Stanley Knife:
When you’ve paid your money and done the test, will you be a better driver?Stan
The driver cpc has NOTHING to do with the physical on-the-road driving which is the main part of a truck drivers’ duties - hows that for being logical
It was in the first proposal but they scrapped the idea so now it will focus on everything else but… my head hurts…
I am going to ASSUME that agency drivers will have to pay and join groups of in-house drivers when the ongoing driver cpc is being assessed - only a guess though…
Sounds about as useful as WTD
When that was first mooted I thought great, the Industry was moving into 21st century & I was going to work 48 hrs What did they do to it brought in a 3 word sentence PERIOD OF AVAILABILTY (fiddlers charter) Whats changed people still working 60/70hrs a week.
Something similar will happen with CPC when everyone realises the cost & implications another load of BULL will bring
How are they going to implement it, i guess in about 5 years time tens of thounsands of drivers will have to sit the CPC.
This government couldnt organise a ■■■■ up in a brewery, so how are they going to manage that, will there be people being told your going to have to wait 6 months to sit the CPC etc…
My mate went for his theory test in the summer it took a month and a half to get a theory test. So whats the demand going to be like for the CPC.
Be better jacking in driving a truck for a living and getting into training thats where the moneys going to be at.
As I understand you will be issued a card when you pass which you must carry with you when on the road. If you get stopped by VOSA and cannot produce your card you will get fined and so will your company.
Best thing to do is move to eastern europe and drive a truck registered there because I bet you won’t get stopped or fined then
tortoise:
Never mind they can always employ drivers from other countries. What do you think?.
This may not be an option for much longer as some insurers will no longer cover foreign drivers driving British vehicles, I was told this by a Polish guy that was having difficulty getting a job.
SCARAB: You say “I just don’t see why we all expect people to pay out for OUR development, its our career, not theirs.”
But aren’t these people also making money from us( a huge amount in some cases)by the service we provide by driving their trucks, so shouldn’t they make a contribution!!!
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I also don’t have any full time ties to any employer, so yes it is probably going to cost £300 to hire a unit and trailer to do the test.
BUT I still think that the knowledge gained will be of use to me in my chosen profession as a HGV driver so although we might not like the way its going to be implemented or run, I think the CPC could be beneficial, I just don’t see why we all expect people to pay out for OUR development, its our career, not theirs.
Alex
Can you tell me exactly how its going to be of benifit ? How is forking out prob the best part of prob £1000 by the time you put it all together if going to make you a better driver ?
Only peoples careers this is going to help is people who do driver training who are looking at a massive windfall and huge increase in business.
The EU is pretty much anti truck and pro rail freight, just seems to me rather than any safety benifits its just making it harder for haulage companies to do business.
It isn’t going to make me a better driver in the practical sense at all, it wont have any difference on how I control my vehicle, or how I secure it, or many other things.
What it will do is standardise the set of rules that drivers are aware of.
You get a driver with 30 years experience in a room, and a driver with 30 weeks experience. Ask them both to write down the answers to a set of questions on WTD, Loading limits, whatever you want.
I guarantee you they will both give different answers, simply because they have both been exposed to entirely different training regimes.
The CPC should standardise this, both drivers will have been on the CPC course within the past 5 years and they should at least have a similar understanding of the rules.
Why are people so against this principle?
I can only think of two reasons:
They are stuck in their ways and scared of failing the test because they don’t want to adopt modern procedures
They think the CPC will be badly implimented
If your argument is number two then why are you moaning? it hasn’t happened yet, it wont for a while, we dont have all the information so nobody is in any position to comment.
There will be lots of different answers for loading limits and WTD ?
Well if you don’t know your loading limits and don’t know the WTD then you and your company are going to end up in court if caught.
So at the moment i could go out with a truck overloaded, not secured properly and drive for 14 hours then say well i have not done my CPC i didnt know any better.
Is there really people and companies around who just don’t know the rules then break them ? Isnt it more the case of people who break the laws are doing it on purpose?
You also forgot to add option 3, the financial cost. Maybe you can afford say £1000 out your pocket plus as well don’t forget the cost in time as well by not being able to work whilst doing this training. With little if any real benifits.
Maybe you have such a bad view of truck drivers that guys who do the job everyday for years on are clueless on how to do their job and constantly need re-training to remind them how to do their jobs.
now then lets see £65 MEDICAL £38 DIDGI CARD £200 CPC come on foulks roll up for the big rip off for goodness sake they are only trucks not boeing 757.s or somthing
I thought I was a good driver until I took the class C licence course.
I now realise I was only a reasonable driver then.
This training improved my driving.
We never stop learning, unless we close our minds.
The more we know about the business we’re in, the better we’ll be at it.
Sure, the cost aspect is a concern, but we’ve got some time to save for it.
what is it with some people that come on here with the old (just because you have 30 od years in they think they know it all and can not be taught anything) give your heads a shake they are only trucks we drive not space craft i have 35 years in so i am one of the ones they keep harping on about.if you pass test do your job dont damage truck ect you will not get sack and the insurance will contiue to give cover
I hold both my CPC National & CPC international, and certainly dont see any need for a Drivers CPC.
The only people who will benefit from the Drivers CPC in my opinion is the Companies who will charge the extortionate fee’s for doing the training,
well well, is there any reason why the FTA & RHA were in favour of the cpc? Of course there is, they will be charging their members for doing the training
If my experience is not good enough then they can find another driver, simple as …
It’ll take some doing getting 26yrs experience in a classroom
