Rossco75:
company I work for close 1pm on Fridays I start my shift at 6am and most times finish by midday I do about 2hrs driving and rest of time is other work do I need to have breaks still?
In that scenario you’ve quoted no you do not need breaks as you’ve worked less than six hours.
Edit to add; whether you’re happy to work for six hours straight without stopping for a cuppa is a different question altogether though.
So the 6hr doesn’t include driving & working it’s just working time? If that’s the case my company have been taking 1/2 hr break of me for years then. Won’t be happening no more.
Rossco75:
So the 6hr doesn’t include driving & working it’s just working time? If that’s the case my company have been taking 1/2 hr break of me for years then. Won’t be happening no more.
Someone will be along shortly to explain it far better than I ever can, but trying to keep it simple and sticking to the working patterns you quoted you will never need to take a break to satisfy the driving part of the regulations, and if indeed you are never actually “at” work (driving and other work added together) for more than six hours then no you technically never need to show a break. Hope that clarifies it somewhat mate.
the maoster:
Rossco75:
So the 6hr doesn’t include driving & working it’s just working time? If that’s the case my company have been taking 1/2 hr break of me for years then. Won’t be happening no more.Someone will be along shortly to explain it far better than I ever can, but trying to keep it simple and sticking to the working patterns you quoted you will never need to take a break to satisfy the driving part of the regulations, and if indeed you are never actually “at” work (driving and other work added together) for more than six hours then no you technically never need to show a break. Hope that clarifies it somewhat mate.
I can’t really explain it better because you’ve explained it as it is, if you don’t do more than 6 hours working time (working time is other work and driving), and you don’t do 4½ hours driving, you do not need to have a break.
The rules for the working time breaks are:
Up-to 6 hours working time.
If the shift is more than 6 hours working time but not more than 9 hours working time.
Or (You are legally required to comply with either the rule above ↑, or the rule bellow ↓, but not both)
If the shift is more than 9 hours working time.
Breaks for the working time regulations (RT(WT)R 2005) can be split into separate breaks of at-least 15 minutes each and cannot be taken at the immediate start or end of the shift.
Driving breaks count as breaks for the RT(WT)R and where appropriate breaks for the RT(WT)R count as driving breaks.
bestbooties:
ruskington:
Before you withdraw the digi card at the end of your shift, what mode should you switch it to ?Bed!
If you leave it on other work,when you put the card in the following day,you may well get a warning coming up after a few minutes driving that you need a break as the tacho thinks you’ve been on duty all the time,(notwithstanding that the card was not in).
I think you’ll find any,(Proper),tacho instructor will tell you the same.
I don’t think any "proper " tacho instructor will tell you any thing about ejecting the card. wats the point of putting it on bed if it can be used or moved after you have gone home just leave it on other work unless u leave the card in over nite
Thanks people for the replays.
I just take the bloody thing out when I finish ,whatever mode its on, bed ,other work , poa , I’ve done them all, put it in the next morning when I go in, (even left it in before now) (sometimes i dont show any other work before driving) start country , uk ? Yes , 24 h day no? , manual entry , no . off I go , breaks when required , usually 15 in the morning , then 30 mins for lunch , our downloads go off monthly to FTA for analysis, always come back clear . moral of the story , don’t stress about the tacho .
Good grief, has the job in the UK really descended to these murky bureaucratic depths that the actual act of pressing a bloody button is open to so much heated debate about correct and legal procedure and protocol. What a load of tosh. Do truck drivers actually have a life and any personality any more or has all this number crunching and eating of rule books just turned the whole lot in to EU programmed corporate clones chundering on about the correct and proper way to press a button or the huge importance of doing a manual entry for that all important 2 minute section of time that just has to be accounted for at all costs as if its life and death, when in reality its about as important in the grand scheme of things as whether you put on the right sock first or the left.
What a load of old tosh… I now love the elog system and so glad we don’t have tachos here. Everything is worked out for me by elogs, admittedly at the start of an off duty spell I have to actually enter either off duty or sleeper mode by pressing a button but everything else is automatic, ie: driving duty and on duty switch by themselves, even crossing borders switches from US to Canadian hours by itself and get this … if by chance I forget to switch to off duty of sleeper, I just select a mode on the elog, explain what mistake I made and within minutes I get message saying my log has been altered to show what time I went off duty… so damm simple. As for recaps that are needed if I don’t get the stupid 168 hour between resets in, each day it tells me how many hours I have gained to carry on… I love elogs now 
I love elogs too, I especially liked the scene through the forest where Luke Skywalker was evading the Imperial stormtroopers and ended up back at the elogs village in the trees. Cute little fellas, all furry and cuddly.