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This is shocking beyond belief
It is shocking driving and it is entirely the truck driver’s fault, but as an ex-motorcyclist myself I can’t help feeling that the biker should have noticed the truck before he collided with it, and taken evasive action.
I agree with Harry the bikers should have seen the truck a bit before he did. But the truck driver didn’t see the red light at all.
A little unfair to blame the biker in anyway although I agree he possibly could have noticed it earlier but as per a lot of road users they do not expect these things to happen so limit their obsevation and do not concentrate properly. All round observation can work wonders.
The rider cannot be blamed.
Harry Monk:
It is shocking driving and it is entirely the truck driver’s fault, but as an ex-motorcyclist myself I can’t help feeling that the biker should have noticed the truck before he collided with it, and taken evasive action.
I would say he did notice it before the collision judging by the wee wobble. Just not early enough unfortunately.
jakethesnake:
Harry Monk:
It is shocking driving and it is entirely the truck driver’s fault, but as an ex-motorcyclist myself I can’t help feeling that the biker should have noticed the truck before he collided with it, and taken evasive action.I would say he did notice it before the collision judging by the wee wobble. Just not early enough unfortunately.
The biker has moved from stationary after the lights changed.
Is it not 2nd nature to take a 2nd look to pre-empt just such a scenario? I know it is for me in the car & lorry so a biker, who has less external protection, i would have thought has even greater interest in self preservation.
The fine does seem very low considering how close to a much worse the outcome could have been.
If you look at the bikers head he didn’t seem to notice the truck until it was virtually in front of him . Maybe the police saw the video and used that to mitigate the fine .
We were taught when learning to drive that a green light means proceed if the way is clear. I’m making no excuses for the truck driver at all but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.
It’s in the colonies, so doesn’t affect me,or bother me.
chester1:
If you look at the bikers head he didn’t seem to notice the truck until it was virtually in front of him . Maybe the police saw the video and used that to mitigate the fine
TiredAndEmotional:
but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.
Interesting points.
I dont walk around inner city streets late at night with a mobile phone on my hands. I dont think its wise for women to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in those same streets, but I dont say rapists should get off lightly because women are dressed “provocatively”.
We should behave in a defensive way, but no way should the punishment of offenders be reduced if we don`t. . .
At least, I think, I think that.
Franglais:
chester1:
If you look at the bikers head he didn’t seem to notice the truck until it was virtually in front of him . Maybe the police saw the video and used that to mitigate the fineTiredAndEmotional:
but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.Interesting points.
I dont walk around inner city streets late at night with a mobile phone on my hands. I dont think its wise for women to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in those same streets, but I dont say rapists should get off lightly because women are dressed “provocatively”.
We should behave in a defensive way, but no way should the punishment of offenders be reduced if we don`t. . .At least, I think, I think that.
I wasnt defending the truck … just pointing out if you havnt seen a truck moving by the point its in front of you maybe you should not even be on a bike … and yes i am a biker . Theres no defending a truck going thru a red i just thought that was obvious. …
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chester1:
Franglais:
chester1:
If you look at the bikers head he didn’t seem to notice the truck until it was virtually in front of him . Maybe the police saw the video and used that to mitigate the fineTiredAndEmotional:
but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.Interesting points.
I dont walk around inner city streets late at night with a mobile phone on my hands. I dont think its wise for women to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in those same streets, but I dont say rapists should get off lightly because women are dressed “provocatively”.
We should behave in a defensive way, but no way should the punishment of offenders be reduced if we don`t. . .At least, I think, I think that.
I wasnt defending the truck … just pointing out if you havnt seen a truck moving by the point its in front of you maybe you should not even be on a bike … and yes i am a biker . Theres no defending a truck going thru a red i just thought that was obvious. …
You seemed to say the truckers fine may have been reduced because of the bikers actions, or lack of.
Im saying, if that is so, it is unjust. And Ill stand by that.
And I`m a biker and truck driver, too, just for the record.
Franglais:
chester1:
Franglais:
chester1:
If you look at the bikers head he didn’t seem to notice the truck until it was virtually in front of him . Maybe the police saw the video and used that to mitigate the fineTiredAndEmotional:
but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.Interesting points.
I dont walk around inner city streets late at night with a mobile phone on my hands. I dont think its wise for women to wear short skirts and skimpy tops in those same streets, but I dont say rapists should get off lightly because women are dressed “provocatively”.
We should behave in a defensive way, but no way should the punishment of offenders be reduced if we don`t. . .At least, I think, I think that.
I wasnt defending the truck … just pointing out if you havnt seen a truck moving by the point its in front of you maybe you should not even be on a bike … and yes i am a biker . Theres no defending a truck going thru a red i just thought that was obvious. …
You seemed to say the truckers fine may have been reduced because of the bikers actions, or lack of.
Im saying, if that is so, it is unjust. And Ill stand by that.
And I`m a biker and truck driver, too, just for the record.
No the truck is far from fine . But any one car or bike goes across a junction with out a look either way just because the lights go green is pretty much not going to last long. the biker was lucky … that time . If the police fined the trucker without seeing that video yes the fine is extremely lenient. If had had seen it I’d say he got it right .if the biker had looked there would have been no collision and I’m sure just jumping a light the fine Isn’t that high
chester1:
No the truck is far from fine . But any one car or bike goes across a junction with out a look either way just because the lights go green is pretty much not going to last long. the biker was lucky … that time . If the police fined the trucker without seeing that video yes the fine is extremely lenient. If had had seen it I’d say he got it right .if the biker had looked there would have been no collision and I’m sure just jumping a light the fine Isn’t that high
Youre saying the fines justice is dependent upon whether or not the police/courts saw the video or not?
So, youre repeating that the fine should depend upon the bikers actions?
Well, we`re all entitled to differing opinions but, I disagree with you, and think the fine should not be altered because of the bikers actions.
Franglais:
chester1:
No the truck is far from fine . But any one car or bike goes across a junction with out a look either way just because the lights go green is pretty much not going to last long. the biker was lucky … that time . If the police fined the trucker without seeing that video yes the fine is extremely lenient. If had had seen it I’d say he got it right .if the biker had looked there would have been no collision and I’m sure just jumping a light the fine Isn’t that highYou
re saying the fines justice is dependent upon whether or not the police/courts saw the video or not?
So, youre repeating that the fine should depend upon the bikers actions?
Well, we`re all entitled to differing opinions but, I disagree with you, and think the fine should not be altered because of the bikers actions.
I suppose it could be argued though that £232 is a proportionate fine for passing a traffic light at red and being on a mobile phone while driving. I imagine the fine would be similar in the UK.
To clarify my earlier point, I’m not saying that the motorcyclist was at fault, however he was over-reliant on having a green light.
Here lies the body of Henry Gray,
He died defending his right of way.
His way was right, his will was strong,
But he’s just as dead as if he was wrong.
I even check before going over an open level crossing that there aren’t any trains coming.
Harry Monk:
I even check before going over an open level crossing that there aren’t any trains coming.
Glad I’m not the only one 
In regards to the rider that was sloppy on his part imo, riders should have a higher sense of self preservation than most other road users simply because there squishy bits are more exposed and in that regard alone are normally a lot more 3rd party aware than this guy was, I suspect he may have been quite a young or new rider.
I am not absolving the truck diver in any shape or fashion as that was 100% a ■■■■ poor and downright dangerous example of a vocational driver, but the biker should have spotted him sooner and avoided contact altogether.
TiredAndEmotional:
We were taught when learning to drive that a green light means proceed if the way is clear. I’m making no excuses for the truck driver at all but we can’t rely on other people to do what they should all of the time. It’s just basic self preservation.
+1. Emergency vehicles also go through red lights.
I disagree with you, and think the fine should not be altered because of the bikers actions.
Absolutely spot on, the truck ran a red light (end of) and should be severely punished regardless of the bikers actions. The biker did nothing wrong apart from poor observation just like probably 80% of all road users do everyday.
now this is a weird one , I know the biker he lives local to me, and a safer guy you couldn’t meet,but this junction on the "perimeter highway "bypass round Winnipeg on the main east -west highway TCH1 is not good ,I have to use it going into the city. It wasn’t the fact he went through an orange/red light just changed but a light that was on red for a full minute!(cant remember what I was told). The fine isn’t even what it seems as the driver/company is from the USA it works out only $300ish usd. and no demerits (what I would get + a rise in next yrs driving licence cost ).thank the lord he was wearing the Kevlar jeans jacket. jimmy ,what it doesn’t show is him locking his doors and not getting out till the cops came as he was worried bout his safety.
I ride most days I do @12000 miles a year and although the Truck driver was in the wrong 100% the guy on the bike is a ■■■■ for not looking.
A good rider (and driver always has a look both ways regardless) take nothing for granted.