Our company have not opted out of the WTD for the night working rule so if we start before 4am we can only do 10 hours which I know but I want to know say if I stay out on a Friday night and I’m just running into the yard am I allowed to do it?
The reason I ask is because I did it once and was told I couldn’t start before 4am due to us not opting out of the WTD which I thought is bollox as I’m only running into the yard Saturday morning and probably would only be doing 4 hours at most.
Obviously if I did it on Monday then yes it would cause problems starting before 4am.Another thing I was told by our place is that if you start before 4am at the beginning of the week then you can only do 10 hour shifts for the rest of the week which I think is also bollox but I’ve never seen anything in black and white to verify this.?
Regardless of whether or not you have an opt out you can start (if your tacho permits it) before 4am with no problem. You already know that with no opt out you can not exceed 10 hours working time, but as you are merely running in I shouldn’t imagine that’ll be a problem Steve. Unless you are running in from Barcelona of course! 
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
The reason I ask is because I did it once and was told I couldn’t start before 4am due to us not opting out of the WTD which I thought is bollox as I’m only running into the yard Saturday morning and probably would only be doing 4 hours at most.
You’re right it’s nonsense, there’s nothing to stop you starting before 4am if you’re not working more than 10 hours in the 24 hour period.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
Another thing I was told by our place is that if you start before 4am at the beginning of the week then you can only do 10 hour shifts for the rest of the week which I think is also bollox but I’ve never seen anything in black and white to verify this.?
That’s more nonsense, obviously you know more about the night time working rules than the person who told you this rubbish
Does it not say if you start early “regularly” it’s only 10hrs… I would just crack on in your case.
Ps. I am wrong just looked…but do it anyway , as others are right.
dont rush back Steve as was told last week if we do 4 hrs running in we will get the meal allowance 
, or like the planner said too
Me it’s unfair you only getting a hour £11 for running in on a Sunday I’ll give you a full day’s work too make it worth your while 
10 hours in any 24 hour period, if working at night.
However, use has been made of two derogations contained within European Directive
2002/15/EC, which allow for employers to extend the reference period for the average
48 hour week from 4 to 6 months and allows for night shift workers to exceed the 10
hour working time limit. These provisions are both subject to a collective or
workforce agreement being in place (see Section 7.1 - “relevant agreements”).
How’s this then… The last WTD reference period I was at a 56 hr average [emoji14]
No stand down time, just the same 70-75 hrs a week[emoji41]
As the authorities do not seem interested in the WTD then who is going to get into hot water 
Has anyone ever been done for WTD irregularities I wonder?
Simple remedy Steve, let them stick to their bloody stupid rules it gives them summet to do, whether they are legally relevant or not (who gives a ■■■■ about wtd anyway) and just run back in at One minute past four 
job sorted.
bowserman:
Has anyone ever been done for WTD irregularities I wonder?
The only argument we have had is the wtd 15 break after 6 hours or say 3 h driving 3 on cross keys tipping i.e. other work i bang in a 15 m bed but transport guy is saying 30 m bed ? don’t want to have 45 as I have 1.30 driving left then I have 45
greatdane:
bowserman:
Has anyone ever been done for WTD irregularities I wonder?The only argument we have had is the wtd 15 break after 6 hours or say 3 h driving 3 on cross keys tipping i.e. other work i bang in a 15 m bed but transport guy is saying 30 m bed ? don’t want to have 45 as I have 1.30 driving left then I have 45
I don’t bother with it, it’s all b.s.with no real purpose, other than going along with whatever authority’ s attempt, to make things look better to what they actually are.
ie. To look on paper, that we are not doing excessive hours, where in reality we are,… so ■■■■ them.
If I am doing other than driving, breaks, or daily rest, it goes on other work and I get paid…end of.
robroy:
Simple remedy Steve, let them stick to their bloody stupid rules it gives them summet to do, whether they are legally relevant or not (who gives a [zb] about wtd anyway) and just run back in at One minute past four
Oh I do pal but sometimes on a Friday especially if around M25/M1 area around dinner time I’d sooner park up drop a 9 and have a chilled out drive up a deserted motorway at say 00:00 and get back at 04:00 rather than stuck in bumper to bumper traffic
greatdane:
The only argument we have had is the wtd 15 break after 6 hours or say 3 h driving 3 on cross keys tipping i.e. other work i bang in a 15 m bed but transport guy is saying 30 m bed ? don’t want to have 45 as I have 1.30 driving left then I have 45
Your transport guy is a clown. Probably went to the same clown college as our transport guy as we are told the same. I ignore it when necessary and never get infringements for just taking a 15 for the 6 hour rule.
But if I’m not in a rush I’ll take 30. I’m paid by the hour and if the company want me sat on my arse for twice as long as is necessary then who am I to argue.
SteveBarnsleytrucker:
robroy:
Simple remedy Steve, let them stick to their bloody stupid rules it gives them summet to do, whether they are legally relevant or not (who gives a [zb] about wtd anyway) and just run back in at One minute past fourOh I do pal but sometimes on a Friday especially if around M25/M1 area around dinner time I’d sooner park up drop a 9 and have a chilled out drive up a deserted motorway at say 00:00 and get back at 04:00 rather than stuck in bumper to bumper traffic
I’m with you there pal, 