I dug that thread up yesterday and had a read through it, did you ever actually get an NIP?. Two years on and there does seem to be a slight improvement amongst so-called professionals about what is and isn’t a dual carriageway. It’s still a little embarrassing though and I dread to think of the next generation growing up with this lack of basic knowledge.
Did you see what i did there?
no NIP. and Warwickshire Police or who ever runs the camera was informed by Union rep at DHL that camera was on wrong setting.
A quick poll of drivers no doubt would reveal a lot of incorrect answers when asked about speed limits on different carriage ways, of course us being professionals know better, ahem! Cheers Franky.
■■■■ right.
Anyone who has been on a speed awareness course will have heard all kinds of daft statements from experienced car drivers about the various speed limits.
I remember not so long ago someone phoning a radio programme asking the presenter to tell the supermarket lorry in front of them to speed up as 40mph was too slow. The presenter didn’t query it but he did say later that they had beed inundated with calls, and pointing out that the truck driver was simply obeying the law.
Definition of a dual carriageway is simple, it is the separation of lanes of traffic travelling in opposite directions by a central reservation. The central reservation can be a simple grass verge or crash barrier, many I believe think it has to have the crash barrier before a limit of 70 mph can be used, not so. Also the wording ‘Dual Carriageway’ is misunderstood, it means a road where lanes of traffic travel in opposite directions, a dual roadway, and not because the carriageway/road has two lanes. A dual carriageway can have single (rare but usually done after tinkering by DoT), two, three or so on amount of lanes as long as it has the central reservation to separate the traffic. It just happens that in this country most of our Dual Carriageways are made up of two lanes each side and when something different to that confronts drivers they go all wobbly at the knees! Blimey we’ve got Roundabouts to go onto next!
Franky.
Frankydobo:
Amazing where these little snippets of incorrect info or acts come from, not so long ago a lad at work was berating other drivers for not indicating back in once they had overtook him, moaning because not every driver was doing it. He wasn’t aware it wasn’t in the Highway Code and wasn’t a requirement, just something someone started to do and every other sheep decided to follow, I wouldn’t be surprised if Instructors are telling learners to do this, there seems to be a lot doing it now, WHY!
My instructor told me to indicate back in. Can’t recall whether it was a suggestion or an instruction.
In any case I normally do out of habit,although I know I don’t actually have to.
Quote: My instructor told me to indicate back in. Can’t recall whether it was a suggestion or an instruction.
In any case I normally do out of habit,although I know I don’t actually have to.
What you telling the traffic behind you when you indicate, the guy you’ve overtaken expects you to move back in anyway cos that’s what you should do and the guy that’s quickly up your rear end is wanting you to move back in and doesn’t care if you signal or not as long as you get out the way.
A totally pointless manoeuvre that will no doubt become a ‘must do’ and people will be knocked on their tests for failing to do it, I don’t know what it is with this sheep herd culture, people clapping at funerals, audience howling on quiz shows and grown men crying at the drop of a hat, enough to make you cry!
Frankydobo:
Quote: My instructor told me to indicate back in. Can’t recall whether it was a suggestion or an instruction.
In any case I normally do out of habit,although I know I don’t actually have to.
What you telling the traffic behind you when you indicate, the guy you’ve overtaken expects you to move back in anyway cos that’s what you should do and the guy that’s quickly up your rear end is wanting you to move back in and doesn’t care if you signal or not as long as you get out the way.
A totally pointless manoeuvre
It can help though in the situation of making sure that anyone who ‘might’ possibly be thinking of overtaking on the inside sometimes when you’ve moved over into lane 2 to let traffic enter from a slip road for example,or when someone decides to move back into lane 2 from lane 3 while you’re checking the mirrors to overtake something in lane 1.
Also don’t forget when driving outside the uk overtaking on either side is considered as no big deal so a lane change in either direction needs to be carried out using exactly the same sequence of mirror,signal,manouvre.
Frankydobo:
Amazing where these little snippets of incorrect info or acts come from, not so long ago a lad at work was berating other drivers for not indicating back in once they had overtook him, moaning because not every driver was doing it. He wasn’t aware it wasn’t in the Highway Code and wasn’t a requirement, just something someone started to do and every other sheep decided to follow, I wouldn’t be surprised if Instructors are telling learners to do this, there seems to be a lot doing it now, WHY!
I had an older driver on phone the other day, and he actually quoted (what I thought was a very common joke) that we’re not aloud to do more than 2 or 3 nights out in a cab that isn’t an XXL Mega whatever ■■■■■■■■…
I couldn’t believe he came out with it and burst out laughing. Thought he was joking at first, but he genuinely believed it.
Yeah I love these Urban Myths and its amazing how quickly they can spread, even more rubbish is quoted when it comes to legal requirements or documentation, it seems it all depends what people read into something, if you get half a dozen people read a paragraph of information and then pass it onto others they will likely all have different interpretations of what they have just read. The Highway Code is a good example, it puts everything in simple sentences that are easy to understand then the human mind makes it complicated, it then doesn’t help when individuals add their own idea of what is written.
Franky.
Frankydobo:
it puts everything in simple sentences that are easy to understand then the human mind makes it complicated, it then doesn’t help when individuals add their own idea of what is written.
Franky.
You have met ROG then? There is no one finer at complicating the simple and making additions to regulations. He’s a genius at it.
We have an advantage here (well … except in Ohio or Vermont) most state police will not stop a truck driver going up to 10mph over the limit so I would be doing 60mph down that ‘Dual carriageway’. From what I remember the HGV speed limit on such roads if 50 mph unless otherwise posted and the description of a dual carriageway is any highway divided by a central reservation (as seen in the photo), therefore the answer is obvious.
Another advantage we have here id that in most cases the limit for trucks is the same as cars.
Frankydobo:
Yeah I love these Urban Myths and its amazing how quickly they can spread, even more rubbish is quoted when it comes to legal requirements or documentation, it seems it all depends what people read into something, if you get half a dozen people read a paragraph of information and then pass it onto others they will likely all have different interpretations of what they have just read. The Highway Code is a good example, it puts everything in simple sentences that are easy to understand then the human mind makes it complicated, it then doesn’t help when individuals add their own idea of what is written.
Franky.
I know what you mean : the second shooter on the grassy knowl, ufo’s, aliens, man hasn’t been to the moon, global warming isn’t happening, I could go on :
But confusing duel carraigeway and duel lanes is more forgivable and more understandable and not quite as stupid.
Even after 30 years of driving I can never remember who has priority with the sign that has a black arrow and a smaller red arrow
Driveroneuk:
So if a dual carriageway has 3 lanes, is national speed limit (70 for cars) can I, whilst driving an artic, use the outside lane to overtake?
Rog & Neil give 'em a chance before you answer
This one has been done many times on here, but I like the way you have mentioned the speeds limit as if it somehow makes a difference to the answer.
