Christ the fickle nature of this forum stuns me sometimes. Generally its a Tesco bashing free for all on here, until a fellow driver gets a bit fed up at being held there a totally unreasonable amount of time by anyone’s standards, be he late or not, and you all take Tesco side. As for the post saying thanks for giving us a bad name get real, the likes of Tesco think we are scum already and treat us like crap so I doubt one driver having a rant will make it worse do you?
switchlogic:
Christ the fickle nature of this forum stuns me sometimes. Generally its a Tesco bashing free for all on here, until a fellow driver gets a bit fed up at being held there a totally unreasonable amount of time by anyone’s standards, be he late or not, and you all take Tesco side. As for the post saying thanks for giving us a bad name get real, the likes of Tesco think we are scum already and treat us like crap so I doubt one driver having a rant will make it worse do you?
Indeed, used up all your nines well i know a way round it etc, go have a nap on that bit of ground over there, yeah the bit with the bed painted on it.
although a certain amount of waiting around goes with the job, 7 Hours is excessive, especially if its been spent at a tesco rdc waiting room.
Never mind the fact that the OP prob had a family to get home to, haha how i laugh when i think anyone else in the place would be expected to sit 40 minutes from home on a weekend.
MADBAZ:
First of all it’s not false imprisonment, there’s nothing stopping a driver from walking off the site. However they can’t keep your company’s vehicle, if the company don’t want it there. The only redress here is to have a moan at the transport office and let them deal with it, there’s no point going off on one at the RDC staff only to find out that the supplier will no longer use you. I’ve been at times very unhappy at the ‘service’ at RDC’s and generally if I have a problem (hours/side-tip required etc) I’ll have a word with someone first, If it can’t be resolved then I let the office deal with it.As for handing in a spare set, whether or not you aren’t stupid enough to pull off on a red light, if found out is a sure-fire way to losing customers and possibly more
. The only thing that they won’t get off me is the remote fob
. (you really don’t help yourself at times Rog)
Being there for almost a full shift (tescos not your’s) is taking the proverbial though.
As above 
1 I understand what everyone is saying re the split rest, however it’s not classed as rest whilst waiting for a bay or on a bay. I’ve heard rumours of drivers being pulled up by vosa outside RDC’s and prosecuted for such offences!
2 The OP was running out of time, he’s politely informed the clerk of this well in advance and on numerous occasions, by refusing to let him leave with his truck in advance of his hours being up, are tesco encouraging him to break the law?
3 the OP couldn’t park up for a 9/11 hour break in the RDC whether he wanted to or not as it was a Saturday and his 6th and final card of the week, therefore he couldn’t drive until 00-01 hrs Monday morning!
4 why did DHL who run the logistics at this particular RDC allow him to drop his trailer and someone else collect it when it’s tipped? They allow that for DHL drivers from the likes of Birds Eye, Partner Logistics!
5 And last but not least, all the OP wanted to know was are Tesco (other supermarket chains are available) breaking the law by with holding keys?
Look the foods probably eaten and passed through the sewers now hope the op has better luck next time lol.
Goldfinger:
Turn your fridges off on arrival??And then tell them THAT, they don’t pay for your diesel that runs the geni!!!
Then when they go to tip you and reject the load due to temp probs
if you left the trailer on the bay and went off in your tractor unit could their yard shunter not pull your trailer off the bay and drop it down the yard somewhere out of the way
would they be able to do this?
Be a thread on here next week from someone saying they refused to self tip at lidl as its against health and safety or there human rights.
Retro rob:
1 I understand what everyone is saying re the split rest, however it’s not classed as rest whilst waiting for a bay or on a bay. I’ve heard rumours of drivers being pulled up by vosa outside RDC’s and prosecuted for such offences!2 The OP was running out of time, he’s politely informed the clerk of this well in advance and on numerous occasions, by refusing to let him leave with his truck in advance of his hours being up, are tesco encouraging him to break the law?
3 the OP couldn’t park up for a 9/11 hour break in the RDC whether he wanted to or not as it was a Saturday and his 6th and final card of the week, therefore he couldn’t drive until 00-01 hrs Monday morning!
4 why did DHL who run the logistics at this particular RDC allow him to drop his trailer and someone else collect it when it’s tipped? They allow that for DHL drivers from the likes of Birds Eye, Partner Logistics!
5 And last but not least, all the OP wanted to know was are Tesco (other supermarket chains are available) breaking the law by with holding keys?
Point 1 - no, it’s called break, and if you have 3 hrs on a bay, providing you are not tipping yourself, you can stick it on break perfectly legally.
The drivers that have allegedly been done for having it on break whilst tipping almost certainly were pulled after leaving an Aldi or Lidl, where they self tipped.
DonutUK:
Retro rob:
1 I understand what everyone is saying re the split rest, however it’s not classed as rest whilst waiting for a bay or on a bay. I’ve heard rumours of drivers being pulled up by vosa outside RDC’s and prosecuted for such offences!2 The OP was running out of time, he’s politely informed the clerk of this well in advance and on numerous occasions, by refusing to let him leave with his truck in advance of his hours being up, are tesco encouraging him to break the law?
3 the OP couldn’t park up for a 9/11 hour break in the RDC whether he wanted to or not as it was a Saturday and his 6th and final card of the week, therefore he couldn’t drive until 00-01 hrs Monday morning!
4 why did DHL who run the logistics at this particular RDC allow him to drop his trailer and someone else collect it when it’s tipped? They allow that for DHL drivers from the likes of Birds Eye, Partner Logistics!
5 And last but not least, all the OP wanted to know was are Tesco (other supermarket chains are available) breaking the law by with holding keys?
Point 1 - no, it’s called break, and if you have 3 hrs on a bay, providing you are not tipping yourself, you can stick it on break perfectly legally.
The drivers that have allegedly been done for having it on break whilst tipping almost certainly were pulled after leaving an Aldi or Lidl, where they self tipped.
So when you’re on a bay being tipped, either waiting in your cab or in a waiting room you’re freely available to dispose of your time at your leisure? You’re allowed to eat, sleep have a coffee, ■■■■, ■■■, watch tv without being disturbed and told to go back to work at a minutes notice? Sorry that’s not a break from driving, it’s classed as other work! And no before you say I’m not confusing break with POA as they’re two totally different things!
A transport company from Wisbech were severely punished for drivers taking breaks whilst tipping at RDC’s like tesco!
Retro rob:
DonutUK:
Retro rob:
1 I understand what everyone is saying re the split rest, however it’s not classed as rest whilst waiting for a bay or on a bay. I’ve heard rumours of drivers being pulled up by vosa outside RDC’s and prosecuted for such offences!2 The OP was running out of time, he’s politely informed the clerk of this well in advance and on numerous occasions, by refusing to let him leave with his truck in advance of his hours being up, are tesco encouraging him to break the law?
3 the OP couldn’t park up for a 9/11 hour break in the RDC whether he wanted to or not as it was a Saturday and his 6th and final card of the week, therefore he couldn’t drive until 00-01 hrs Monday morning!
4 why did DHL who run the logistics at this particular RDC allow him to drop his trailer and someone else collect it when it’s tipped? They allow that for DHL drivers from the likes of Birds Eye, Partner Logistics!
5 And last but not least, all the OP wanted to know was are Tesco (other supermarket chains are available) breaking the law by with holding keys?
Point 1 - no, it’s called break, and if you have 3 hrs on a bay, providing you are not tipping yourself, you can stick it on break perfectly legally.
The drivers that have allegedly been done for having it on break whilst tipping almost certainly were pulled after leaving an Aldi or Lidl, where they self tipped.So when you’re on a bay being tipped, either waiting in your cab or in a waiting room you’re freely available to dispose of your time at your leisure? You’re allowed to eat, sleep have a coffee, ■■■■, ■■■, watch tv without being disturbed and told to go back to work at a minutes notice? Sorry that’s not a break from driving, it’s classed as other work! And no before you say I’m not confusing break with POA as they’re two totally different things!
A transport company from Wisbech were severely punished for drivers taking breaks whilst tipping at RDC’s like tesco!
Show me where it says that you have to be able to freely dispose of your time for a “break”?
You are getting “rest” & “break” confused.
FAO DonutUK
Taken from the rule book printed from VOSA website. Although you may be asleep whilst being tipped it is not an official break! Whilst being tipped you are not recuperating as you are “at work” RECUPERATION should be taken somewhere where the only thing that will disturb you is an alarm to wake u once you’ve had you’re BREAK.
Retro rob:
FAO DonutUKTaken from the rule book printed from VOSA website. Although you may be asleep whilst being tipped it is not an official break! Whilst being tipped you are not recuperating as you are “at work” RECUPERATION should be taken somewhere where the only thing that will disturb you is an alarm to wake u once you’ve had you’re BREAK.
Ooh this is gonna run and run. To save numerous pages of drivel that’ll surely descend into it being all Maggies fault I’ll simplify it; Donutuk = correct. Retrorob = incorrect. There ya go.
Rob, while sat on your arse in a waiting room drinking coffee and reading the paper, or stretched out on your bunk watching a DVD whilst the rdc pixies tip your load, you don’t class that as a break?
Ok…explain to me what “work” you are doing then?
DonutUK:
Rob, while sat on your arse in a waiting room drinking coffee and reading the paper, or stretched out on your bunk watching a DVD whilst the rdc pixies tip your load, you don’t class that as a break?Ok…explain to me what “work” you are doing then?
NO I don’t class it as a break and if you like I’ll dig out the court summons I got from vosa way back in2001 for tipping on a bay at tesco middlewich whilst on break! I and several drivers that particular week were taken to court and fined for doing exactly that!
Yes you are stretched out on you bunk asleep as I was for 3.5 hours, but in the eyes of the law this is not classed as an official break from driving! So DonutUK and TheMoaster I may be wrong in your eyes and many others on here but you don’t and will never pay my fines if I were unlucky enough to get caught again! So you do it your way and I’ll do it mine! Thank you end of!
So would you leave it on crossed hammers for 7 hrs Rob? 
superR500:
any body know on how the law stands with the wonderfull tesco rdc withholding my keys and not giving them back to me after i’ve told them i only have an hour an a half left on my tacho and 40mins of that is to drive back to base as it was a sat morning and no body was able to come and collect me… i wont go into full details as it would take ages to type, but i had to get really forcefull and start arguing with the goods in manager, as i dont think it’s fair that the young lad at the window deserves me ranting at him…
I sympathize with you for finding yourself in a horrible situation
wish i knew the answer
ask your union to contact the RDC manager
prepare a document saying,“…the Company indemnifies the driver for expenses incurred resulting from undue delay…” Tell the book-in clerk that its just a receipt for your keys and ask him to sign it.
Tell the book-in clerk that you have to take a break off-site (…a break where you are free to dispose of your time as you wish), ask for exit codes and tell him to phone you when bay is free.
R
Retro bob do you wish them to supply you with a nice hotel room while your tipping, if your not unloading you ain’t working you can go for a bite to eat or flick one of over the wrist.
Retro rob:
DonutUK:
Rob, while sat on your arse in a waiting room drinking coffee and reading the paper, or stretched out on your bunk watching a DVD whilst the rdc pixies tip your load, you don’t class that as a break?Ok…explain to me what “work” you are doing then?
NO I don’t class it as a break and if you like I’ll dig out the court summons I got from vosa way back in2001 for tipping on a bay at tesco middlewich whilst on break! I and several drivers that particular week were taken to court and fined for doing exactly that!
Yes you are stretched out on you bunk asleep as I was for 3.5 hours, but in the eyes of the law this is not classed as an official break from driving! So DonutUK and TheMoaster I may be wrong in your eyes and many others on here but you don’t and will never pay my fines if I were unlucky enough to get caught again! So you do it your way and I’ll do it mine! Thank you end of!
So what was the outcome of your case then?
Because that will have set legal precedent in defining what “break” is. What did VOSA give, in court, as their definition of “break”?
DonutUK:
Retro rob:
DonutUK:
Rob, while sat on your arse in a waiting room drinking coffee and reading the paper, or stretched out on your bunk watching a DVD whilst the rdc pixies tip your load, you don’t class that as a break?Ok…explain to me what “work” you are doing then?
NO I don’t class it as a break and if you like I’ll dig out the court summons I got from vosa way back in2001 for tipping on a bay at tesco middlewich whilst on break! I and several drivers that particular week were taken to court and fined for doing exactly that!
Yes you are stretched out on you bunk asleep as I was for 3.5 hours, but in the eyes of the law this is not classed as an official break from driving! So DonutUK and TheMoaster I may be wrong in your eyes and many others on here but you don’t and will never pay my fines if I were unlucky enough to get caught again! So you do it your way and I’ll do it mine! Thank you end of!
So what was the outcome of your case then?
Because that will have set legal precedent in defining what “break” is. What did VOSA give, in court, as their definition of “break”?
+1. Please supply documentary evidence and I’ll happily make a grovelling apology to you Rob.
Careful you don’t back yourself into a corner here mate.
OVLOV JAY:
So would you leave it on crossed hammers for 7 hrs Rob?
yes we should do symbol for our POA is europes BREAK 
once going to bed OR HOME FOR REST if you’re a day/ nightman or woman whichever tickles your fancy should be on bed! 
before you jump on the WTD rtr six hour rule BS think of it this way! which two symbols MEAN/ COUNT FOR NOTHING? Square and bed! driving is automatic so that leaves crossed hammers! Problem with the rule makers = TOO COMPLICATED! Rant over