I have never come across anything quite like the working time directive!
30 minutes in the first 6 hours
45 will cover the first 9 hours
two 30 minute breaks for two 6 hour working periods BUT…
…the next 6 hour working period starts at the end of the break you’ve just had…JEEPERS!
What next?
The ‘standing on one leg directive’ you are not allowed to stand one one leg for longer than 8 minutes without having a squirrel on one shoulder and your balls in a spoon while coughing
I have never come across anything quite like the working time directive!
30 minutes in the first 6 hours
45 will cover the first 9 hours
two 30 minute breaks for two 6 hour working periods BUT…
…the next 6 hour working period starts at the end of the break you’ve just had…JEEPERS!
What next?
The ‘standing on one leg directive’ you are not allowed to stand one one leg for longer than 8 minutes without having a squirrel on one shoulder and your balls in a spoon while coughing
RANT OVER!!!
There’s only one part of your post that’s correct, if you want to criticise the working time regulations that’s fair enough but could I suggest that you learn about them first.
tachograph:
There’s only one part of your post that’s correct, if you want to criticise the working time regulations that’s fair enough but could I suggest that you learn about them first.
Or at least ask what the rules are before commenting
Are you a driver or just thinking about becoming one?
With regards to your post, before you have worked six hours, you must have taken a fifteen minute break. If you work between six and nine hours then you must have taken a thirty minute break and anything over nine hours the regulations require that you take a forty five minute break within your duty time.
I am a class 2 driver but I have only has my license for 18 months. In that time I have done a bit of agency work and recently was taken on full time by the firm I was driving for, on the agency.
Recently I have had a couple of WTD infringments for which I have not necessarily been scolded for, however have been sat down in my transport office and explained to, how the WTD works. I have to say that no I am even more confused than before. What you have told me contradicts what I have been told by my transport office.
My understanding is this:
example 1: my working day starts at 6am and finishes at 2 pm. Within that time I have to have had a 30 minute break (or two 15 minute breaks) to satisfy the working time directive. Correct?
Are you a driver or just thinking about becoming one?
With regards to your post, before you have worked six hours, you must have taken a fifteen minute break. If you work between six and nine hours then you must have taken a thirty minute break and anything over nine hours the regulations require that you take a forty five minute break within your duty time.
Breaks totalling 30 mins or 45 mins would be the correct way of saying it
OP - breaks less than 15 mins do not count for the RTD so therefore any breaks must be a minimum of 15 mins
RTD refers to the working time (work) in a shift and not the shift time
working time (work) is driving + other work … POA and breaks do not count as working time
A driver must not work more than 6 hours at any time during a shift without taking at least a 15 min break
Depending on how much work was done in the shift then the rules for that are …
6 to 9 hour work = breaks totalling 30 mins
OR - not both
over 9 hours work done during the shift = breaks totalling 45 mins
Breaks can count for both RTD and EU driving time breaks but the rules for driving time breaks take preference so if the work in a shift was over 9 hours and a 45 min driving time break was also needed then splitting the break as 15 then 30 mins would suffice providing the 6 hours work rule was not broken at any time during the shift
I am a class 2 driver but I have only has my license for 18 months. In that time I have done a bit of agency work and recently was taken on full time by the firm I was driving for, on the agency.
Recently I have had a couple of WTD infringments for which I have not necessarily been scolded for, however have been sat down in my transport office and explained to, how the WTD works. I have to say that no I am even more confused than before. What you have told me contradicts what I have been told by my transport office.
My understanding is this:
example 1: my working day starts at 6am and finishes at 2 pm. Within that time I have to have had a 30 minute break (or two 15 minute breaks) to satisfy the working time directive. Correct?
Yes, correct.
By 12.00H, you must have taken a 15 minute break and then before you go home at 14.00H, you must have taken another 15 min break although you could just have taken a 30 min break and be done with it.
BUT
This assumes that you have not driven for more than 4.5Hrs
I am a class 2 driver but I have only has my license for 18 months. In that time I have done a bit of agency work and recently was taken on full time by the firm I was driving for, on the agency.
Recently I have had a couple of WTD infringments for which I have not necessarily been scolded for, however have been sat down in my transport office and explained to, how the WTD works. I have to say that no I am even more confused than before. What you have told me contradicts what I have been told by my transport office.
My understanding is this:
example 1: my working day starts at 6am and finishes at 2 pm. Within that time I have to have had a 30 minute break (or two 15 minute breaks) to satisfy the working time directive. Correct?
Generally correct in your example providing at no point was 6 hours worked without a 15 min break
To have only that break(s) would also mean you did not drive for more than 4.5 hours in that shift
I have been told that, in order to satisfy the wtd, I cannot work the first 6 hours of my day without a 30 minute break. Are you saying that this is not true?
timmo29:
I have been told that, in order to satisfy the wtd, I cannot work the first 6 hours of my day without a 30 minute break. Are you saying that this is not true?
timmo29:
I have been told that, in order to satisfy the wtd, I cannot work the first 6 hours of my day without a 30 minute break. Are you saying that this is not true?
06.00H - Start
12.00H - at the very latest (assuming there in no POA) you must start a 15 minute break or you could take a 30 min and be done with it.
14.00H - is home time for you BUT between the hours of 12.15H and going home, you must have taken another 15 min break (if you had not taken a 30 min at 12.00H)
No I am really confused. That is what I have been told by my transport team. headache ensues…
by the way, please forgive my sense of humour. I was only joking for goodness sake
So many TMs and dcpc trainers have got the 6 hour break rule wrong because they mix up the rules for what is required for the total work time in a shift with what is required for 6 hours of work
If they read the rules more carefully then this would not be happening
It does not help in the way that rules 1 to 4 have been listed - I would have listed rules 1 and 4 then 2 and 3 with a big OR between rules 2 and 3
The ‘standing on one leg directive’ you are not allowed to stand one one leg for longer than 8 minutes without having a squirrel on one shoulder and your balls in a spoon while coughing
RANT OVER!!!
Don’t forget you’ll also need to be wearing hi-vis, steelies, hard hat, goggles, gloves and ear protection whilst doing this
timmo29:
my word its far too easy to cause offence around here
I doubt anyone was offended, we was just pointing out that you was ranting about something you obviously don’t know about.
timmo29:
What was i wrong about?
timmo29:
30 minutes in the first 6 hours As has already been said you only need to start a 15 minute break before going over 6 hours working time.
45 will cover the first 9 hours For a total working time of more than 6 hours but not more than 9 hours you need a break/breaks totalling 30 minutes not 45.
two 30 minute breaks for two 6 hour working periods BUT… X
… the next 6 hour working period starts at the end of the break you’ve just had
