working time

rog · 13 January 2008 08:08

Simon:

gothika:
cheers m8 thanx very much

You have much to learn at the knee of the master, Grasshopper

Another point is, this site is free to use, so you can type words out fully.
We don’t charge you any more for this service.

AH, the young and their text speech

floridaern · 13 January 2008 08:14

Cheers - thanks for the info. This POA thing was getting me a little confused, but as I’m starting work at 3-30 in the morning, I’m limited to a 10 hours day , so it’s important that I put down all the “non-working” hours that I can.

tachograph · 13 January 2008 08:22

FloridaErn:
Cheers - thanks for the info. This POA thing was getting me a little confused, but as I’m starting work at 3-30 in the morning, I’m limited to a 10 hours day , so it’s important that I put down all the “non-working” hours that I can.

In that case you’re best choice is obviously POA, assuming that you want to do more than the ten hours working time and don’t have a workforce agreement in place then I’d say this is a classic case of where POA can be used to the drivers advantage.

Having said that I assume you know that you could ignore the ten hour night rule if you had a workforce collective agreement in place at the company you work for.

floridaern · 13 January 2008 08:27

I’m not sure whether there is any agreement in force, but the place does work 24/7 so they may have one. However, as I’m doing agency work and therefore employed by the agency not the client, I don’t think any agreement they have in place would apply to me.

rog · 13 January 2008 08:50

FloridaErn:
I’m not sure whether there is any agreement in force, but the place does work 24/7 so they may have one. However, as I’m doing agency work and therefore employed by the agency not the client, I don’t think any agreement they have in place would apply to me.

I believe you are right - the agreement would have to be with your employer, the agency.

wheel_nut · 13 January 2008 08:58

tachograph:
POA is a “Period of Availability”, a period when you’re available for work but not actually working, such as waiting at a depot to unload as long as you know in advance how long you will be waiting.

So when I arrive at a customer I have never been to before, and ask the hooded yoof on the forklift how long he will be. He replies, when im zb ready mate, you drivers are always in a zb rush, im off for a ■■■ innit

Should I try to guess how long hooded yoof will be or do I just slap him there and then? Can I claim POA as I could be here hours now

tachograph · 13 January 2008 09:17

Wheel Nut:

tachograph:
POA is a “Period of Availability”, a period when you’re available for work but not actually working, such as waiting at a depot to unload as long as you know in advance how long you will be waiting.

So when I arrive at a customer I have never been to before, and ask the hooded yoof on the forklift how long he will be. He replies, when im zb ready mate, you drivers are always in a zb rush, im off for a ■■■ innit

Should I try to guess how long hooded yoof will be or do I just slap him there and then? Can I claim POA as I could be here hours now

Well you could find someone more responsible to ask, but the option of slapping said hooded yoof and making an educated guess at how long it will take him to regain consciousness seems as good as any option available, that seems to cover all requirements for POA

coffeeholic · 13 January 2008 09:32

Wheel Nut:
So when I arrive at a customer I have never been to before, and ask the hooded yoof on the forklift how long he will be. He replies, when im zb ready mate, you drivers are always in a zb rush, im off for a ■■■ innit

Should I try to guess how long hooded yoof will be or do I just slap him there and then? Can I claim POA as I could be here hours now

Even with the response from the hooded yoof you could still claim it as POA - although not strictly legally - because if VOSA were to check your records in 6 months time and pay a visit to the hooded, failed medical experiment, to ask him if he had advised MR W Nut, 6 months previously, of the time it would take or is Mr Nut pulling a fast one and falsely claiming POA, the best response they are going to get is - “Eh? Grunt. Dunno, I remember he slapped me though.”

The whole POA thing is unenforceable so if it suits you to book it, just book it.

dambuster · 13 January 2008 12:38

Coffeeholic:
The whole POA thing is unenforceable so if it suits you to book it, just book it.

That’s my way of thinking too

I’ve decided to view the whole WTD/POA/etcetc as a paper exercise.

Digi tachos default to other work when I stop. By the time I’ve bimbled over to book in with said Hooded Yoof then bimbled back to my motor, I’ve shown “some other work” so while I’m waiting I’ll hit the mode switch (well, button really)

If I get stopped by a red traffic light/traffic queue/etc the machine will default and record “some more other work”

Come the end of the day I print out (or use a chart checker) to add ALL the POAs and ALL breaks recorded together in one sum, deduct that figure from my total working day, the remainder goes in the “working time” column on my timesheet. I post my timesheet into the office then check the following Friday I’ve been paid for ALL the time I’ve had my card in the machine.

I live in a very simple world