developed economies also start to go backwards in terms of what they can afford to pay their health sectors.Australia recently having sold out to the global free market economy and USA having long since lost the plot probably being two more examples heading for at least the situation that our health sector is in now regards funding their workforce wage levels.IE as I said running away and the bs Socialist pro immigration idea of workers of the world unite without borders isn’t the answer to this problem.