It seems that I’m not understanding everything about this as I’ve gotten a few WTD related infringements. Had one today for a shift last week and two for two shifts back in May. I have the printout from the office about the May infringements.
18/05 - accumulated working limit of 6 hours exceeded at 15:21, between 09:20 and 16:45, 7:25 working with 0 mins break.
21/05 - accumulated working limit of 6 hours exceeded at 17:14, between 11:13 and 17:57, 6:44 working with 0 mins break taken.
I’m honestly confused as I thought I had taken enough breaks as my break times stand at 02:26 hours for the 18/05 and 01:30 hours for the 21/05.
Really want to get to the bottom of this as my boss is starting to ask questions.
Just for info, my shift time for the 18/05 is 14:30 hours and the 21/05 is 12:12 hours.
Radar19:
It seems that I’m not understanding everything about this as I’ve gotten a few WTD related infringements. Had one today for a shift last week and two for two shifts back in May. I have the printout from the office about the May infringements.
18/05 - accumulated working limit of 6 hours exceeded at 15:21, between 09:20 and 16:45, 7:25 working with 0 mins break.
21/05 - accumulated working limit of 6 hours exceeded at 17:14, between 11:13 and 17:57, 6:44 working with 0 mins break taken.
I’m honestly confused as I thought I had taken enough breaks as my break times stand at 02:26 hours for the 18/05 and 01:30 hours for the 21/05.
Really want to get to the bottom of this as my boss is starting to ask questions.
Just for info, my shift time for the 18/05 is 14:30 hours and the 21/05 is 12:12 hours.
I’m far from an expert, but it appears you haven’t recorded a tacho break for 15 mins before you completed 6 hours work. Was your 6 hours that caused the break a mix of “Other work” and “Driving”? If so this can easily extend past 6 hours, but not make you need a 45min driving break after 4.5 hours of driving. So as such, you didn’t record a 15 break on the Tacho before 6 hours had expired.
Remember that there are 2 sets of rules. Drivers hours and WTD
Cheers man. I’ve had a look at the last 28 days of work. I got an infringement on the 3rd last week. Turns out I worked more than 12 hours with only a 45 min break. From now on, I’ll grab a 45 in the first 6 hours then grab another before 12 hours is up.
Radar19:
Cheers man. I’ve had a look at the last 28 days of work. I got an infringement on the 3rd last week. Turns out I worked more than 12 hours with only a 45 min break. From now on, I’ll grab a 45 in the first 6 hours then grab another before 12 hours is up.
You only have to take a 15min break if working less than 6 hours. And then another 15mins if working 6-9 hours. These are WTD rules and not Driver hours rules!
Evil8Beezle:
I’m far from an expert, but it appears you haven’t recorded a tacho break for 15 mins before you completed 6 hours work. Was your 6 hours that caused the break a mix of “Other work” and “Driving”? If so this can easily extend past 6 hours, but not make you need a 45min driving break after 4.5 hours of driving. So as such, you didn’t record a 15 break on the Tacho before 6 hours had expired.
Remember that there are 2 sets of rules. Drivers hours and WTD
If i’m wrong, ignore me!
If it helps then … me!
It would be the “other work” that would sent it over. Only had one drive related infringement since I started with these guys and that was for my own stupid decision.
Radar19:
Cheers man. I’ve had a look at the last 28 days of work. I got an infringement on the 3rd last week. Turns out I worked more than 12 hours with only a 45 min break. From now on, I’ll grab a 45 in the first 6 hours then grab another before 12 hours is up.
You only have to take a 15min break if working less than 6 hours. And then another 15mins if working 6-9 hours. These are WTD rules and not Driver hours rules!
I miss ROG
But I worked more than 12 hours that day. 12 hours 12 minutes to be exact.
Radar19:
Cheers man. I’ve had a look at the last 28 days of work. I got an infringement on the 3rd last week. Turns out I worked more than 12 hours with only a 45 min break. From now on, I’ll grab a 45 in the first 6 hours then grab another before 12 hours is up.
You only have to take a 15min break if working less than 6 hours. And then another 15mins if working 6-9 hours. These are WTD rules and not Driver hours rules!
I miss ROG
But I worked more than 12 hours that day. 12 hours 12 minutes to be exact.
WTD rules state that you need 15mins, for up to 6 hours, another 15 for 6-9 hours, and another 15 for 9-12. I think it carries on like that. But you are less likely to fall foul of WTD rules later in the shift, as your Driver hours break also count as WTD breaks, which you are likely to have to take later in the day.
I’m no expect, someone will be along to correct me soon… I’ve not had any infringements so I can’t be that far off, it confused the hell out of me don’t worry
Radar19:
Cheers man. I’ve had a look at the last 28 days of work. I got an infringement on the 3rd last week. Turns out I worked more than 12 hours with only a 45 min break. From now on, I’ll grab a 45 in the first 6 hours then grab another before 12 hours is up.
You only have to take a 15min break if working less than 6 hours. And then another 15mins if working 6-9 hours. These are WTD rules and not Driver hours rules!
I miss ROG
But I worked more than 12 hours that day. 12 hours 12 minutes to be exact.
WTD rules state that you need 15mins, for up to 6 hours, another 15 for 6-9 hours, and another 15 for 9-12. I think it carries on like that. But you are less likely to fall foul of WTD rules later in the shift, as your Driver hours break also count as WTD breaks which you are likely to have to take later in the day.
If we take the first infringement, the 18th of May, I had 2 hours 26 minutes total break. So I should of had enough break to cover the WTD rules. It’s also the second half of the shift where I’m getting caught out. I’m getting in the first 45 in that first 6 hour period.
Let us say you you start in the morning and take 3 hours to load the wagon, you then drive for 3 hours. A total of 6 hours, and you still have 1.5 hours of driving available. So you might think you can crack on… But no, you have to stop now, as you have worked 6 hours, and have to take a 15 min break because of WTD rules.
My knowledge is limited, but to me it looks like your Tacho as complaining that no breaks were recorded in the first 6 hours of work. Maybe it’s time the experts step in. I’ll be watching, listening and hopefully learning!
Can’t believe I’m going to say this, but: ALDERRRRRRRRRRR
That’s all well and good but I’ve got that part down, it’s the part after I’ve taken my first 45. I’m still struggling to work out how I can taken almost two and a half hours total break and still fall foul of the WTD rules.
Radar19:
That’s all well and good but I’ve got that part down, it’s the part after I’ve taken my first 45. I’m still struggling to work out how I can taken almost two and a half hours total break and still fall foul of the WTD rules.
Radar, get yourself a printout of the days you got an infringement tomorrow. Then scan or take picture, then Someone can help.
At the minute you haven’t provided enough infomation for a sensible, informed, or correct answer.
PS don’t fret about it. I picked up my first working time infringement in 6 years a couple of weeks ago - purely and simply because I can’t add, and I was worrying about catching a plane that day!
Radar-quick tip mate. Leave your break until as late as possible mate. The problem is, after your break has ended, the time starts from scratch for WTD. So if you FINISH your 45 minute break at 10.45am, and you are still working at 4.44 pm, you need to stop and have a 30 minute break to cover you for the rest of your shift.
I’ve given up on WTD as seems no- one really cares about it and our software (tachomaster) misses infringements.
I know for a fact I worked 6hr 9min on Tues without a break, my printout confirms it, it’s all other work or driving not break at all. I knew I was going over as got stuck in road closure/ diversion hell in Northwich. I took printout and added it all up even though summary did say 6hrs 9min so expected infringement when downloading card today but it said none??
Stupid rules for WTD, should be incorporated into Drivings rules rather than separate add on.
