gothika:
hi guys I work for a company that make you graft, as far as I ve been told no one in the uk has been prosecuted for working time directive .
I know the law but think company turning blind eye.
I started work sunday noon should have got back Friday night no one to rescue me anyway
and was told to pick up a job Saturday morning so worked 3 hrs today.finished 12 noon
my contract is sunday to Friday Saturday is overtime
I ll be going back to work tomorrow night about 6pm is 30 hrs rest
last weekend had 39 hrs rest
weekend before 24 hrs rest so have nt had 45 hours rest
other morning by mistake should have had 9 hrs rest tired put card in 8 hrs 10 mins by mistake
I have no problem with driving time breaks 6 hour breaks wtd.
so am I looking at serious fines as I know self employed drivers work all hours don t care.
and sometimes I do split daily rest 3 hrs break and then 9 hrs break
I ve a feeling if I moan to company they ll just say look for another job.
we do a lot of breaks during day waiting and poa
And don’t even THINK about pulling your card as you will then be committing a higher level offence IN ADDITION to those you’ve already committed and could be enjoying Her Majestys’ porridge and they don’t make the best porridge…time to grow a pair or move on rapidly then keep your fingers crossed for a few months. I’d be asking for a new digi card too to replace the one I’d lost…
harrawaffa:
Cut your digi card in half and apply for a new one before you get pulled and the DVSA see your flagrant disregard for the rules.
What do you think cutting the card up will achieve when the digi tacho head retains several months of records including whose card was in when?
Starting fresh with a new card and a new company and adhering to the regs if he gets pulled the DVSA would have no interest in what had gone on previously.
Wrong. And to think how much people moan like [zb] about the DCPC and then you read some of the crap that’s on here!
Right genius enlighten us then how on a road side stop with a new card and a different vehicle how previous infringements can be detected which were committed on a different card and recorded on the head of a different vehicle?
Conor:
What do you think cutting the card up will achieve when the digi tacho head retains several months of records including whose card was in when?
Starting fresh with a new card and a new company and adhering to the regs if he gets pulled the DVSA would have no interest in what had gone on previously.
Wrong. And to think how much people moan like [zb] about the DCPC and then you read some of the crap that’s on here!
Right genius enlighten us then how on a road side stop with a new card and a different vehicle how previous infringements can be detected which were committed on a different card and recorded on the head of a different vehicle?
Conor has already explained it? All the information is recorded on your card AND the tacho unit in the truck and it will remain there until it gets written over by new info and that could take months. Genius.
TiredAndEmotional:
Conor has already explained it? All the information is recorded on your card AND the tacho unit in the truck and it will remain there until it gets written over by new info and that could take months. Genius.
I’m well aware of how a tacho works thanks. You obviously haven’t read my original post because you’ve gone on to tell him to do exactly what I had posted. The card with the infringements is ‘‘lost’’ and he’s driving for a different firm. If he’s now sticking to the rules and get’s a pull the DVSA wouldn’t be able to see any previous infringements and would have no reason to dig further. Genius.
TiredAndEmotional:
Conor has already explained it? All the information is recorded on your card AND the tacho unit in the truck and it will remain there until it gets written over by new info and that could take months. Genius.
I’m well aware of how a tacho works thanks. You obviously haven’t read my original post because you’ve gone on to tell him to do exactly what I had posted. The card with the infringements is ‘‘lost’’ and he’s driving for a different firm. If he’s now sticking to the rules and get’s a pull the DVSA wouldn’t be able to see any previous infringements and would have no reason to dig further. Genius.
Maybe when he’s rested and rational he’ll apologise to you
TiredAndEmotional:
Conor has already explained it? All the information is recorded on your card AND the tacho unit in the truck and it will remain there until it gets written over by new info and that could take months. Genius.
I’m well aware of how a tacho works thanks. You obviously haven’t read my original post because you’ve gone on to tell him to do exactly what I had posted. The card with the infringements is ‘‘lost’’ and he’s driving for a different firm. If he’s now sticking to the rules and get’s a pull the DVSA wouldn’t be able to see any previous infringements and would have no reason to dig further. Genius.
“Losing” his digi card will reduce the odds of him coming unstuck with a pull. However, there will still be a record of his crimes in the tacho unit of any truck he has driven and been a naughty boy in. Whether he is driving one of those or perhaps another driver is, that incriminating information will be available to vosa in those trucks until it is eventually overwritten by further activity. Even if he leaves this shower there will still be a trace of his naughtiness in the trucks he leaves behind. Got it yet? Genius!
harrawaffa:
Right genius enlighten us then how on a road side stop with a new card and a different vehicle how previous infringements can be detected which were committed on a different card and recorded on the head of a different vehicle?
The way the OPs company seems to operate it wouldn’t be beyond belief that DVSA could end up in their premises at some point.
Let’s say the OP leaves and also gets a new card. The truck he used to drive is stopped, a VU download carried out and the OPs weekly rest infringements spotted along with everyone else’s. A site visit follows - they find the OP no longer employed.
There is nothing to stop DVSA contacting the OP and taking it further. Weekly rest infringements are serious.
Torch the office as well for the digi downloads and any paperwork. Find out if they have their server backed up at a 3rd party and torch their server rooms.
harrawaffa:
Cut your digi card in half and apply for a new one before you get pulled and the DVSA see your flagrant disregard for the rules.
What do you think cutting the card up will achieve when the digi tacho head retains several months of records including whose card was in when?
Starting fresh with a new card and a new company and adhering to the regs if he gets pulled the DVSA would have no interest in what had gone on previously.
Wrong. And to think how much people moan like [zb] about the DCPC and then you read some of the crap that’s on here!
TiredAndEmotional:
[ “Losing” his digi card will reduce the odds of him coming unstuck with a pull. However, there will still be a record of his crimes in the tacho unit of any truck he has driven and been a naughty boy in. Whether he is driving one of those or perhaps another driver is, that incriminating information will be available to vosa in those trucks until it is eventually overwritten by further activity. Even if he leaves this shower there will still be a trace of his naughtiness in the trucks he leaves behind. Got it yet? Genius!
harrawaffa:
Right genius enlighten us then how on a road side stop with a new card and a different vehicle how previous infringements can be detected which were committed on a different card and recorded on the head of a different vehicle?
The way the OPs company seems to operate it wouldn’t be beyond belief that DVSA could end up in their premises at some point.
Let’s say the OP leaves and also gets a new card. The truck he used to drive is stopped, a VU download carried out and the OPs weekly rest infringements spotted along with everyone else’s. A site visit follows - they find the OP no longer employed.
There is nothing to stop DVSA contacting the OP and taking it further. Weekly rest infringements are serious.
To be fair Shep, he said at a road side pull, he’s not said that he would be in the clear full stop
hi guys I phoned work told them I cannot run out sunday they listened and agreed to run legal I can t start till 9am today 45 hours off last weekend had 28 hours rest so next weekend as far as I know I need a 45 rest plus compensation of 17 hours total time off 62 hours off is that correct to wipe slate clean ■■
I said I prefer to work one on one off weekend if work two have to have 2 off thank you.
I work in uk my company is in Ireland that’s why they did not know my hours as post them through.
gothika:
hi guys I phoned work told them I cannot run out sunday they listened and agreed to run legal I can t start till 9am today 45 hours off last weekend had 28 hours rest so next weekend as far as I know I need a 45 rest plus compensation of 17 hours total time off 62 hours off is that correct to wipe slate clean ■■
I said I prefer to work one on one off weekend if work two have to have 2 off thank you.
I work in uk my company is in Ireland that’s why they did not know my hours as post them through.
It will clear that particular issue but you really need to understand the difference between the working time directive and the regs regarding driving hours etc. Don’t confuse the two. The problem you raised here has less to do with WTD and everything to do with tacho hours. Understand the terminology used, I know it can be confusing. For example, many drivers see no difference between the terms rest and break but legally there is a world of difference. Rest is the term used when work is finished entirely for the day or week. So, daily rest equals 9 or 11 hours not 15 or 30 minutes. Breaks are the much shorter periods taken throughout your working day and may be 15, 30, 45 minutes or more. Now try to stay away from the bogeymen!
gothika:
hi guys I phoned work told them I cannot run out sunday they listened and agreed to run legal .
That was big of them eh?.
As for them ‘‘not knowing your hours as they are in Ireland’’.
I’d like to bet a week’s wages that they did, think the true version would be ‘’ they did not give a ■■■■ about my hours, and let me carry on regardless’’
gothika:
hi guys I phoned work told them I cannot run out sunday they listened and agreed to run legal I can t start till 9am today 45 hours off last weekend had 28 hours rest so next weekend as far as I know I need a 45 rest plus compensation of 17 hours total time off 62 hours off is that correct to wipe slate clean ■■
You said before that you had a reduced weekly period of 39 hours last week and a reduced weekly rest period of 24 hours the weekend before that.
Without knowing exactly what weekly rest you had it’s hard to say when the compensation has to be paid back by, but compensation for reduced weekly rest has to be paid back by the end of the third week following the week in which the reduced weekly rest was taken.
With that in mind, it seems likely that you will need to repay 21 hours compensation by Sunday midnight 5 February, you will then need to pay back the compensation for last weeks reduced weekly rest period by the end of the following week.
Having said that, if you did have 39 hours off the other weekend and have had a long daily rest period since then, you may have already paid back the 6 hours compensation.
gothika:
I said I prefer to work one on one off weekend if work two have to have 2 off thank you.
I don’t mean any offence mate but you really need to learn and understand the rules regarding weekly rest periods, you cannot just say if you have 2 reduced weekly rest periods you prefer then to have 2 weekends off, it just doesn’t work that way.
Although in exceptional circumstances you can have only reduced weekly rest periods in 2 consecutive weeks generally you can’t and will be parked up and fined if you do and then get stopped.
A lad that works with us in uk says our company in ireland downloads our trucks and digi card by remote i honestly can t believe that how is that possible is there a way he can download by remote its a bit hard to believe but technology these days it could be my tacho keeps say download required 1 day i don t believe it. I do know the difference between wtd hours and driving hours and breaks i ll be sticking to the rules coz its my licence and it could also effect his operaters licence and vosa have green red amber for companys
…you’re welcome. 
