mick.mh2racing:
I agree with Rog about Wtd being Micky Mouse but my employer sacked a driver for 6 infringements in 3 weeks for maybe 2 or 5 minutes over his 6 hour period.
So it might be a nonsense but employers don’t always treat it with the contempt they should.
Once in 3 weeks would be unfortunate but 6 in 3 weeks is taking the ■■■■ though!
Think I get about 1 infringement (maybe 2 at the most) in a 12 month period.
ROG:
WTD infringements are only company ones - the authorities are not interested
Don’t listen to him 
The authorities ‘may’ be interested. 
If I’m reading his question correctly, he is asking about EU rules for driving/resting time(“EU people happy”). Well the rules say no more the 4,5hrs driving without 45min break.
The author of the thread did drove for 7 hours without break…you bet he will get infringement.
In EU he will get hefty fine as well if caught by authorities.
shep532:
ROG:
WTD infringements are only company ones - the authorities are not interestedDon’t listen to him
Can you list a case where they have been 
Dolph:
If I’m reading his question correctly, he is asking about EU rules for driving/resting time(“EU people happy”). Well the rules say no more the 4,5hrs driving without 45min break.
The author of the thread did drove for 7 hours without break…you bet he will get infringement.
In EU he will get hefty fine as well if caught by authorities.
No. He was definitely not on about driving time, (he said that was sorted) it was a WTD infringement.
Dolph:
If I’m reading his question correctly, he is asking about EU rules for driving/resting time(“EU people happy”). Well the rules say no more the 4,5hrs driving without 45min break.
The author of the thread did drove for 7 hours without break…you bet he will get infringement.
In EU he will get hefty fine as well if caught by authorities.
You are not reading it correctly mate, the op stated that his driving time was ok, but that he got a WTD infringement. In fact he even went as far as titling his thread "Working Time Directive. Hth.
Edit to add, Gembo beat me to it by two minutes! Really should learn to type with more than one finger. 
OK thanks, yes he wrote WTR infringement, but what this sentence suppose to mean? “So have you got to take a break after every 6 hours at work to keep the EU people sorted ■■”
Dolph:
OK thanks, yes he wrote WTR infringement, but what this sentence suppose to mean? “So have you got to take a break after every 6 hours at work to keep the EU people sorted ■■”
Dolph forget tacho rules u can’t go over six hrs without a break
LostSomeWhere:
Dolph:
OK thanks, yes he wrote WTR infringement, but what this sentence suppose to mean? “So have you got to take a break after every 6 hours at work to keep the EU people sorted ■■”Dolph forget tacho rules u can’t go over six hrs without a break
Not tacho (EU) rules but RT(WT)R or WTD rules and it applies to 6 hours working time not shift time
ROG:
shep532:
ROG:
WTD infringements are only company ones - the authorities are not interestedDon’t listen to him
Can you list a case where they have been
No - but I do know that it has been used against operators for various reasons as a way of ‘increasing the wrap sheet’. I know DVSA have checked WTD records at operator premises so it must be of interest to them. Why are they checking if it doesn’t matter?
I also know a driver that was called to a conduct hearing to explain why he repeatedly exceeded the 60 hour working week. I have no evidence, there wasn’t a prosecution or fine because that is not how TCs work. I do know he was referred to the TC by VOSA officers. He was warned and advised that the TC expects better.
We know there are no fixed penalties or roadside enforcement (although I do know one driver was told to take a 45m break at a roadside check because he had worked more than 6 hours without a break) but I think it is wrong to suggest it doesn’t matter. It is a legal requirement be that right or wrong.
I would suggest read the standard undertakings that apply to any operator licence - the first two points say it all. It is a criminal offence for an operator to fail to comply with those undertakings. roadskills.biz/assets/files/ … erhead.pdf
Thanks for all the replies for this…I’ll take a slap on the wrist for it and remember to take a break after every 6 hours of work.
Fancy getting told off for working too much !
Never thought I’d see the day !!
Cheers
ilikemonkeypoo:
Thanks for all the replies for this…I’ll take a slap on the wrist for it and remember to take a break after every 6 hours of work.Fancy getting told off for working too much !
Never thought I’d see the day !!
Cheers
Manage your day better and a 45 (or 15 + 30) taken at the right time can make your life easier, pushing to the limits can end up with you getting infringements and disciplinaries or taking extra breaks to avoid them that can really screw up your day.
war1974:
its a stupid pointless law.
Is it really? I wouldn’t want to work over six hours continuously without stopping for 15 mins.
Some folk get so worked up over the hours don’t they!
Mobile worker or not WTD break time goes for all trades,you can not work more than 6 hours without a break.
Limits also apply to certain age groups as to how many hours they can work without taking a break.
Why anybody in their right mind wants to work in excess of 6 hours without a break irrespective of WTD Rules
xxmitaxx:
Immigrant:
ROG:
The WTD rules for mobile workers state that no driver shall work for more than 6 hours without taking at least a 15 min break
That 6 hour rule applies to all of the shift and not just the first 6 hoursWTD infringements are only company ones - the authorities are not interested
Do you not neet 30 minutes to work over the 6 Hour?
Only at DHL
Employed by DHL here - No-one has ever said a thing about me working 6 hrs+ with only a 15 minute break recorded.
lolipop:
Mobile worker or not WTD break time goes for all trades,you can not work more than 6 hours without a break.
Limits also apply to certain age groups as to how many hours they can work without taking a break.Why anybody in their right mind wants to work in excess of 6 hours without a break irrespective of WTD Rules
I can think of a few ‘trades’ where the six hour rule is not practical, especially if that person is involved with ‘emergency’ or critical maintenance roles.
Having said that, whilst the specialist HGV’s I currently drive are exempt from most legislations, I still make sure I have ample breaks, as I still have to share the roads with others.
LIBERTY_GUY:
lolipop:
Mobile worker or not WTD break time goes for all trades,you can not work more than 6 hours without a break.
Limits also apply to certain age groups as to how many hours they can work without taking a break.Why anybody in their right mind wants to work in excess of 6 hours without a break irrespective of WTD Rules
I can think of a few ‘trades’ where the six hour rule is not practical, especially if that person is involved with ‘emergency’ or critical maintenance roles.
Having said that, whilst the specialist HGV’s I currently drive are exempt from most legislations, I still make sure I have ample breaks, as I still have to share the roads with others.
Could not agree with you more,but some people just don`t know when to stop, for what ever reason,regardless of exemptions.
ilikemonkeypoo:
Had a Working Time directive Infringement flagged up on my digi tacho.I worked/drove from 06.00 till 17.00 and took my break at 09.15 till 10.00.
I know my driving time is sorted but its flagged up due to the fact that I never took another break for the rest of the day.
So have you got to take a break after every 6 hours at work to keep the EU people sorted ■■
Never been flagged up before.
First question on here, be gentle…
Cheers
Don’t worry ,got stuck trying to get out of central London other night,5 hrs 30 driving by the time I parked up ,just wrote it on printout ,over driving time due to heavy traffic in London and site wouldn’t let me stop for 45 ,just put it on printout ,I’ve got a a4 folder full of them since I’ve been doing central London ,lads at Earl’s Court good bunch ,let me have a 45 plus a breakfast and a pee
From the end of your break at 1000 you need to have another 30m break before 4pm. WTD.