Writing to Vosa for information - can you e-mail?

UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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Just wondered I would like to get a few items clarified - can you e-mail them and if so has anyone got the address ?

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Jenson Button:
Just wondered I would like to get a few items clarified - can you e-mail them and if so has anyone got the address ?

Try googling VOSA don,t forget google is your friend!!

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self.service@vosa.gov.uk

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Thank you.

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Jenson Button:
Just wondered I would like to get a few items clarified - can you e-mail them and if so has anyone got the address ?

dft.gov.uk/vosa/contactus/contactus.htm

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items such as?

because, half of what the eeejits on here say they are going to report to VOSA, have nothing to do with VOSA :unamused:

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  1. If one of our drivers attends a driver CPC courses paid for by himself and not under pressure from us - where do we stand as his employer - was he at rest or work ?
  2. If you have two reduced rests in one Fixed Week — do you have to compensate for the hours of both reduced rests?
    a. Ie. Driver has a 24 hour reduced rest on Monday — leaving 21 hours to pay back, by the end of the third week — he then has a 2nd reduced rest on the Friday, so he can now commence a further 6off 24 hour periods — does he then have to compensate for this 2nd reduced rest?
  3. Double Manning
    a. They are still controlled by 6off 24 hour periods, so their maximum week is still 144 hours — are there any other limits on number of shifts
    b. Are they still limited by the two off 10 hour drives in a fixed week?
    c. Are you still controlled by 3 off reduced rests between weekly rests?

I know I have had answers of you guys on many of the above, but I have also had conflicting adivce off one of the associations - and I do not know if that is the person on the help desk… which you would expect to be trained and as we pay rather a large amount in membership would like to think that they are right.

So would like to get some clarity

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Jenson Button:

  1. If one of our drivers attends a driver CPC courses paid for by himself and not under pressure from us - where do we stand as his employer - was he at rest or work ?
  2. If you have two reduced rests in one Fixed Week — do you have to compensate for the hours of both reduced rests?
    a. Ie. Driver has a 24 hour reduced rest on Monday — leaving 21 hours to pay back, by the end of the third week — he then has a 2nd reduced rest on the Friday, so he can now commence a further 6off 24 hour periods — does he then have to compensate for this 2nd reduced rest?
  3. Double Manning
    a. They are still controlled by 6off 24 hour periods, so their maximum week is still 144 hours — are there any other limits on number of shifts
    b. Are they still limited by the two off 10 hour drives in a fixed week?
    c. Are you still controlled by 3 off reduced rests between weekly rests?

I know I have had answers of you guys on many of the above, but I have also had conflicting adivce off one of the associations - and I do not know if that is the person on the help desk… which you would expect to be trained and as we pay rather a large amount in membership would like to think that they are right.

So would like to get some clarity

1 - this still seems like a grey area because it depends who you who get a reply from at VOSA

2 - any reduced weekly rest not assigned as a weekly rest for any fixed week does not require compensation but is still a weekly rest which resets the 144 hour/ 6 x 24 hour periods rule

3 - All the same as for single drivers - ADD … a 9 hour daily rest when under MM rules = a full daily rest

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Rog… when your double manning - the 9 hours is a full rest - so even if the lads duty time is only say 18 hours, they are allowed a 9 hour rest and can then start another shift ■■

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Jenson Button:
Rog… when your double manning - the 9 hours is a full rest - so even if the lads duty time is only say 18 hours, they are allowed a 9 hour rest and can then start another shift ■■

yes

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shuttlespanker:

Jenson Button:
Rog… when your double manning - the 9 hours is a full rest - so even if the lads duty time is only say 18 hours, they are allowed a 9 hour rest and can then start another shift ■■

yes

ditto

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Apperently if the driver is on dcpc course by choice and not being paid is does not count as work. But it does need to be confirmed

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Jenson Button:
Just wondered I would like to get a few items clarified - can you e-mail them and if so has anyone got the address ?

I have just sent you an email answering one of your questions. You are welcome to use it in your office but I would prefer my name removing.

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Thanks guys and thanks Wheelnut - fully understand and really appreicate it.

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you are generally wasting your time calling or emailing vosa they have dummies who just read off a script ,when asked to elaborate they just repeat them selves ,to get the best answers you need to call an area traffic man on a mobile as they are normally the ones who will see you when you done it wrong.

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I dont know any of these though !

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Best way is to ring your local test station ask for someone who knows what there talking about e.g. area traffic man ,they will give you his mobile.

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That will not help because its how the dcpc rules on training are interpretted that is the issue and so far not one reply has given the legal reason or reference for their answers

The only person who has done so is our site member geebee45 who was a vosa senior traffic examiner until recently
viewtopic.php?f=2&t=57040&p=679458#p679458

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I did my last Dcpc at Argos MP
the instructor said to the class that the 2 agency drivers attending
could either count the day as other work or not it just was up to them
as they had the chose whether to attend or not

As for the Argos employees they had to be there and were being paid so
it was to be taken as other work

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The problem for me is this:-

One of your lads does a DCPC course on a Tuesday… he then turns up for night shift and starts telling me what he has done, etc… - I send him home as I am not happy to send a bloke out who as been awake since 7am and sitting in a classroom from 8 till 4pm… phones for an agency bloke… he comes in to do a shift - find out next morn he had been on the same course as our lad !

Now god forbid the agency bloke had had an accident, or I had sent our lad out knowing he had been up all day - would i be facing the coroner to explain why I had allowed an employee to drive for us ?

I accept that he could have been doing some other educational course i.e open uni, or bricklaying… but you seam to be between a rock and a hard place as an employer- but seeing that the driver would have his hours recorded for his attendance would make it pretty easy to find out what he had, or had not been doing.