Apart from the occasional self-tip at Aldi or Lidl, which might take 30 minutes, I’ve never been required to do warehouse work. I often only do a couple of hours driving in a shift and I often park outside warehouses when there’s nothing to do but they never tell me I need to get inside and do some picking and packing. In so many ways, Carryfast seems to live in some type of parallel universe.
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
As opposed to drive an artic a couple of hours each way to/from Midlands hub and instructed to spend the rest of a 10 hour shift working as a warehouse labourer.Where do you get the idea from that this actually happens? It’s never happened to me nor anyone I know. Just like your inability to secure Continental work, you seem to extrapolate your own experiences across the entire industry when it just isn’t so.
Do you really think that the idea of paying drivers for an 8 or 9 hour + shift to sit around for over half of it while employing warehouse staff to do work that those drivers can do is an economically sustainable business plan.
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Theres no evidence to suggest that their competitors aren’t following that lead.If not will have to eventually
The truth is the UK has long been a laughably degenerating industry from the point of view of any truck driver that entered it to actually ‘drive’.Its one of the most hostile and toxic road transport environments in the world.That situation can only get progressively worse as the plan for rail kicks in.
Retirement indeed.More like the catch 22 of drivers having to leave the job before retirement age as physically demanding ‘other duties’ become a more dominant part of it as truck mileages are progressively slashed in favour of rail movements.
I dunno yesterday I got paid 9.5hrs at BH rate to drive 85 miles, sit and wait for five hours (in my cab, not a waiting room) while a trailer was prepared for me to return 85 miles, fuel up, drop the trailer and go home.
Just because you’re incapable it doesn’t mean that everyone is incapable…
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
As opposed to drive an artic a couple of hours each way to/from Midlands hub and instructed to spend the rest of a 10 hour shift working as a warehouse labourer.Where do you get the idea from that this actually happens? It’s never happened to me nor anyone I know. Just like your inability to secure Continental work, you seem to extrapolate your own experiences across the entire industry when it just isn’t so.
Do you really think that the idea of paying drivers for an 8 or 9 hour + shift to sit around for over half of it while employing warehouse staff to do work that those drivers can do is an economically sustainable business plan.
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Theres no evidence to suggest that their competitors aren’t following that lead.If not will have to eventually
The truth is the UK has long been a laughably degenerating industry from the point of view of any truck driver that entered it to actually ‘drive’.Its one of the most hostile and toxic road transport environments in the world.That situation can only get progressively worse as the plan for rail kicks in.
Retirement indeed.More like the catch 22 of drivers having to leave the job before retirement age as physically demanding ‘other duties’ become a more dominant part of it as truck mileages are progressively slashed in favour of rail movements.
That’s where you fall down, having been out of the industry going on 3 decades you can only think………the rest of us know
Carryfast:
Its one of the most hostile and toxic road transport environments in the world.
Based on what knowledge? Because you don’t have any relevant real world knowledge of the industry in the U.K. anymore so I’d put money you not have any of any other countries. Well, if I had any money. 
Carryfast:
By definition involuntary termination of employment on medical grounds is in no way shape or form ‘retirement’.
However early retirement can then obviously be a resulting knock on effect of it, after the fact, depending on available options.
Ironically I don’t think that I’ve ever judged anyone’s personality just based on what they’ve posted on a forum.
That obviously says more about your personality than mine.
So it was early retirement then. Only using what you’ve told us over and over. However you choose to name it you can’t ever be described as one of life’s hard workers. Or workers even. 
Oh you have, over and over. The Carryfast reality distortion field in full effect. Can I expect another visit to my YouTube comments from you? Uncle Sham always mysteriously pops up after you and I have a ding dong on here and has exactly the same obsessions as you……
I’ve read on here about people who consider themselves as sad because they enjoy going to work. Your not sad at all, your the lucky ones, I’m truly envious of you because I have rarely, really enjoyed being a driver. I didn’t have visions of being a driver when at school, in fact, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I was pretty much forced into an interview by the careers master as a van lad for Danish Bacon. After our depot was closed, I had one skill, I could bone and roll bacon so I went to another bacon supplier where I was also a delivery van driver as well as boning and rolling bacon.
Jobs and opportunities are all about what’s available in your area, sadly there were few where I live. I did once go for an apprenticeship and was told I was the perfect candidate but at the age of 17, I was too old so what do you do? It seemed my path was chosen for me so after that, 7.5 tonners and at 23, my class one.
In all that time since, I’ve had some really good jobs and a lot of poor ones too. It was all about paying my way, wife, mortgage and two children. As time went on, we had a little spare cash and once the mortgage was paid even more, almost became rich once the girls got married and moved out. We lived well and saved well off the back of lorry driving and for a lad like me, I would never be in this position (retired aged 59) had it not been for being a lorry driver but I never enjoyed it, not really.
So now the government want to encourage people like me who have recently retired, to return to work. They have absolutely no chance!
We have a motorhome, I want to visit some of the places I’ve flashed past, We want to enjoy winter sun in Spain for three months each year. I don’t want to get stuck in snow again. I hate traffic jams. I’m sick of rude and inconsiderate people. I don’t want to sleep in a wagon again and I’m sick of being alone for such long periods. I’ve been in transport 43 years and now it’s time I left it to those who enjoy it and long may they prosper and continue enjoying it, your the lucky ones.
That’s a very good point. I know how lucky I am, my childhood dream was to drive lorries across Europe, not be a film star or astronaut, so that’s what I did. And I’ve been a chronic workaholic most of my working life which many see as a bad thing but I’ve loved every single minute, even those minutes midway through a legendary HSF ‘day night day’ (exactly what it sounds like) and even in hindsight when I was looking at my lorry on its side in a ditch*, I’ve been happy. I only realised how great life has been when I way lying in hospital on the way back from nearly dying and started wondering if I had died at 42 would I be happy with my life and I found yup, I’d be over the moon with it. So yeah, I am really lucky, very few get to live the life they always dreamed of. Now just need to fill up the rest of my life with excitement now
Top tip if you’re involved in what seems like a job ending catastrophe- remind yourself that this will make a f***g great story. Even if it does end your job. Didn’t mine as I had the best boss I’ve ever worked for.
Carryfast:
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.
Just seen this classic ‘one of the worlds biggest transport companies hasn’t bothered to correct the accusations of one anonymous poster on a drivers forum’ Think you may have illusions of grandeur my friend.
dally1:
I’ve read on here about people who consider themselves as sad because they enjoy going to work. Your not sad at all, your the lucky ones, I’m truly envious of you because I have rarely, really enjoyed being a driver. I didn’t have visions of being a driver when at school, in fact, I had no idea what I wanted to do. I was pretty much forced into an interview by the careers master as a van lad for Danish Bacon. After our depot was closed, I had one skill, I could bone and roll bacon so I went to another bacon supplier where I was also a delivery van driver as well as boning and rolling bacon.Jobs and opportunities are all about what’s available in your area, sadly there were few where I live. I did once go for an apprenticeship and was told I was the perfect candidate but at the age of 17, I was too old so what do you do? It seemed my path was chosen for me so after that, 7.5 tonners and at 23, my class one.
In all that time since, I’ve had some really good jobs and a lot of poor ones too. It was all about paying my way, wife, mortgage and two children. As time went on, we had a little spare cash and once the mortgage was paid even more, almost became rich once the girls got married and moved out. We lived well and saved well off the back of lorry driving and for a lad like me, I would never be in this position (retired aged 59) had it not been for being a lorry driver but I never enjoyed it, not really.
So now the government want to encourage people like me who have recently retired, to return to work. They have absolutely no chance!
We have a motorhome, I want to visit some of the places I’ve flashed past, We want to enjoy winter sun in Spain for three months each year. I don’t want to get stuck in snow again. I hate traffic jams. I’m sick of rude and inconsiderate people. I don’t want to sleep in a wagon again and I’m sick of being alone for such long periods. I’ve been in transport 43 years and now it’s time I left it to those who enjoy it and long may they prosper and continue enjoying it, your the lucky ones.
Best post on this thread.
Except for mine obviously
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Just seen this classic
I picked up on that and was going to respond in a similar manner but then realised that I couldn’t be arsed to spend ages deleting the rest of the word soup to get to that quote only to have him launch into yet another nonsensical stream of consciousness ramble.
the maoster:
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Just seen this classic
I picked up on that and was going to respond in a similar manner but then realised that I couldn’t be arsed to spend ages deleting the rest of the word soup to get to that quote only to have him launch into yet another nonsensical stream of consciousness ramble.
It amused me too. 
Carryfast:
Harry Monk:
Carryfast:
As opposed to drive an artic a couple of hours each way to/from Midlands hub and instructed to spend the rest of a 10 hour shift working as a warehouse labourer.Where do you get the idea from that this actually happens? It’s never happened to me nor anyone I know. Just like your inability to secure Continental work, you seem to extrapolate your own experiences across the entire industry when it just isn’t so.
Do you really think that the idea of paying drivers for an 8 or 9 hour + shift to sit around for over half of it while employing warehouse staff to do work that those drivers can do is an economically sustainable business plan.
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Theres no evidence to suggest that their competitors aren’t following that lead.If not will have to eventually
The truth is the UK has long been a laughably degenerating industry from the point of view of any truck driver that entered it to actually ‘drive’.Its one of the most hostile and toxic road transport environments in the world.That situation can only get progressively worse as the plan for rail kicks in.
Retirement indeed.More like the catch 22 of drivers having to leave the job before retirement age as physically demanding ‘other duties’ become a more dominant part of it as truck mileages are progressively slashed in favour of rail movements.
CARRYFAST
YOU ARE DELUDED, UNREASONABLE AND A COMPLETE BUFFOON
Where your getting your information from that you post is only known to you it’s certainly not from any real life experience
I will tell you something now
I WORK FOR UPS
I arrive at my depot at 7pm book on check over vehicle etc for a planned departure of 7.30 normally trailer is loaded on time ready to leave if it’s not I may go in the warehouse to check on progress, under no circumstances do I get involved in the loading and I’m certainly not expected to do so FACT
I leave my depot to go to hub planned arrival 22.30 book in at gate house get allocated bay for trailer drop, drop trailer go to office get paperwork for return trailer planned departure 01.30 either go to canteen or go to my truck this is now my time, under no circumstances do I unload my inbound trailer nor do I help load my outbound trailer this does not happen and is not allowed FACT
I Leave hub planned arrival at my depot 04.30 on arrival I put my trailer on bay unhook book off and go home, I DO NOT help unload my inbound trailer FACT
SO JUST FOR CLARIFICATION THIS IS A TYPICAL NIGHT TRUNK AT UPS
I work 10 hours get paid 10 hours and in all this time I do not touch a parcel, do not load any trailers I drove from A to B and B to A it’s that simple so please try to get your distorted little head around this conundrum this is how it works
I’m sure for someone as simple as you, you can understand this, here’s hoping anyway
Feel free to message me if there’s anything you don’t understand about how this work as I’m pretty certain all trunking operations work in this way
Hoping that this isn’t too confusing for a failed lorry driver like yourself to understand
Be prepared for him to tell you in detail EXACTLY what your job entails. Have fun
Isn’t the definition of “Unemployed” these days “In receipt of benefits”?
If so, then there’s a lot of hard-up folk in places like the Narth and Scotland who have been kicked off Universal Credit since the Lockdown, only for their income not to have actually risen at all, but rather the earnings threshold that cancels out benefits - having dropped to zero…
In other words, those people who took say, that job at a chippy on Saturday night, or a retail shop at weekends, or pulling pints in the evening - now have to deliberately make themselves without a job again in order to re-establish those benefits that they used to get whilst working for pin money just 3 years back?
“Retirement” is likely to become a thing of the past.
If the lockdown has changed anything, it has encouraged people with a cushy pension lined up to retire early, whilst UNDER-employed people of ANY age - are reluctant to take that previously long-held job - because it will kill off what little benefits they are used to having?
In particular, if a 50+ “retires”, then a 30- person - WON’T be taking their job…
It’ll be an EE, or no one.
Brexit has slowed down the rate of EE job take-up in the UK, and arguably accelerated those already here in going back to their old country…
The over 50s that DO stay “in work” - will be those who’ve still yet to pay off their mortgages, including yours truly, and I suspect a great number you lot out there, of course…
Carryfast:
Do you really think that the idea of paying drivers for an 8 or 9 hour + shift to sit around for over half of it while employing warehouse staff to do work that those drivers can do is an economically sustainable business plan.
The fact that a firm like UPS hasn’t chosen to openly challenge my comments in that regard proves where ‘I get/got the idea’.Theres no evidence to suggest that their competitors aren’t following that lead.
I can only speak for myself. I do fairly regular work, delivering to a dozen or so different premises in Rugby, Coventry, Magna Park, Nuneaton, occasionally Oxford or Milton Keynes, and in not single one of these places am I even allowed to go into the warehouse. Even the company I actually work for do not allow me to enter the warehouse.
Waste of time Harry. Did you not know we’re all wrong and all our own current real world experience is also wrong because Carryfast says so?
Get with it man…
I’m currently sat in my cab for a planned 5 hr wait for the warehouse staff to start their shift and unload me. I would LOVE to do it myself and duck off home. But I can’t imagine it would be anything other than a ■■■■ storm if I did.
stu675:
I’m currently sat in my cab for a planned 5 hr wait for the warehouse staff to start their shift and unload me. I would LOVE to do it myself and duck off home. But I can’t imagine it would be anything other than a [zb] storm if I did.
And rightly so, there should be a ■■■■ storm to protect you from yourself, and the effect on others
I do get it,.the frustration of waiting,.although waiting has never bothered me on my hourly rate.
But this is why quality of jobs has eradicated over the years,.as well as t.s and c.s.
You have been given a job which is ■■■■ easy, you can have a kip whilst waiting, be refreshed for return journey, and get paid for doing so.
That 5 hours to tip has been factored into the rate for the job by your firm, in agreeance with the warehouse co, so everybody’s happy.
But then you decide to get on the back, unload yourself, and save yourself 4 hours and run back
But the effects soon kick in,.next time you get back early, they will sure as hell give you something else to do instead of just going home, so you end up doing more work for same money.
Then the guys in the wharehouse lose their job,.because suddenlly some drivers are willing to tip themselves.
Then every other driver on other firms who visit that warehouse also suffer in the same way as you,…because you decided one night to tip yourself.
And so it goes on.
As I,ve said before, the job has turned to crap because drivers are their own worst enemy. 
Ok I ain’t getting at you personally, because you didn’t actually do it,…albeit for maybe the wrong reasons.
At 65 if drivers have not got enough money put by, along with your pension to live comfortably then I feel sorry for them. I recently went a funeral of an old work colleague he worked until he was 70 gone dead and buried at 76. Manage your funds to be able to retire,early if you can ,but make sure you can at 65 or whatever retiring age is now.
Kept my licence until it run out after retiring,never renewed it. Longer dead than living.
stu675:
I’m currently sat in my cab for a planned 5 hr wait for the warehouse staff to start their shift and unload me. I would LOVE to do it myself and duck off home. But I can’t imagine it would be anything other than a [zb] storm if I did.
Rather than tip it myself I’d prefer to go after the absolute weapon who PLANNED a 5hr wait.