I’m in need of some mother trucking help with squeezing in driving hours around my normal day job.
I work in retail to pay the mortgage but want to get into driving full time then ditch the retail job eventually. I think the safest option is to drive at weekends when permitted legally and build up my driving experience until I get a full time driving job lined up.
My retail job is 09.00-17.00 Mon to Fri (7 hours) and 09.00-12.00 sat (3 hours)
I will have 45 hours rest from sat 12.00 to Mon 09.00.
Work retail job Mon to sat = 38 hours.
Can I then do reduced rest of 9 hours (12.00-21.00 sat) Commence driving job at at 21.00 Sat for max 10 hours which takes me to 07.00 sun.
Then back to retail job on Mon 09.00 as I would have had a reduced rest of at least 24 hours?
I would have worked 86 hours in two week period (38 hours in 1st week at retail +38 retail+10 driving in 2nd week) so I would be within my max of 90 hours in 2 week period.
I think the reduced rest needs to be made up in the 2nd week which I would fall foul of! Any advice on what would be legally correct to driving hours? Do I need the reduced rest of 9 hours on Sat after I finish retail job at 12.00?
I get one Saturday off a month so possibly starting as soon as legally permitted after I finish retail job at 17.00 on Fri would give me that bit extra rest time?
Think adding a degree in mathematics to the CPC would help new drivers like me get into the business.
Any positive guidance is much appreciated.
Forget 90 hours per fortnight that’s driving time only. You can work 60 hours per week averaged to 48 over a reference period of up to 26 weeks. It’s usually either 17 or 26, we do 26.
You could do a Saturday night one week from 21:00 to 07:00 then have 26 off leaving you needing 64 hours off by the end of the third week which you’ll get when you have a Saturday off.
Or, on your Saturday off week you could work from 2am to mid day and still squeeze a 45 in with nothing to compensate.
I’m in need of some mother trucking help with squeezing in driving hours around my normal day job.
I work in retail to pay the mortgage but want to get into driving full time then ditch the retail job eventually. I think the safest option is to drive at weekends when permitted legally and build up my driving experience until I get a full time driving job lined up.
My retail job is 09.00-17.00 Mon to Fri (7 hours) and 09.00-12.00 sat (3 hours)
I will have 45 hours rest from sat 12.00 to Mon 09.00.
Work retail job Mon to sat = 38 hours.
Can I then do reduced rest of 9 hours (12.00-21.00 sat) Commence driving job at at 21.00 Sat for max 10 hours which takes me to 07.00 sun.
Then back to retail job on Mon 09.00 as I would have had a reduced rest of at least 24 hours?
I would have worked 86 hours in two week period (38 hours in 1st week at retail +38 retail+10 driving in 2nd week) so I would be within my max of 90 hours in 2 week period.
I think the reduced rest needs to be made up in the 2nd week which I would fall foul of! Any advice on what would be legally correct to driving hours? Do I need the reduced rest of 9 hours on Sat after I finish retail job at 12.00?
I get one Saturday off a month so possibly starting as soon as legally permitted after I finish retail job at 17.00 on Fri would give me that bit extra rest time?
Think adding a degree in mathematics to the CPC would help new drivers like me get into the business.
Any positive guidance is much appreciated.
You could work as a driver one day every second week with the hours you’ve mentioned, in weeks when you drive you would have a reduced weekly rest period of at-least 24 hours, the way I see it the compensation for that would be paid back the following week when you didn’t do any driving work.
In weeks when you drive you would need a rest period of at-least 9 hours before starting the driving job.
Also in weeks when you drive you should keep a record of the retail working hours, these records can be made on a chart or printout (log sheets won’t apply to you), the records should consist of the date, start and finish times, your name or licence number and your signature.
You don’t need to keep records of work done in weeks when you don’t drive but as the days off will be used as compensation for the reduced weekly rest periods it would probably be a good idea to keep a record of your days of rest.
The weekly/fortnightly hours won’t matter because your retail job doesn’t come in-scope of the road transport working time regulations.
tachograph:
the way I see it the compensation for that would be paid back the following week when you didn’t do any driving work.
Just to clarify, doing a weeks work that doesn’t involve any driving cancels out the need for reduced weekly rest compensation ?
Driving for only one shift every other weekend means that records will only be needed for every other week so in the non records week it will be assumed that a regular weekly rest was taken and compensation sorted
If the authorities suspect that this is not happening then its up to them to spend the time and effort to prove it
In this case the driver would be in how water if he did drive every other weekend and was investigated because there is nowhere to pay back the hours from a reduced weekly rest
tachograph:
the way I see it the compensation for that would be paid back the following week when you didn’t do any driving work.
Just to clarify, doing a weeks work that doesn’t involve any driving cancels out the need for reduced weekly rest compensation ?
Driving for only one shift every other weekend means that records will only be needed for every other week so in the non records week it will be assumed that a regular weekly rest was taken and compensation sorted
If the authorities suspect that this is not happening then its up to them to spend the time and effort to prove it
In this case the driver would be in how water if he did drive every other weekend and was investigated because there is nowhere to pay back the hours from a reduced weekly rest
Care to explain ?
The OP will be having a rest period of 45 consecutive hours in weeks when no weekly rest period is required because he won’t be driving in-scope of EU regulations, so how would he not be able to pay back the compensation ?
tachograph:
the way I see it the compensation for that would be paid back the following week when you didn’t do any driving work.
Just to clarify, doing a weeks work that doesn’t involve any driving cancels out the need for reduced weekly rest compensation ?
No, a none driving week doesn’t cancel out the need to pay back compensation for previous reduced weekly rest periods.
If no driving in-scope of EU regulations is done in a fixed week then no weekly rest period is required for that week.
The weeks when the OP does no driving (every second week) he will still be having a rest period of 45 hours (12:00 Saturday to 09:00 Monday), as no weekly rest period is required for the EU regulations most of that time can be used as compensation for the previous weeks reduced weekly rest period.
OP has regular weekly rest from 1200 sat to 0900 mon = 45 hours
On a reduced the OP is likely to have about 24 hours off so where does he payback if this is done every other week?
How would 45 hours off be a regular and a payback at the same time?
ROG:
OP has regular weekly rest from 1200 sat to 0900 mon = 45 hours
On a reduced the OP is likely to have about 24 hours off so where does he payback if this is done every other week?
How would 45 hours off be a regular and a payback at the same time?
In weeks when he does no driving he doesn’t need a regular weekly rest period, so the question is irrelevant.
ROG:
OP has regular weekly rest from 1200 sat to 0900 mon = 45 hours
On a reduced the OP is likely to have about 24 hours off so where does he payback if this is done every other week?
How would 45 hours off be a regular and a payback at the same time?
In weeks when he does no driving he doesn’t need a regular weekly rest period, so the question is irrelevant.
Perhaps my brain is not working right today but I thought the inference was that a regular weekly rest was deemed to be taken in the week where no driving was done ?
ROG:
OP has regular weekly rest from 1200 sat to 0900 mon = 45 hours
On a reduced the OP is likely to have about 24 hours off so where does he payback if this is done every other week?
How would 45 hours off be a regular and a payback at the same time?
In weeks when he does no driving he doesn’t need a regular weekly rest period, so the question is irrelevant.
Perhaps my brain is not working right today but I thought the inference was that a regular weekly rest was deemed to be taken in the week where no driving was done ?
I don’t know who you’re suggesting has inferred that a weekly rest period is assumed to have been taken in weeks when no driving is done to EU regulaitons
I certainly have never said that, I’m pretty sure neither Coffeeholic or geebee45 would have said that, and I don’t remember anyone else ever saying it either, VOSA make it clear on page 29 of GV262 that “A weekly rest period is not required in a fixed week where a driver does not drive under EU rules” so it’s not VOSA either.
So what we are saying is that this is legal …
Work 12 hours a day in a non Eu regs job from mon to sun in week 1 then mon to fri in week 2 with an EU regs driving day on the week 2 Saturday leaving just 1 sunday off in every 2 weeks?
So what we are saying is that this is legal …
Work 12 hours a day in a non Eu regs job from mon to sun in week 1 then mon to fri in week 2 with an EU regs driving day on the week 2 Saturday leaving just 1 sunday off in every 2 weeks?
You may be saying that’s legal on a regular basis but I’m certainly not saying that.
So what we are saying is that this is legal …
Work 12 hours a day in a non Eu regs job from mon to sun in week 1 then mon to fri in week 2 with an EU regs driving day on the week 2 Saturday leaving just 1 sunday off in every 2 weeks?
You may be saying that’s legal on a regular basis but I’m certainly not saying that.
How would you repay the compensation ?
That’s the same question I posed a few posts ago !!
The regs state that a regular must be taken at least every other week (in simple terms) so if a regular is not taken in week 1 then does not that infer a regular must be taken in week 2 - there is no stipulation either way that week 2 must be a EU regs weeks or not but just that a regular rest must be taken … yes?
So what we are saying is that this is legal …
Work 12 hours a day in a non Eu regs job from mon to sun in week 1 then mon to fri in week 2 with an EU regs driving day on the week 2 Saturday leaving just 1 sunday off in every 2 weeks?
You may be saying that’s legal on a regular basis but I’m certainly not saying that.
How would you repay the compensation ?
That’s the same question I posed a few posts ago !!
The regs state that a regular must be taken at least every other week (in simple terms) so if a regular is not taken in week 1 then does not that infer a regular must be taken in week 2 - there is no stipulation either way that week 2 must be a EU regs weeks or not but just that a regular rest must be taken … yes?
How can you need to have a weekly rest period in weeks when you’re not even required to comply with the EU regulations, what it infers to me is that in any two weeks that a driver is driving to EU regulations he must have at-least one regular weekly rest period and one reduced weekly rest period.
Article 2 and 13 of (EC) 561/2006 show when the EU regulations should apply and neither of those articles suggest that they apply when you are not driving in-scope of EU regulations.
Anyway VOSA obviously disagree with what you’re saying, because as I pointed out earlier page 29 of GV262 says quite clearly that “A weekly rest period is not required in a fixed week where a driver does not drive under EU rules”.
Ask yourself this, if you worked Monday to Sunday on domestic regulations for two consecutive weeks then worked on EU regulations Monday to Friday in week 3 would that be legal, you would not have had a weekly rest period in week 2, so according to your “inference” you would be illegal because you had only had a weekly rest period in one of the two consecutive weeks 2 and 3.
tachograph:
[How would you repay the compensation ?
That is why I asked about it …
Sorry but now I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, you’ve taken something I said in reply to your post and seemingly applied the quote to the OPs question.
I said in my first post to the OP how the compensation for his reduced weekly rest periods would be paid back.
tachograph:
[How would you repay the compensation ?
That is why I asked about it …
Sorry but now I haven’t a clue what you’re talking about, you’ve taken something I said in reply to your post and seemingly applied the quote to the OPs question.
I said in my first post to the OP how the compensation for his reduced weekly rest periods would be paid back.
I took it that you were saying that the payback must occur so therefore must be done in the non EU regs week?
