just press on with it, good job you dont do groupage or you’d never turn a wheel.
dogruff:
just press on with it, good job you dont do groupage or you’d never turn a wheel.
Even at 52 tonne gross weight ? I think people are missing a lot of the middle posts in this thread. If you press on with it at 52 tonne then you won’t last long turning a wheel !
Makes you wonder - what sort of weight could you get into a double deck ? 
I’ll be honest I’ve pulled worse looking loads but only after strapping them down and I’d rather not talk about weights but I’ve had heavier ( F12 with Smitz fridge with a load of cooking oil in the back . 6 legger unit back in the good old days when it was a 38 ton limit - nobody mentioned that the cooking oil was on special promotion and all the 25 l jars had 25% extra free in them - rolled onto the weighbridge at 54780kgs - opps 
I did wonder why the usual clear shrink wrap had been changed for black and why I thought I was going to run out of gears coming up the m77 out of Glasgow . I still have the weighbridge ticket somewhere .
beefy4605:
Makes you wonder - what sort of weight could you get into a double deck ?
I’ll be honest I’ve pulled worse looking loads but only after strapping them down and I’d rather not talk about weights but I’ve had heavier ( F12 with Smitz fridge with a load of cooking oil in the back . 6 legger unit back in the good old days when it was a 38 ton limit - nobody mentioned that the cooking oil was on special promotion and all the 25 l jars had 25% extra free in them - rolled onto the weighbridge at 54780kgs - opps
From experience I think some of the heaviest loads that can look innocent enough are pallet loads of paper and paper products. 
magazines and news papers - are two to watch out for - looks like there is nothing in the trailer but they weigh out heavy.
Kerbdog:
The picture is not the full picture but what you can’t see is the back of the trailer which is just loaded with full pallets of cider. My question being would you take this trailer out ?0
Ask them to paint the pallets white next time 
well it wont change the weight but it might make it lo a little bit LIGHTER 
ta boom
So first it’s 7 tonne in 28 pallets, then it’s 18 tonne.
If it’s the latter, does that not exceed the lift and rear axles limit?
Would love a name and shame as well.
Ken.
Unless those top boxes contain cuddly toys, then it’s a definite ‘no’ from me.
One good swerve in so much as the ruts in the M1, and over you go!
Heavy pallets will likely concertina into the tops of boxes of the lighter ones below in transit, further adding to the instability of this load - even with sideboards.
There are numerous firms who have no speakie English loaders who’ll not know that a pallet of nuts & bolts labelled as “12 cwt” (means nowt to most foreigners right?) must not be stacked on top of boxes of vending machine plastic cup refills for example.
It’s not about the overall weight, it’s simple centre of gravity stuff.
dogruff:
just press on with it, good job you dont do groupage or you’d never turn a wheel.
Exactly right. Thats how groupage works. And if you have a problem doing it then its…ask them can they…can’t they just…well can they…ask them if they will…can’t you just…
VOSA have just nabbed me for an insecure load…well didn’t you…why did you…how come you…
VOR means jack if there isn’t a procedure in place to prevent its use.
From the complete photo you can see that the side boards are missing, it is those that keep the uprights in position and are necessary.
If I was running a DCPC training centre I would use this thread as example of what not to do!!!
This is in within a board index of uk professional drivers!!! It says up there, above ! would you take this trailer out!
No wonder they is a lot of out of work truck drivers on this forum.
N.b. yes I know the op was testing the water, but I can belive the amount of drivers that said they would take that load out without question! Grow some balls folks.
It’s not that the vehicle is VOR’d or not, it’s the fact that because it went out with a defective marker light, it gives VOSA something to pull them for.
Having a drivepast visible defect draws attention to the offending vehicle.
If you have nothing apparently wrong on a cursory drivepast by a VOSA vehicle, then those running bent here will get away with it, because you’d have to go out of the way to notice many of the things wrong here in the cold dark of night on the way to Fradley Park or wherever.
Ok, a serious list, curtain bulge, sagdown on axles, might be the more obvious thing, but I challenge anyone to tell by looking at a vehicle going in a straight line up the M42 if it has the proverbial boxes of flatpack furniture on top of vending machine cups… It’ll be fine until he has to swerve for any reason!
The drivers I feel sorry for are those that get given a “secured” vehicle all sealed up, and get told to drive it some place, but when the driver asks to open up the back to inspect the weight distribution, he’ll get fobbed off about
"Sorry bud, it’s sealed now, and guvnor’s gone home - look guy, just take it or be escorted from the premises ok?"
This is the sort of attitude that makes “running bent” what it is.
“Running bent” isn’t just about tacho hours and paperwork fiddles, it’s attemting to circumvent ANY law, device, or procedure that is there for a good reason. A Company has to run bent - since the driver caught doing anything wrong like this will just get the boot without further ado.
With all the half-empty trucks I see driving around in this recession as it is, I’m quite frankly amazed that a (apparently more prosperous) firm with ongoing chockablock demand would want to risk it all just to save a few quid by not running truck two with another callout driver ffs! 
Could prove quite amusing to watch that trailer being unloaded after it had been uncoupled!
JUST TO CLEAR THINGS UP :
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This trailer was not the trailer that had top marker light bulb out.
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This trailer was bought 2nd hand, it came without side boards and only 2 moveable posts (there should be 3)
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The manifest said the load was 25 tonne when in reality and upon inspection it was more like 35/36 tonne net (approx 52 tonne GVW) (the ‘weights’ are estimated by the planner/transport dest)
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My opening post was delibrately misleading to see who would question the weight when posed with a load and a manifest that stated a certain weight and who would take that as gospel.
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The driver allocated to take this trailer was a totally different driver to the one who was sacked. This overloaded trailer was an example of what happens and was used to show the double standards of the company as opposed to a VOR’d trailer being taken out with a marker bulb out. The sacked driver was told “It’s our ops license that will get revoked”, hence me starting the thread to show overloaded trailers through ‘estimated’ weights that they don’t seem as worried about when it comes to their o license.
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The driver of the VOR’d trailer checked the trailer a lot more thoroughly than a normal check, but usually they have a defect or it is written on the board why the VOR. It was only written VOR with no reason next to the trailer number and there was no defect note in the book. The driver who got sacked also had that trailer the night before. I’ve found out this morning that the VOR was for TWO top marker lights out on the front of the trailer which he got sacked for. The trailer was dropped off by the sacked driver at a warehouse for loading 20 miles away. Another driver then brought the loaded trailer back throughout the day and dropped it for tipping, VOR’ing it at the sametime for 2 top marker bulbs being out ! The driver who was later sacked was sacked because he took it back out to do a collection when he had no other trailers. If you ask me he couldn’t win, if he hadn’t have taken the trailer then he’d have been the worlds worst !
Well, to put it simply, I wouldn’t work for a firm that didn’t know exactly how much weight was on a trailer and never have done so its a bit of a non issue for me.
personally i think it’s obvious to a blind man on a galloping horse that the it is overweight and unsecure ,Sacking the driver was a way of cutting to a minimum the chances of shoddy work like that load being picked up by VOSA because as has been pointed out small defects give vosa a chance to pull the driver and perform a more thorough investigation so if the company have drivers taking trailers out with small faults then there is more chance of the company getting screwed for sending those loads out
How the ■■■■ can these numptys get it so wrong as an estimation anyway, theres alot of bloody differance between 7 and 18 ton that stevie wonder would spot!
I refuse to take anything out unless I know what its weight is and this i can usually do by looking at cards / charts and wot not that has weights of everything I normally carry. I dont guess thats for sure.
I regularly see our national distribution (Excell) guy once a week, every pallet he carries has its weight printed on a A4 sheet of paper stappled to the pallet.
Ive not driven artics for years now but it looked iffy to me at first glance i gota say.
Winseer:
Heavy pallets will likely concertina into the tops of boxes of the lighter ones below in transit, further adding to the instability of this load - even with sideboards.
Exactly right. I may not do 44 tons but i move enough 1.5, sometimes 1.6 ton pallets of concrete cable troughs to know how they behave when you stack em. They’l go over in the right conditions.
A lot of pallet weights are estimated in the pallet network business.
I see no internal straps not a load for me thank you
Okey-Didley-Dokely:
You never loaded at an Italian groupage house have you! That load is sound
Or for a certain French Morrocan in Bordeaux, Hafid would have been horrified with that loading there is still room to squeeze some stuff in lol