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UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUMS THE UK PROFESSIONAL DRIVERS FORUM (INTERACTIVE)
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gnasty gnome:

cieranc:
A second job isn’t other work though, unless that second job is driving.
What’s doing office work got to do with driving?

Work is work, as far as the law is concerned. It doesn’t matter if you’re working in the office, cleaning it or even building it. It’s work.

Ross is absolutely correct. If you are working in another non-driving job, in other words NOT free to dispose of your time as you wish (which is the definition of resting according to VOSA) you need to keep a log of it if you drive part-time.

Will they believe you if you say you haven’t got another job, that is the point. There appears to be a guilty until you prove your innocence policy.

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Page 30, Rules on Drivers’ Hours and Tachographs (GV262-03:
Recording other work
Drivers must record all other work and periods of availability — including work for other employers — on all driving and non-driving days within a week where they have undertaken driving that comes within the scope of the EU rules on drivers’ hours since their last weekly rest.
For example, a driver who works in a warehouse on Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday and wishes to drive a vehicle within the scope of the EU rules on Thursday of the same week must complete records for Monday, Tuesday and Wednesday.
The record must be either:
u written manually on a chart;
u written manually on a printout from a digital tachograph;
u made by using the manual input facility of a digital tachograph; or
u for days where a driver has been subject to the domestic drivers’ hours rules and a record is legally
required (see page 27), recorded in a domestic log book.
For the non-driving days, the record may simply show the driver’s name, the date, and the start and finish of the shift. These records must be carried on the vehicle by the driver to be produced to enforcement officers for the relevant period (see individual sections on how to make manual entries).

All the info is in HERE

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Years ago i got told once you put a tacho in , your working on drivers hours all week, regardless if its your main job.

could well be BS

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Grahamy:
Years ago i got told once you put a tacho in , your working on drivers hours all week, regardless if its your main job.

could well be BS

Siunce that would only cause problems when you’re actually driving HGV (rest of the time you’re only likely to fall foul of WTD rules) it’s not an issue.

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The answer given in the first two replies was correct :wink:

This has nothing to do with the WTD apart from the fact that the definition of “other work” is in the working time regulations, it’s all about the (EC) 561/2006 tachograph regulations.

Legally any none driving work done in the same week that you drive to EU regulations is classed as other work and should be recorded as such on a tachograph chart/printout.

Some opeople have said that VOSA have agreed to accept records in a diary or similar which seems reasonable, but legally VOSA require the records to be on charts or printouts or if you’ve driven to domestic rules on a log sheet.

Article 4 - (EC) 561/2006

‘other work’ means all activities which are defined as
working time in Article 3(a) of Directive 2002/15/EC
except ‘driving’, including any work for the same or
another employer, within or outside of the transport
sector;

edit:
The only records that need to be kept for none driving days are date, start/finish times and the drivers name.

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tachograph:
Some opeople have said that VOSA have agreed to accept records in a diary or similar which seems reasonable, but legally VOSA require the records to be on charts or printouts or if you’ve driven to domestic rules on a log sheet.

Not correct, this is only if driving is your main activity or full time job, if your not a driver, but drive occasionally, you should keep records of dates worked & start finish times in a diary.

Ross.

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bigr250:

tachograph:
Some opeople have said that VOSA have agreed to accept records in a diary or similar which seems reasonable, but legally VOSA require the records to be on charts or printouts or if you’ve driven to domestic rules on a log sheet.

Not correct, this is only if driving is your main activity or full time job, if your not a driver, but drive occasionally, you should keep records of dates worked & start finish times in a diary.

Ross.

You only need to keep records for the week in which you drive to EU regulations and as has been quoted by MADBAZ a few posts above VOSA require the records to be on charts/printouts.
Though as I said some people have been told by individual VOSA bods that they will accept a diary ec’t.

Anyway this is getting off the topic a bit because the OP asked about driving on the same day as doing another job and the record for other work on the same day should be done on a chart if using an analogue tachograph or manually entered into a digital tachcograph :wink:

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bigr250:

tachograph:
Some opeople have said that VOSA have agreed to accept records in a diary or similar which seems reasonable, but legally VOSA require the records to be on charts or printouts or if you’ve driven to domestic rules on a log sheet.

Not correct, this is only if driving is your main activity or full time job, if your not a driver, but drive occasionally, you should keep records of dates worked & start finish times in a diary.

Ross.

Dont you have to a letter of atestation or what ever its called, if you only ocasionaly drive :confused:

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tachograph:
You only need to keep records for the week in which you drive to EU regulations and as has been quoted by MADBAZ a few posts above VOSA require the records to be on charts/printouts.
Though as I said some people have been told by individual VOSA bods that they will accept a diary ec’t.

It was suggested that I fill in tacho’s but when I told him I might drive 3 days one week then not again for the next three weeks he came out with the diary scheme!!

Ross.