Win Seering - some predictions for the near future

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Winseer:
To be fair, although I’m disappointed that Brexit Party didn’t win any seats, and I didn’t win any cash come to that - the voting patterns are well within the bounds of normality, not to mention standard deviation parameters.

If there had been any actual “rigged” ballots this time around (bearing in mind Peterborough went Blue this time) - then some Labour Safe Seater nasties would have lost their seats…

From what I’ve seen, it is only the moderate majority nobodies that lost their seats though.

Jo Swinson - was widely tipped to lose to the SNP before the election. Even Money I believe…

What Brexit Party seem to have done in this election is “pull two votes away from Labour and one vote away from the Tory candidate”.
In the end, the Labour incumbent ended up falling past the Tory candidate “marking time” with their poll tally.

Thus, seats ended up going from Red to Blue without the Tories actually gaining much of an upside vote swing measured as an absolute number, but rather than just as a swing AWAY from Labour causing Labour to fall past them outside the window…

If this was contrived by Boris and Farage working in cahoots behind the scenes, then I tip my hat to the both of them - because it seems to have bloody well worked as a strategy to “Breach the Red Wall”.

I’m not sure what plans Labour had to take 5-figure majority seats off the Tories in the south of England - something that BLAIR managed to do in 1997, and kept on doing in 2001 and 2005…

Trying to put myself in the mind of a Labour Strategist for a moment: I think I might have come up with an alternative Brexit plan outright, rather than just hope the Tories f— it all up instead.
Labour’s re-nationilzation plans - would have REQUIRED that we’d actually done a rather hard brexit BEFOREHAND of course.
We never EVER got to hear about the Labour version of a Hard Brexit though - did we?

(1) Leaving the EU law framework straight away (tearing up all the treaties necessary) giving NI and Scotland a referendum to stay or leave the UK - only once the UK has left the EU beforehand.

(2) Re-nationalizing all the indirectly EU-owned utilitites by confiscation, likely triggering actual trade embargos by the EU…

(3) Ceasing payments to the EU straight away,

(4) Increasing electricity production in Newly-Nationalized Scottish Power/Generating capacity to make up the gap once the EU throws off that big switch in the sky they have…

(5) Being FORCED to trade everywhere else OTHER than the EU - because the EU won’t have anything to do with the UK from then on. Less trade with America, More trade with China and Russia, which we would expect of a Leftist government…

(6) Using the Brexit Dividend money to pay for Labour’s spending plans. £18billion per year for 5 years - would put a big dent in the headline spending figures…

Funny thing is, had Corbyn and Labour just come out with that plan above - I would have voted Labour for the first time in this election just gone..

But no. Labour - just cannot and will not get things done - and in the end, Boris has won big on simply that message.

When people like Starmer and Corbyn kept their seats and the obvious advantages to the EU of Swinesom handing hers to the SNP and Raab almost losing his not to the expected Labour second place but to an unbelievably co ordinated Labour tactical vote for the LibDems.While Skinner lost his and Goldsmith lost to a similar tactical LibDem vote as Raab almost did yes I’d say that was an EU instigated coup all done/almost done in an extremely clever subtle way that only the EU could have orchestrated.Possibly to the point of unlike your previous ideas the ballot boxes delivered to the counts weren’t even the same boxes at the polling stations.The fact is the result was effectively being declared by the media before the first count was in and Raab for one actually looked shocked that he’d won as though he was expecting a LibDem win and then too obviously stuttering about tactical voting,yes but ‘who’ could have possibly orchestrated a tactical vote of that magnitude.

While like 2017 the only possible reason for two elections in less than 4 years is the EU angling for a mandate to void the referendum result.Which as we’ll see in around a month or so has paid off just as intended,or at least almost as intended in the case of Raab who the EU obviously didn’t intend on winning.Prepare for BRINO and lots of establishment soundbites like having to unite the country and saving the Union from a Scottish and NI remain backlash when what they all really mean is the European Union not the UK.On that note it was ‘contrived’ by all of them Lib/Lab/Con/SNP/DUP/TBP with the EU big names like Juncker calling the shots from the side lines.

[winseer]

It is my belief that the best outcome for the EU in ANY future UK election is a hung parliament.

They are not served by either a Labour OR Conservative majority…

That Swinson lost her “non-safe” seat against another Pro EU party, whereas no dent was made even into Canterbury, despite some of the 2017 students having moved on by this point - speaks volumes in itself.

I think you’re right that Starmer was in “no danger” as a Pro EU hardliner - but the Pro Momentum crowd of Labour - seemed to have been saved along with them, alas…

Raab - won by a comfortable 31k to 28k, which wasn’t bad for a Brexiteer in a Remainer seat…

Perhaps the EU were prepared to “Let Swinson Go” to have a pop shot at unseating some of Boris’ cabinet team, including Boris himself of course, what with the notion of some Hayes and Harlington voters “living around their grans across town for a few days” to boost the vote against Boris in Uxbridge… Boris, meanwhile - brazenly does NOT vote for “himself in his own constituency” which is highly unusual for any sitting PM to do - ever.

All in all though, Boris is going to continue to face disproportionate resistance from what must now be a depleted Remainer base in this country.

We’ve got the actual hostilities from the EU to face as yet.

(1) Fabricated scandals against the new majority Conservative Government, in particular towards Boris, Raab, Patel, and Moggs…

(2) “Throwing the Big Switch in the Sky” - bearing in mind we import 80-90% of our electricity during peak demand periods… “Weaponized Power Cuts” - have the power to kill people, like the last one in August likely did at Ipswich hospital…

(3) ECB-engineered short-selling of the pound/propping up of the Euro, whilst no attempt being made to “honour the UK’s trade neighborhood”…

(4) and of course… “Our NHS falling into disrepute” - bearing in mind the Remainer/Hard Left factions have predicted this already as if it were a given…
Well, to be fair - it might WELL be, should members of the public not on benefits start dying in droves, should they have the mis-fortune in the near future to "find themselves languishing in an NHS hospital for easy, cheap, life-saving treatment that “somehow goes wrong”… If Momentum had their way - they’d like to weaponize the strongly unionized workplaces so that "unfortunate things happen to members of the Conservative-supporting public that find themselves darkening the doors of said establishment there". let’s say…
The Hard Left Politik continues to be to somehow monopolize the NHS so it is ONLY for Lefties ONLY for non-taxpayers, ONLY for Foreigners, and NOT for those who’ve paid in all their lives…

We’re already looking at the mindless Antifa/Momentum so-called “Protests” in the Government district going on. These need to be stamped on hard, before people start coming to harm, which can then be blamed on the newly minted Tory government “not being much of a party of law & order after all”.
If I were Boris, I’d find an excuse to just declare Antifa a terrorist outfit, with a warning given to Sinn Fein and any Hard Remainers to “get behind the law of the land” - or face the consequences, should the revert to any “continuation of politics by other means”…

Anti-Johnson Protesters Clash with Police in London Following Election Results

Interestingly, these nicely-made, mass-produced anti-Boris banners - must have been produced with some time to spare ahead of the election, implying that the Left bloody well knew what was coming some time like WEEKS before the “Exit Poll” that seems to have given the game away to the approaching “Blue Wave” eh?

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Winseer:
It is my belief that the best outcome for the EU in ANY future UK election is a hung parliament.

They are not served by either a Labour OR Conservative majority

Raab - won by a comfortable 31k to 28k, which wasn’t bad for a Brexiteer in a Remainer seat…

Let’s just say that the EU has been more than well served by the Cons from Heath to May and no reason to think that Bojo will be any different.All the rest has been an act and a charade to divert the Leave vote’s attention but all we need to know is the question why two GE’s since the referendum rigging exercise went wrong.

As for Raab wiining by 3,000 votes being a ‘comfortable’ majority.In 2017 his vote was 35,000 v 10,000 for LibDems.While even if added to the almost 12,000 of Labour that doesn’t explain how we suddenly jumped to a 28,000 LibDem vote in 2019 unless you’re saying that the Lab vote has telepathic powers.Make no mistake the EU wanted Skinner,Raab and Goldsmith out of the way and they almost succeeded on all counts and what it sees as the best insurance policy regarding the rest which means people like Starmer over Skinner ( and Hoey ) and LibDems over Labour and SNP over LibDem where required.While the fact that such a Tory stronghold is 60/40 Remain proves that the Tories are anything but a Leave Party and the EU knows it.As you’ll see in a matter of a month or so.

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The point I make here is that Raab is a survivor, and safe-seat Skinner - is GONE never to return.

The high water mark for the Far Left - looks like having been and gone already.

There’s only the outlaw aspect of them to deal with now.

What started on London Bridge of late - can now open up on a larger scale:
The public were clearly more impressed than horrified at this concept of “shoot the bugger on the ground” rather than let him get up, put him back into some clearly non-working “rehabilitation programme”, not to mention the sheer financial cost of “keeping such criminals alive” to the general public who just want to be immunized against the wrath of these people we should no longer be afraid to criticize…

At the end of the day, the Right will want to do away with actual violent criminals, whereas the Left will happily become violent criminals as a way of “achieving political power by other means”…

Be grateful that Boris, Trump, Xinping, and Putin are taking their countries to the Right rather than the Left then.
Their next “victim” of theirs -won’t be a law-abiding citizen taxpayer…

It’ll be someone random from a mob like this:

Police, protesters clash in London march against Johnson

It’ll always be easier to NOT be in a mob like that, and thus keep yourself out of danger, rather than
somehow renounce being White, British, Christian, Jewish, Right - to try and avoid the wrath of the Leftist Mob Hoards…

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Winseer:
The point I make here is that Raab is a survivor, and safe-seat Skinner - is GONE never to return.

The high water mark for the Far Left - looks like having been and gone already.

But the issue of Federalism v Nationalism isn’t one of right v left.You can have left wing Nationalists like Shore ( and Skinner ) and right wing pro EU Federalists like just about all of the Tories plus a few Tory liars who pretend not to be.

The fact remains that what we’ve just seen was an EU instigated plan to strengthen its position.With a net weakening of the Brexiteers.Raab,Goldsmith and Skinner ( and Hoey ) obviously being seen as a thorn in the EU’s side in that regard and nearly got a clean sweep of all 4.While May,Starmer,SNP and LibDems are all still there allied with the Tory fifth column led by May loyalist Bojo.You’ve allowed your silly Thatcherite ideas to blind you to the facts that the country is now more or less back where it was in 1979 having been led like sheep by the ConLab right v left good cop bad cop routine.Brexit bs.Be careful what you wish for.

[winseer]

I agree that there is some possibility that Boris was the EU’s creature all along - BUT now he is safely in power for a full five years longer, he might soften up a bit to the role, and fancy himself more of a Churchill character in that "the only European Union he was ever really interested in - was one ruled BY us rather than ruling the UK at UK taxpayer’s expense for unpopular left-liberal policies that continue to make UK citizens of all backgrounds - poorer as well…

Whom did unfettered immigration benefit?

Employers rather than other Employees, who’s wages got diluted.

Whom did “appeasement of Islam” Benefit? - Not many outside of Islam, alas…

Whom did “The Atheist Push” benefit? - Obviously a downside aspect to those practicing a religion outside of Islam, but Agnostics continue to argue for their right to be doubters, rather than pushed into some kind of sanitary secularism where “The religion available for you to join - isn’t the one you’ll WANT to be joining”.

Fancy converting to Islam from Catholism for example?

Fine if you’re American, where 90%+ of males grow up “ready-cut”, but in the UK - you’re talking about a visit to an NHS hospital as an adult to have your willy rather de-sensitized, along with the argument that MGM causes as much pain and heartache as FGM, should you not really want to go through with it, but felt pushed that way by others…

'My son killed himself after circumcision'

The best way for Brits both born here or adopted by us here to “get on, ongoingly” - is to simply tear away those things that we’re expected to argue the toss about.

Do you think I object to Muslims practicing their religion? Nope. I merely object to being by-passed by our state as an “Infidel” for those things I paid my taxes to be a bit more “even” about in the public distribution of wealth towards our public services, NOT tilting the playing field in favour of the “minorities” that, frankly - don’t need any further encouragement to proliferate.
The government - doesn’t push Christianity or “Getting down the Synagogue every friday” - so why pump us with the public duty to accept this tilted playing field in favour of Foreingers, Islamics, and Non-Taxpayers over those of us already here, already paying, and of course already integrated but seeing little benefit (up until now at least…) of “reaping what they sowed” via their labour and taxes paid?

Boris Wipes Out Remainers In Historic Brexit Election

This young man - happens to be the “acceptable face of Islam, Foreigner, and Immigrant” all rolled into one: Fully integrated, and now fighting our corner as a young Conservative to boot.
His secret? - He’s kept Islam - secular, rather than demanded it of everyone else…
He’s open about being Iranian, having fled the Tyranny of his old country. Proof that one doesn’t need to be an “infidel” to be persecuted by these Hard-Left fanatics that call themselves Shiites…

YES then: Left, Right, and Center - continues to be at the very HEART of our struggle for our own culture, nation, and identity.
There is now still time to create a more harmonious UK where people don’t lay into each other on the streets for being “different”, or worse - “disagreeing with one”.

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Winseer:
I agree that there is some possibility that Boris was the EU’s creature all along - BUT now he is safely in power for a full five years longer, he might soften up a bit to the role, and fancy himself more of a Churchill character in that "the only Europ, and now fighting our corner as a young Conservative to boot.

Ironically both Churchill and Thatcher were pro USE/EU.Just like Heath to May.As I said a Conservative government given carte blanche to do what it wants is a dangerous thing as we saw in 1979 and that’s more or less where we are.Just as in 1979 helped to get there by a bunch of Bolshevik useful idiots in the form of Corbyn’s deluded rabble but with Blairite establishment shills like Starmer actually pulling the strings behind the scenes helped by controlled opposition champagne Socialist Corbyn.Make no mistake this sham was all about the EU claiming a mandate for BRINO to Revoke and as usual the traitors running the country won’t disappoint Juncker and co.While anyone who thinks that the Cons are going to turn Nationalist,let alone to the point of throwing the SNP and Scotland under the bus to provide a proper English Brexit,is more deluded than Corbyn’s Bolshevik followers.May and Starmer are as in control of this agenda now as when she was given Camoron’s job in 2016 and Starmer was given the job of shadow Brexit minister not Hoey and the EU knows it.

[winseer]

I strongly suspect that the United States of Europe that Churchill had in mind was actually the United States of Britain - which would have made a lot of sense in the post-war period and clean-up…

Multi liberated European nations, all speaking fairly good English as a second language already, and then run on an administrative basis by the (back then) larger beaurocratic offices of Whitehall.
That we gave ALL those countries their “liberated freedom” - and with it a Whip Hand for the years to come - was one of the dafter aspects of Bretton Woods, and the longer-term strategy for Europe and fledgling NATO, especially in the light of the Red Army clearly having no intention to reciprocate in EASTERN Europe…

They must have really thought back then in the 40’s that “All we have to do to avoid a resurgant Germany in the far future - is make sure no Right-wing government gets in ANYWHERE in Europe”…

How well did THAT go for you folks?? We now HAVE that resurgent Germany DESPITE the supression up until now of views and governments further Right than Karl Marx, as it turned out…

[winseer]

Carryfast:

Winseer:
I agree that there is some possibility that Boris was the EU’s creature all along - BUT now he is safely in power for a full five years longer, he might soften up a bit to the role, and fancy himself more of a Churchill character in that "the only Europ, and now fighting our corner as a young Conservative to boot.

Ironically both Churchill and Thatcher were pro USE/EU.Just like Heath to May.As I said a Conservative government given carte blanche to do what it wants is a dangerous thing as we saw in 1979 and that’s more or less where we are.Just as in 1979 helped to get there by a bunch of Bolshevik useful idiots in the form of Corbyn’s deluded rabble but with Blairite establishment shills like Starmer actually pulling the strings behind the scenes helped by controlled opposition champagne Socialist Corbyn.Make no mistake this sham was all about the EU claiming a mandate for BRINO to Revoke and as usual the traitors running the country won’t disappoint Juncker and co.While anyone who thinks that the Cons are going to turn Nationalist,let alone to the point of throwing the SNP and Scotland under the bus to provide a proper English Brexit,is more deluded than Corbyn’s Bolshevik followers.May and Starmer are as in control of this agenda now as when she was given Camoron’s job in 2016 and Starmer was given the job of shadow Brexit minister not Hoey and the EU knows it.

Quite frankly, we’re banking on being “permitted” a bit of actual British nationalism right now. If the Scottish can have a “Natiolist Party” un-molested by the EU poltical machine (only because it blows their trumpet) - then perhaps as I said Boris Johnson might let being PM go to his head, and be an actual PM for the British cause, rather than a EU stooge, and “last line of their defence”…I guess we’ll be finding out together across the following year with “2020 Vision” If I might be so bold… Meanwhile, we don’t need to “Throw Scotland under the bus for a full English Brexit” - since Scotland cannot even lay on a full English BREAKFAST as it stands, with Sturgeon’s elation at returning to 48 out of 59 seats quickly declines to non-entity, now that Labour don’t have enough seats left to make a coalition with the SNP OUT of. Clearly, the lessons from the 2015 election - were not learned!!
People voted against Labour in THAT one - “because they didn’t want the SNP having a partner in Parliament”…

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Winseer:
I strongly suspect that the United States of Europe that Churchill had in mind was actually the United States of Britain - which would have made a lot of sense in the post-war period and clean-up…

Multi liberated European nations, all speaking fairly good English as a second language already, and then run on an administrative basis by the (back then) larger beaurocratic offices of Whitehall.
That we gave ALL those countries their “liberated freedom” - and with it a Whip Hand for the years to come - was one of the dafter aspects of Bretton Woods, and the longer-term strategy for Europe and fledgling NATO, especially in the light of the Red Army clearly having no intention to reciprocate in EASTERN Europe…

They must have really thought back then in the 40’s that “All we have to do to avoid a resurgant Germany in the far future - is make sure no Right-wing government gets in ANYWHERE in Europe”…

How well did THAT go for you folks?? We now HAVE that resurgent Germany DESPITE the supression up until now of views and governments further Right than Karl Marx, as it turned out…

Can you possibly get your head around the idea of Nationalism means respecting the right of self determination and national sovereignty of others.Which doesn’t mean replacing a German run 4th Reich with a British run one.It means respecting their right to run their own respective countries so that we can maintain and run ours.As for Churchill no he was just another Tory European Federalist who wanted to create a USE in the US image and we got what he wished for.

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Winseer:

Carryfast:
While anyone who thinks that the Cons are going to turn Nationalist,let alone to the point of throwing the SNP and Scotland under the bus to provide a proper English Brexit,is more deluded than Corbyn’s Bolshevik followers.May and Starmer are as in control of this agenda now as when she was given Camoron’s job in 2016 and Starmer was given the job of shadow Brexit minister not Hoey and the EU knows it.

Quite frankly, we’re banking on being “permitted” a bit of actual British nationalism right now. If the Scottish can have a “Natiolist Party” un-molested by the EU poltical machine (only because it blows their trumpet) - then perhaps as I said Boris Johnson might let being PM go to his head, and be an actual PM for the British cause, rather than a EU stooge, and “last line of their defence”…I guess we’ll be finding out together across the following year with “2020 Vision” If I might be so bold… Meanwhile, we don’t need to “Throw Scotland under the bus for a full English Brexit” - since Scotland cannot even lay on a full English BREAKFAST as it stands, with Sturgeon’s elation at returning to 48 out of 59 seats quickly declines to non-entity, now that Labour don’t have enough seats left to make a coalition with the SNP OUT of. Clearly, the lessons from the 2015 election - were not learned!!
People voted against Labour in THAT one - “because they didn’t want the SNP having a partner in Parliament”

Your whole premise is based on the idea that less than only 96 of the 365 Con MP’s are remainers or closet remainers and all the others are proper BREXIT and that the Cons in general are willing to call the SNP’s bluff by cutting Scotland loose.On that note we know that May at least is still there.

As for Bojo’s cabinet.Javid backed Remain in 2016 but supposedly with a heavy heart yeah right.Ben Wallace Remainer wants EU military integration.Matt Hancock Remainer.Gavin Williamson Remainer.Nicky Morgan Remainer.Robert Jenrick Remainer.Amber Rudd Remainer.Robert Buckland Remainer.Alok Sharma Remainer.Grant Shapps Remainer.Julian Smith BRINO ( Remainer ).Baroness Evans Remainer.James Cleverley May’s BRINO ( Remainer ).Bojo supported May’s BRINO and sent the Benn Act for assent instead of refusing to under state of emergency ( Remainer ).Nationalists bs.

express.co.uk/news/politics/ … -full-list

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There would have indeed been a school of thought in 1939 that “Why don’t we just leave Herr Hitler alone to mop up in Europe, and concentrate on keeping ourselves to ourselves, a more managed decline of the British Empire”… Yup, we could have done that - but we didn’t. We chose to rid the world of ■■■■ Germany all by ourselves instead.

In a similar manner - we chose to vote Leave, rather than let MODERN Germany rule us by stupid rules now, rather than panzer divisions and anti semitism. It seems to have become Modern Labour’s thing to pick up the anti semitic gauntlet, back it up with a few difficult-to-disprove “big lies”, and if it were not for Boris Johnson ripping their guts out last week - we might be sitting on the most dangerous government in Europe by this point… Can you imagine the sheer “Scapegoating” that would commence on our streets - the moment this country stoops to Venuzeula levels of rather sudden impoverishment, simply because all those rich people about to be taxed - LEGGED it, taking not just their money with them - but their entire liquidated factories, properties, asnd other assets along with the key staff that’ll be needed to re-establish any business abroad from now on?
With unemployment then at Spanish Youth levels, “how you gonna pay for all those benefits again”?
Turn on the Printing Presses - of course!
Forget the Banking System. They won’t show any gratitude for being bailed out in 2008… Banks get to fleece Governments and the public VIA those governments - but the money was always on a one-way street…

Labour have a golden opportunity to produce another Tony Blair, and become electable again…
OR… They could attempt to continue with the “scapegoating” Far Left vision - and quickly find themselves going the way the Liberals went a century ago, and the Whigs went a few decades before that.

The obvious answer in 1945 - would have been to make the liberated countries of Europe “Part of the British Empire”.
Churchill most definitely did NOT achieve THAT though!
Even the Russian “Partitioning of Germany” - got reversed in 1989, and that’s when our current problems really started coming home to roost…
If England hasn’t been allowed by the rest of Europe to have it’s own brand of Nationalist Politics - then why the bloody hell should we tolerate it anywhere ELSE, especially Scotland and Ireland?

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Winseer:
There would have indeed been a school of thought in 1939 that “Why don’t we just leave Herr Hitler alone to mop up in Europe, and concentrate on keeping ourselves to ourselves, a more managed decline of the British Empire”… Yup, we could have done that - but we didn’t. We chose to rid the world of ■■■■ Germany all by ourselves instead.

In a similar manner - we chose to vote Leave, rather than let MODERN Germany rule us by stupid rules now, rather than panzer divisions and anti semitism. It seems to have become Modern Labour’s thing to pick up the anti semitic gauntlet, back it up with a few difficult-to-disprove “big lies”, and if it were not for Boris Johnson ripping their guts out last week - we might be sitting on the most dangerous government in Europe by this point… Can you imagine the sheer “Scapegoating” that would commence on our streets - the moment this country stoops to Venuzeula levels of rather sudden impoverishment, simply because all those rich people about to be taxed - LEGGED it, taking not just their money with them - but their entire liquidated factories, properties, asnd other assets along with the key staff that’ll be needed to re-establish any business abroad from now on?
With unemployment then at Spanish Youth levels, “how you gonna pay for all those benefits again”?
Turn on the Printing Presses - of course!
Forget the Banking System. They won’t show any gratitude for being bailed out in 2008… Banks get to fleece Governments and the public VIA those governments - but the money was always on a one-way street…

Labour have a golden opportunity to produce another Tony Blair, and become electable again…
OR… They could attempt to continue with the “scapegoating” Far Left vision - and quickly find themselves going the way the Liberals went a century ago, and the Whigs went a few decades before that.

The obvious answer in 1945 - would have been to make the liberated countries of Europe “Part of the British Empire”.
Churchill most definitely did NOT achieve THAT though!
Even the Russian “Partitioning of Germany” - got reversed in 1989, and that’s when our current problems really started coming home to roost…
If England hasn’t been allowed by the rest of Europe to have it’s own brand of Nationalist Politics - then why the bloody hell should we tolerate it anywhere ELSE, especially Scotland and Ireland?

Let’s get this right you want to stop the EU 4th Reich but you think that Blair is the solution for that.

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Nope, I just think that another Blair might be the solution to “Labour being unelectable for the next 20 years” - that’s all.

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Winseer:
Nope, I just think that another Blair might be the solution to “Labour being unelectable for the next 20 years” - that’s all.

How will that fix the issue of the Labour leave vote abandoning an ideologically Remain party.Why wouldn’t you think that Hoey would be better than Blair.The fact that Corbyn chose Starmer over Hoey saying everything in that regard.Bearing in mind you also said you admire Healey another Labour Europhile like Callaghan.It’s obvious that the Con vote is mostly a right wing Remain vote pretending to be Nationalists combined with a stupid deluded Lab leave vote who think that the Cons are a Nationalist Party.When what’s needed is a Nationalist Labour Party standing on Hoey’s left wing Nationalist agenda which would show up the lying Federalist Cons for what they are.It’s anyone’s guess where you stand on that but admiring people like Blair and Healey and by association Callaghan seems to suggest a closet Remainer.

[winseer]

The Election is DONE now. Brexit comes next.

If lies have been said - then the best liar won.

That’s all there ever was to politics though - wasn’t it?

In the end, we didn’t believe that Corbyn would introduce a guaranteed universal household income, which even I would have voted Labour to get - had it not been an unfunded pie-in-the-sky thing.

Without the Brexit Dividend, and hopefully the dismantling of the Foreign Aid Budget to follow - there’s no money for anything!

That’s all there is to it.

NO one votes for parties that promise tax hikes - except the non-doms and others not working hard for their money.
“Not a majority” - right there!

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Winseer:
The Election is DONE now. Brexit comes next.

If lies have been said - then the best liar won.

That’s all there ever was to politics though - wasn’t it?

In the end, we didn’t believe that Corbyn would introduce a guaranteed universal household income, which even I would have voted Labour to get - had it not been an unfunded pie-in-the-sky thing.

Without the Brexit Dividend, and hopefully the dismantling of the Foreign Aid Budget to follow - there’s no money for anything!

That’s all there is to it.

NO one votes for parties that promise tax hikes - except the non-doms and others not working hard for their money.
“Not a majority” - right there!

So are you admitting that both you and Bojo are really closet remainers who lied to fool the Labour leave vote which is what I’m suggesting ?.While if you’re supposedly a Brexiteer how could you possibly endorse Blair over Hoey ?.That type of lying actually crosses over to the realms of a bent vote obtained fraudulently on a false manifesto and thereby mandate.While if the Cons had stood honestly on May’s BRINO ticket then it’s obvious that boycott was the only and best option for any true Brexiteer just as any vote regarding selling out the country to a foreign power.

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So are you admitting that both you and Bojo are really closet remainers who lied to fool the Labour leave vote which is what I’m suggesting ?.While if you’re supposedly a Brexiteer how could you possibly endorse Blair over Hoey ?.That type of lying actually crosses over to the realms of a bent vote obtained fraudulently on a false manifesto and thereby mandate.While if the Cons had stood honestly on May’s BRINO ticket then it’s obvious that boycott was the only and best option for any true Brexiteer just as any vote regarding selling out the country to a foreign power.
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Not at all. I merely got past the two main lies of fear that were out there:

(1) That Corbyn would easily win the election if I voted for Brexit Party
(2) That Boris might prove to be a closet remainer, and the last line of EU defence.

In the end, I was prevented from making mistake (1) or buying into the notion that Corbyn actually presented a real threat. This was good in that it prevented people like me causing yet another Hung Parliament which would easily have had a Remainer Majority.

The proof that fears of (2) are unfounded - we’ll know by Febuary 1st 2020.

We still have the WMD moves of the EU to contend with between now and the end of January, I suggest.
In previous posts, I have already spoken of the EU engaging in activity such as “Weaponized Power Cuts” where the European feed into our national grid is “switched off for a while” to show the UK just how dependent we are upon EU imported electricity now that so much of our home-generated capacity has been demolished under previous governments… Tony Blair, who once represented the Electable side of Remainer Labour - is probably over there now, advising the EU in how best to act “Legally” (he is a lawyer, after all…) to yet thwart Brexit, and bring us begging to “re-join” even if we ever get past the point of no return with Boris.

I should point out that I never voted for Tony Blair, and do not support him in any way. I merely respect the fact that Blair happens to be (and perhaps “still is”) the most powerful HR the EU continue to possess, and continues to pose a threat should any “comeback to Labour” be about in the next year or two…

I never supported Thatcher, neither - so I’m not a natural Tory here. Once Brexit is indeed done under Boris Johnson, then it may be the case that by that point, my vote will be going to a Reform Party should they have replaced Labour as a viable opposition to the incumbent Tory government as we are now.

Thus, I’m looking to return to my former central ground, except that it would be Reform Party, Left of the Conservatives, trying to drag Labour supporters in by representing the Right to them, unlike Cleggy who had the chance to “get something done with Gordon Brown in 2010” - but despite having my vote on that occasion, decided to support Young Pretender Cameron, rather than give any would-be Gordon Brown administration daily chinese burns to get the ongoing Centerist agenda done… Daft thing is, had Cleggy done the Brown thing in 2010 - we wouldn’t now have a country still divided over Brexit, with Farage supporters still “pushing for a 1st referendum that never happened” - satisfied by the large number of MEPs any party of Farage happened to have… All totally meaningless of course in our domestic politics! We might have even had a majority Libdem government by this point… Oh my! - How easily history pivots along from junction to junction!!

Of course, in actual fact, the Libdems left their centre-right members like myself out in the cold over Brexit, and we’ve yet to return.

Gillian Anderson as Bowie on American Gods

You don’t have to get everyone on board in politics… Just enough.

From a floating voter’s perspective like myself - I only EVER “Lend my vote”.

Labour - are in a position to “win my vote over” in time for the next general election. They could even do it with Corbyn still in charge, although that’s a longshot at best, looking at past lack-of-leadership there.
I won’t be supporting Labour should Blair ever get back in charge though, so now matter how good it gets, I would only support a leader who takes on the new concepts that actually make them electable, rather than trying to push their own deep state agenda onto us, as Blair and Cleggy were apparently doing, and still continue to do.

The “Upsets” don’t end with Boris winning this election: We’ve still got the rather more hostil EU actions to contend with from here on.
Preti Patel - will have her work cut out, should Momentum lurch more towards Sinn Fein in trying to make some unholy alliance between British Far Left Nationalists and the defefeated personal powers of this election just past. They’ve already got their grubby mits at Momentum into Extinction Rebellion after all… Look how unabashedly militant is has become of late!

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Winseer:
So are you admitting that both you and Bojo are really closet remainers who lied to fool the Labour leave vote which is what I’m suggesting ?.While if you’re supposedly a Brexiteer how could you possibly endorse Blair over Hoey ?.That type of lying actually crosses over to the realms of a bent vote obtained fraudulently on a false manifesto and thereby mandate.While if the Cons had stood honestly on May’s BRINO ticket then it’s obvious that boycott was the only and best option for any true Brexiteer just as any vote regarding selling out the country to a foreign power.
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Not at all. I merely got past the two main lies of fear that were out there:

(1) That Corbyn would easily win the election if I voted for Brexit Party
(2) That Boris might prove to be a closet remainer, and the last line of EU defence.

In the end, I was prevented from making mistake (1) or buying into the notion that Corbyn actually presented a real threat. This was good in that it prevented people like me causing yet another Hung Parliament which would easily have had a Remainer Majority.

The proof that fears of (2) are unfounded - we’ll know by Febuary 1st 2020.

We still have the WMD moves of the EU to contend with between now and the end of January, I suggest.
In previous posts, I have already spoken of the EU engaging in activity such as “Weaponized Power Cuts” where the European feed into our national grid is “switched off for a while” to show the UK just how dependent we are upon EU imported electricity now that so much of our home-generated capacity has been demolished under previous governments… Tony Blair, who once represented the Electable side of Remainer Labour - is probably over there now, advising the EU in how best to act “Legally” (he is a lawyer, after all…) to yet thwart Brexit, and bring us begging to “re-join” even if we ever get past the point of no return with Boris.
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I should point out that I never voted for Tony Blair, and do not support him in any way. I merely respect the fact that Blair happens to be (and perhaps “still is”) the most powerful HR the EU continue to possess, and continues to pose a threat should any “comeback to Labour” be about in the next year or two…

I never supported Thatcher, neither - so I’m not a natural Tory here. Once Brexit is indeed done under Boris Johnson, then it may be the case that by that point, my vote will be going to a Reform Party should they have replaced Labour as a viable opposition to the incumbent Tory government as we are now.

Thus, I’m looking to return to my former central ground, except that it would be Reform Party, Left of the Conservatives, trying to drag Labour supporters in by representing the Right to them, unlike Cleggy who had the chance to “get something done with Gordon Brown in 2010” - but despite having my vote on that occasion, decided to support Young Pretender Cameron, rather than give any would-be Gordon Brown administration daily chinese burns to get the ongoing Centerist agenda done… Daft thing is, had Cleggy done the Brown thing in 2010 - we wouldn’t now have a country still divided over Brexit, with Farage supporters still “pushing for a 1st referendum that never happened” - satisfied by the large number of MEPs any party of Farage happened to have… All totally meaningless of course in our domestic politics! We might have even had a majority Libdem government by this point… Oh my! - How easily history pivots along from junction to junction!!

Of course, in actual fact, the Libdems left their centre-right members like myself out in the cold over Brexit, and we’ve yet to return.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LQAq1aHI4lA

You don’t have to get everyone on board in politics… Just enough.

From a floating voter’s perspective like myself - I only EVER “Lend my vote”.

Labour - are in a position to “win my vote over” in time for the next general election. They could even do it with Corbyn still in charge, although that’s a longshot at best, looking at past lack-of-leadership there.
I won’t be supporting Labour should Blair ever get back in charge though, so now matter how good it gets, I would only support a leader who takes on the new concepts that actually make them electable, rather than trying to push their own deep state agenda onto us, as Blair and Cleggy were apparently doing, and still continue to do.

The “Upsets” don’t end with Boris winning this election: We’ve still got the rather more hostil EU actions to contend with from here on.
Preti Patel - will have her work cut out, should Momentum lurch more towards Sinn Fein in trying to make some unholy alliance between British Far Left Nationalists and the defefeated personal powers of this election just past. They’ve already got their grubby mits at Momentum into Extinction Rebellion after all… Look how unabashedly militant is has become of late!

So are you saying that you personally don’t think that Blair is any more ‘electable’ than Corbyn just that others might perceive him to be.In which case how do you explain a swing Labour Leave vote supposedly moving to a supposed Brexiteer Tory Party which past form says can only be anything but.How would that make Blair more ‘electable’.While assuming that you are a Brexiteer why do you also feel that Healey was supposedly the best PM ‘we never had’ as opposed to Shore or Benn and why would you even think that Blair would be more ‘electable’ than Hoey.

As for me if it looks,quacks,and flies like a rigged EU sham election duck and conspiracy involving a false flag Remain attempt to subvert and to void the Referendum result,it’s a duck.The impossible telepathic thought process,of the supposed tactical vote that almost succeeded in unseating Raab,being the smoking gun for me.Added to the fact that assuming the Tory’s are closet Remainers flying under a false flag then the EU has succeeded regardless of getting its figures a bit wrong in the case of Raab.

[winseer]

Explaining Labour Leaver’s position is easy:

The Brexit Dividend would have paid for all Labour’s expense plans WITHOUT the need to ever raise taxes, that normal reason that “people don’t vote Labour in the majority”.

Thus, people just won’t buy into the BULL any longer of “unfunded spending plans”.

Look at the sheer amount of cash the EU as a political entity gets through - to achieve WHAT exactly around the wider European continent?

What is the EU really all about?

Be nice to non-EU nations - at EU taxpayer’s expense.
Be nice to the enemies of European nations - at European taxpayer’s expense.
Be nice to each other, including home-grown criminals - at European taxpayer’s expense, and lives as well.
Only enforce EU laws to waste as much money as possible, via red-tape, legal process, and obsfucating anything useful that would stand to be done without EU interference.
Make laws that prevent us cracking down on certain groups, whilst upholding the “rights” of those who bloody well shouldn’t have the right to see the next sunrise!

If it were desirable or possible for a “one government European superstate” - then it should have been adminstered all along by those with some experience of “running an empire”, and of course someone worthy of that mantle - for pulling Europe’s fat out of the fire in two world wars…

The “European Union” ended up speaking English - and that’s the only part of it that was run by Britain in the end.
So much for John Major’s “Putting the UK at the very heart of Europe”.
How did THAT work out for you mate?

Outside of the EU of course, the Left of politics - no longer serves any purpose.

I see Britain as becoming a Conservative/Liberal state before long, with Labour/Greens being seen as nothing but “fringe politics” let alone an electable party.

Not so much “Canada+++” then - but rather Britain 2.0 at long last. Paying our own way as we have done, but no longer paying for those who don’t give a monkeys about their benefactors, be they British citizens or our worst enemies in the world.