Morning chaps and chapesses.
I would lime to know if someone could clarify a grey area for me.
I have been told that if my 6 hr rule starts from say 6am to 12 pm and i have Poa in between for say for 30 mins then i can move the 6hr rule to 12.30 or move depending on duration of poa as long as i don’t go over 4.30 drive. Is this correct.
Many Thanks
Kragzy:
Morning chaps and chapesses.
I would lime to know if someone could clarify a grey area for me.
I have been told that if my 6 hr rule starts from say 6am to 12 pm and i have Poa in between for say for 30 mins then i can move the 6hr rule to 12.30 or move depending on duration of poa as long as i don’t go over 4.30 drive. Is this correct.Many Thanks
Yes it is correct, the rules say you should not do more than 6 hours working time before having a 15 minute break, POA doesn’t count as working time.
Thank you very much for the reply and info.
Poa freezes time im told! 
But even a donkey has to have a carrot! 
So just take a break ! nuff said. 
maestegboy:
Poa freezes time im told!But even a donkey has to have a carrot!
So just take a break !
what if you can only stick it on POA for ten minutes, there’s no point sticking it on break for that.
also is there any rule on how long a period of POA has to be (like 15/30 or 45) or is it just how ever long it is will extend your 6 hours working by how ever long you’ve had on POA
jamiep1988:
maestegboy:
Poa freezes time im told!But even a donkey has to have a carrot!
So just take a break !
what if you can only stick it on POA for ten minutes, there’s no point sticking it on break for that.
also is there any rule on how long a period of POA has to be (like 15/30 or 45) or is it just how ever long it is will extend your 6 hours working by how ever long you’ve had on POA
NO
Yes
Having 10 mins break or POA will get the same result
ROG:
Having 10 mins break or POA will get the same result
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?
jamiep1988:
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?
If the shift was over 9 hours working time, for the RT(WT)R you would need to have another 15 minute break at 16:35, that’s 6 hours from the end of the last break.
That is of course unless you needed a driving break first.
jamiep1988:
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?
This may help…
Example - no POA used in this 15 hour shift
Start at 0600
Break 15 mins at 1030
Driving time reaches 4.5 hours at 1330 so 30 min break taken - the RTD now has the required 45 and the driving time 4.5 is reset
Finish at 2100 without taking another break = OOPS because from 1400 to 2100 is 7 hours with no break
The driver would need another 15 mins to start no later than 2000 to comply with the RTD 6 hour break rule even though the full 45 to cover a shift over 9 hours working time has already been taken
I should’ve POA’d all my drops yesterday…
ROG:
jamiep1988:
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?This may help…
Example - no POA used in this 15 hour shift
Start at 0600
Break 15 mins at 1030
Driving time reaches 4.5 hours at 1330 so 30 min break taken - the RTD now has the required 45 and the driving time 4.5 is reset
Finish at 2100 without taking another break = OOPS because from 1400 to 2100 is 7 hours with no break
The driver would need another 15 mins to start no later than 2000 to comply with the RTD 6 hour break rule even though the full 45 to cover a shift over 9 hours working time has already been taken
I always thought that I would’ve needed to take 45 within the first 6 hours of my shift so in regards to the example you gave I’d have always taken a 15/30 or a 45 before 1200
jamiep1988:
ROG:
jamiep1988:
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?This may help…
Example - no POA used in this 15 hour shift
Start at 0600
Break 15 mins at 1030
Driving time reaches 4.5 hours at 1330 so 30 min break taken - the RTD now has the required 45 and the driving time 4.5 is reset
Finish at 2100 without taking another break = OOPS because from 1400 to 2100 is 7 hours with no break
The driver would need another 15 mins to start no later than 2000 to comply with the RTD 6 hour break rule even though the full 45 to cover a shift over 9 hours working time has already been takenI always thought that I would’ve needed to take 45 within the first 6 hours of my shift so in regards to the example you gave I’d have always taken a 15/30 or a 45 before 1200
Dunno where you got that idea
No driver to do more than 6 hours in a shift without a break of at least 15 mins
Now we come to a choice so choose only one …
Total work time in a shift is between 6 and 9 hours so breaks totalling 30 mins must be taken
OR
Total work in a shift is over 9 hours so breaks totalling 45 mins must be taken
ROG:
jamiep1988:
ROG:
jamiep1988:
so today i started at 0600 got took 16 minutes break at 1035 i wouldnt have had to take my 30 till 1216 ?This may help…
Example - no POA used in this 15 hour shift
Start at 0600
Break 15 mins at 1030
Driving time reaches 4.5 hours at 1330 so 30 min break taken - the RTD now has the required 45 and the driving time 4.5 is reset
Finish at 2100 without taking another break = OOPS because from 1400 to 2100 is 7 hours with no break
The driver would need another 15 mins to start no later than 2000 to comply with the RTD 6 hour break rule even though the full 45 to cover a shift over 9 hours working time has already been takenI always thought that I would’ve needed to take 45 within the first 6 hours of my shift so in regards to the example you gave I’d have always taken a 15/30 or a 45 before 1200
Dunno where you got that idea
No driver to do more than 6 hours in a shift without a break of at least 15 mins
Now we come to a choice so choose only one …
Total work time in a shift is between 6 and 9 hours so breaks totalling 30 mins must be taken
OR
Total work in a shift is over 9 hours so breaks totalling 45 mins must be taken
my shifts 99% of the time will go over 9 hours.
In trying to make sense from what you’ve said I can start work at 0600 take a 15 before 1200 then work for another 3 hours before I’d have to take a 30, assuming I haven’t hit my 4.5 driving.
Sorry i may be coming across basic but I’ve never been shown anything with a tacho or ever been taught anything to do with hours properly
There’s no legal requirement to take that half hour if you are going past the 9 hr mark.
But you would need it before you finish or before exceeding another 6 hrs of work.
All this assuming you don’t do your 4.5 hrs of driving.
bald bloke:
There’s no legal requirement to take that half hour if you are going past the 9 hr mark.
But you would need it before you finish or before exceeding another 6 hrs of work.All this assuming you don’t do your 4.5 hrs of driving.
ok so I could start at 0600 take 15 at 1159 then work until 1814 which is when I’d need to take a 30? obviously wouldn’t cut it so fine
jamiep1988:
bald bloke:
There’s no legal requirement to take that half hour if you are going past the 9 hr mark.
But you would need it before you finish or before exceeding another 6 hrs of work.All this assuming you don’t do your 4.5 hrs of driving.
ok so I could start at 0600 take 15 at 1159 then work until 1814 which is when I’d need to take a 30? obviously wouldn’t cut it so fine
Breaks only need to be 15 minutes long so you could have a 15 at 12:00 then another at 18:15. You’ve now worked over 9 hours so you would need another 15 before your shift ends but there is no requirement for that break at 18:15 to be 30 minutes.
Terry T:
jamiep1988:
bald bloke:
There’s no legal requirement to take that half hour if you are going past the 9 hr mark.
But you would need it before you finish or before exceeding another 6 hrs of work.All this assuming you don’t do your 4.5 hrs of driving.
ok so I could start at 0600 take 15 at 1159 then work until 1814 which is when I’d need to take a 30? obviously wouldn’t cut it so fine
Breaks only need to be 15 minutes long so you could have a 15 at 12:00 then another at 18:15. You’ve now worked over 9 hours so you would need another 15 before your shift ends but there is no requirement for that break at 18:15 to be 30 minutes.
ok so going by that I can have 3x15’s in a 15 hour shift, providing I don’t need to take a longer break for driving hours
jamiep1988:
ok so going by that I can have 3x15’s in a 15 hour shift, providing I don’t need to take a longer break for driving hours
Bingo 
jamiep1988:
ROG:
No driver to do more than 6 hours in a shift without a break of at least 15 minsNow we come to a choice so choose only one …
Total work time in a shift is between 6 and 9 hours so breaks totalling 30 mins must be taken
OR
Total work in a shift is over 9 hours so breaks totalling 45 mins must be takenmy shifts 99% of the time will go over 9 hours.
In trying to make sense from what you’ve said I can start work at 0600 take a 15 before 1200 then work for another 3 hours before I’d have to take a 30, assuming I haven’t hit my 4.5 driving.
Sorry i may be coming across basic but I’ve never been shown anything with a tacho or ever been taught anything to do with hours properly
Choose one of the options not both
You either have shift containing more than 9 hours of WORK or you don’t
WORK is the total of driving + other work done in that shift