commonrail:
What about opening your wage packet
I opened mine AFTER cloçking out yesterday…should i do a manual entry
If after opening that wage packet you were only left with 44 hours, 59 minutes and 30 seconds weekly rest I do hope you counted it as a reduced rest period!!! If not I shall be reporting you to VOSA!
Whole can of worms here! Does that mean everytime I log into QuickBooks to log a few account entries and pay myself that’s work so I can’t spend 5 minutes at the weekend sorting a few bits out.
Bugger that, wouldn’t get done otherwise…
I’m sorry this thread descended into the have a dig at the agency driver.
All am I trying to establish is the legal position.
My concern is that it is the thin edge of the wedge and that the employer/agency are taking the ■■■■.
I know that it is not a major problem to do it and as at the end of the day it will benefit me as I know it will be done right.
When I am presented with a “YOU WILL DO THIS BECAUSE WE SAY SO” with no prior discussion it gets my back up especially if technically it is illegal.
I know I shouldn’t rise to it and enter the agency limper debate and I’m certain that it will backfire on me.
A short CV:-
I passed my PSV Automatic and then all types PSV in 1980, In 1986 I passed my HGV Class 1(Previously passed car and motorbike).
3 Months after passing HGV I was taken on doing Class 1 work until redundancy in 2002,then joined an agency and did various work for around a year and then moved on to ADR Tanker work, been there since, under agency, driving Class 1 Tankers along with daily filling of the same at refinery’s.
And thanks to a good boss passed my HGV Advanced Driving Test in 1987.
I take a professional approach to my work and would be hard pressed to find a better job but I will not back down to pressure from above, just because they say so.
Is the above your image of a typical agency worker?? We shall see, hard hat on 
cheekymonkey:
For Christs sake man, just get the blooming time sheet sent in and stop being a soppy sod.Of all the things in the world to worry about…Jesus!
spot on mate wots the truckin world comeing to 
I know I would be filling the time sheet in if it was going to effect my pay the following Friday.
I wouldn’t give a ■■■■ if it was going to effect my weekly rest for 5 mins on Friday night.
dave19544:
I’m sorry this thread descended into the have a dig at the agency driver.I know I shouldn’t rise to it and enter the agency limper debate…
Slow down, you’re two pages in front of everybody else. Nobody has mentioned you being an unemployable limper yet.
Be patient, it’ll come.
Technically its probably really work, if by some stretch of the imagination DVSA found out would you be in big do dos, seems unlikely unless it majorly impacted on you weekly rest time.
Should you do it on your weekend for the agency, that really depends how good your agency is to you, and only you can answer that question.
muckles:
Technically its probably really work, if by some stretch of the imagination DVSA found out would you be in big do dos, seems unlikely unless it majorly impacted on you weekly rest time.Should you do it on your weekend for the agency, that really depends how good your agency is to you, and only you can answer that question.
I suppose this is my issue,the agency pay fairly? but I feel we get treated as an inconvenience to them.
At the end of the day we are making them money so why not treat us with a little respect.
As a previous poster wrote, yes I do want to be awkward and try to make them think and yes I am putting my money where my mouth is and refusing to do it.
Hopefully I’ll still be paid correctly as they have stated that the system is not working properly but to fill it in anyway, WHY? get it right before you run it and talk/discuss with us.
Yes it has been a long week 
Is this an on-line time-sheet you’re talking about ?
tachograph:
Is this an on-line time-sheet you’re talking about ?
Yes, it a form with daily start finish flat rate times& hours, time and a half times and hours, night rates, weekend rates etc etc, seven sections per day.
It’s due to replace a written sheet that we submit at the end of the week (Completed before leaving and therefore completed during working time)
We have no access to computers at work at present and this is partly what I am trying to achieve, give us facility to complete at work during working time before we book off.
May be petty but too many corners are being cut at the expense of workers rights.
Ok I understand, its good to be a bit jobworth at times, just to make sure the bosses know that you won’t be walked over. Although its a question of picking your battles, just work out if you’re more valuable to the agency than the agency is to you?
muckles:
Ok I understand, its good to be a bit jobworth at times, just to make sure the bosses know that you won’t be walked over. Although its a question of picking your battles, just work out if you’re more valuable to the agency than the agency is to you?
That’s a very good question, sometimes I’ll do things that probably I shouldn’t (For my own sake) but getting fed up with being treated with no respect.
I’m certain that i’ll annoy them but if they want to get shot of me (No expectation of that on my part) because I pull them up then so be it.
Cut nose off to spite face? Quite possibly 
If it’s anything like the Online Timesheet, that Manpower have just brought in that we have to do, it takes all of 5 minutes to do the whole week’s work.
I am sure that over the course of your week you will have made that up and more with the rounding up to the nearest 15 minutes - I know I do !!
As someone else said - pick your battles wisely - No timesheet - No Pay !!
I have to send my hours weekly. I could text them, email them, or drop a piece of paper through a letterbox. Email takes 2 minutes to compose, txt would take longer I suppose, and last option is not an option at all. Cannot be asked to do it on Friday evening, so it gets done on Saturday, because it suits ME. No email= no money on Friday.
Hope the OP is wearing his Hi-vis when doing this other work
Just tell them you don’t have Internet access and they will have to let to do the old fashion way… Snail mail, just means you might get paid a week or month behind…
…personally I’d rather just sit down and take 5-30 minutes to do it. Can always claw the time back by adding an extra 5 mins at each drop if it bothers you that much.
U could do it as soon as u get in then start your 45
Or after you have had 45 off
Problem is it starts off with just do this it will be ok only 5 minutes ,then something else ,no matter what has been said when your doing that its for work ,end of
A lot of you are saying… ‘‘Just get on with it/more stuff to worry about/ get a life’’ and all the rest of it, and on the face of it I am inclined to agree.
However speaking as somebody who treats all these stupid ■■■■ pedantic tacho rules with the contempt they deserve, as well as h&s ■■■■■■■■ ( for eg I have just been told to fasten my hi viz from my chest, to right up to my neck ffs ) I agree with the o/p …follow it to the letter.
Apparently It’s ok to bend and/or ignore this type of crap when it suits ‘them’ , but if we step out of line (a la hi viz top button etc) the wrath of hell is brought down around our lugs.
So yeh play the ■■■■■■■ s at their own game, even if you appear to be as pedantic and ridiculous as ‘them’, and say ‘‘No it’s against the ■■■■■■ rules’’ I aint doing it’’
Let these rules and laws work for us for a change.
steelgoon:
If it’s anything like the Online Timesheet, that Manpower have just brought in that we have to do, it takes all of 5 minutes to do the whole week’s work.
I am sure that over the course of your week you will have made that up and more with the rounding up to the nearest 15 minutes - I know I do !!
+1. Because I live 30 miles from my agency, I finish Saturday morning so posting it in for Monday won’t happen I email them my timesheet. I get home, shove it in a scanner and email it. Technically its work as is replying to the text I get saying what I’m doing on Monday so taken to the letter of the law then I’m breaking it. However thankfully the law in many areas tends to allow for a thing called discretion and spending a few minutes sending off a timesheet and replying to a single text message from the comfort of your favourite armchair won’t see you going to prison or getting an appointment to see Ms.Bell.
If laws were enforced to the letter without discretion then there wouldn’t be a single person without a criminal record. Coming from amateur radio, anyone with any device at all, whether a radio or not, which emits RF on a frequency they do not have a license for such as a plasma TV, a noisy switch mode power supply etc, is committing an offence under the Wireless Telegraphy Act. Fortunately for everyone in the country that Act even demands the use of discretion of an investigating officer, demanding them to issue a warning to the equipment user first before escalating for all but the most serious breaches, i.e ones interfering with emergency service or aviation communication.
