This Finnish fridge toy takes 120 europallets, because it’s a double decker.
Trailer itself is almost 17 metres long.
Funny how we are now looking at maybe going back to the idea of the once-considered, old-fashioned ‘eight legger and dangler on the hook’, which was the mainstay of UK long-distance haulage in the 1950s and early 60s.
orys:
This Finnish fridge toy takes 120 europallets, because it’s a double decker.
Trailer itself is almost 17 metres long.
120 plts…time for a quick cup of coffee while tipping and checking the load then.
Franglais:
orys:
This Finnish fridge toy takes 120 europallets, because it’s a double decker.
Trailer itself is almost 17 metres long.
120 plts…time for a quick cup of coffee while tipping and checking the load then.
Imagine how many of those little lanes in Aldi/Lidl RDCs would be needed 
Franglais:
120 plts…time for a quick cup of coffee while tipping and checking the load then.
You could probably get wasted on Irish coffee and get sober and ready to drive before they finish 
cav551:
Funny how we are now looking at maybe going back to the idea of the once-considered, old-fashioned ‘eight legger and dangler on the hook’, which was the mainstay of UK long-distance haulage in the 1950s and early 60s.
It would have continued to be the industry standard if the government had allowed 40-45 ft drawbar trailers and an axle weight based regime.As opposed to the artic semi trailer based rail freight benefit scam we ended up with.
The Scandinavians now seem to be following the 4 + 5 9 axle NZ model in that regard.
Carryfast:
The Scandinavians now seem to be following the 4 + 5 9 axle NZ model in that regard.
Edit to add from the lower photo it looks like it’s a 4 + 6 10 axle outfit with a rear steer trailer axle on the overhang.
orys:
This Finnish fridge toy takes 120 europallets, because it’s a double decker.
Trailer itself is almost 17 metres long.
My word that’s a beast of beauty i have to say.
It’s been a while since i worked for them but Visbeen have been using some similar truck/trailer combinations for some time now, although not 120 pallets 
manalishi:
My word that’s a beast of beauty i have to say.
The logical conclusion of the rigid 8 with a proper drawbar configuration ironically started by us allowed under showman’s regs and taken forward by NZ.Europe was actually behind on it with the exception of Italy.
RIPPER:
It’s been a while since i worked for them but Visbeen have been using some similar truck/trailer combinations for some time now, although not 120 pallets
Not allowing the use of full length 40/45ft drawbar trailers never made any sense.
Wouldn’t a double diff job be better for pulling a trailer with so many axles?
Double drive is unnecessary,its just extra weight.Up here 95%of 25mtr trucks are with bogielift.Even in the winter it works ok,just dump the air from the bogie when loaded and going up hills or in snow and you have much more traction.
hutpik:
Double drive is unnecessary,its just extra weight.Up here 95%of 25mtr trucks are with bogielift.Even in the winter it works ok,just dump the air from the bogie when loaded and going up hills or in snow and you have much more traction.
I don`t doubt that you are correct, (it is your back-yard!) but I too find it surprising that one drive axle is enough in the snow.
Franglais:
hutpik:
Double drive is unnecessary,its just extra weight.Up here 95%of 25mtr trucks are with bogielift.Even in the winter it works ok,just dump the air from the bogie when loaded and going up hills or in snow and you have much more traction.I don`t doubt that you are correct, (it is your back-yard!) but I too find it surprising that one drive axle is enough in the snow.
Snow is soft like mud using extra weight for traction just digs it in deeper.
Also the idea of double drive is to reduce drive axle weights with no loss of traction and shares the tractive loads across more driveline components diffs and half shafts.
No point in going for more axles to get more gross weight capacity if you’re still smashing the roads with silly drive axle weights.
Think I’ve seen some suggestions that Norway at least is changing its thinking on double v single drive in that regard ?.
Finland has no shortage of road trains. reddit.com/r/pics/comments/ … europe_33/
As usual Carryfast is commenting on something about which he has no knowledge.Having driven double drives and bogielift trucks in Scandinavia,USSR,ME and Canada double drives may be better in places like USSR and parts of ME\Asia\Northern Canada where the roads are mainly gravel underlay but in Europe\Scandinavia where they are predominantly asfalt then even in winter a bogie is as good as double drive especially if the weight is a consideration.Double drive is used mainly for local work on rigids in areas where snow ploughs are infrequent, for snowploughs and logging roads,small villages etc.Bogie lifts are used on almost all long distance,for weight,tyre wear,and fuel efficiency.
hutpik:
As usual Carryfast is commenting on something about which he has no knowledge.Having driven double drives and bogielift trucks in Scandinavia,USSR,ME and Canada double drives may be better in places like USSR and parts of ME\Asia\Northern Canada where the roads are mainly gravel underlay but in Europe\Scandinavia where they are predominantly asfalt then even in winter a bogie is as good as double drive especially if the weight is a consideration.Double drive is used mainly for local work on rigids in areas where snow ploughs are infrequent, for snowploughs and logging roads,small villages etc.Bogie lifts are used on almost all long distance,for weight,tyre wear,and fuel efficiency.
But most NZ, Australia, Canada and US operators and even here in the days when the rigid 8 was the mainstay of UK haulage, would disagree for ‘all’ of the reasons I’ve given.Especially when you’re talking about 50t + gross weights.
Now awaits I know nothing
those markets are all predominantly unmade loose roads or single drive.
The fact is at best using weight to create traction smashes roads the resulting costs of which exceed any fuel savings and defeats the object of using a 9 or 10 axle outfit.Bearing in mind the ability to dump a lift bogie of a loaded truck is often locked out by law for that reason.
I agree with Franglais for a change.
Whatever,strange there are so few double drives in Scandinavia considering we have 6 months of winter.America lives in the past as can be seen by their equipment.Bogie lift overrides are quite legal here as it saves fitting chains which do more damage.
hutpik:
Whatever,strange there are so few double drives in Scandinavia considering we have 6 months of winter.America lives in the past as can be seen by their equipment.Bogie lift overrides are quite legal here as it saves fitting chains which do more damage.
In this case Euroland is clearly only now just finding a configuration which we pioneered and NZ has then ran with to great effect.
In all cases the realisation, that there’s not much point in going with an up to 10 axle outfit if you’re still going to smash the roads with 15t drive axle weights, applies.
While if America is backward it’s not because they realise that there’s no point in saving a penny on fuel to spend a pound on road damage.More like a country of that size still hauling less than 38t gross on 5 axle artics around the place.