So you pass the test at 18/19/24/30/40 and find it hard to get a job driving.
3 years after training you could forget being a driver and become a trainer. Perhaps Not Pete or Sean or even me but a trainer.
Trainers can earn realistically £110-130 per day for an 8 hour 8am-4pm day.
So how hard is it to teach other people?
You start 2 goals up. This is because the trainee believes you are so far superior. Can be true but perhaps not. Most trainers blag and BS their way every day.
You have already passed the test and you dont need Cat CE, you could just train Cat C. So how hard is it?
It is a bit like teaching children to walk. You can do it so how hard is it to teach someone else? The problem, big problem is teaching them how to pass the test. You can teach them to drive but not the mental side.
Most trainers could not care less about the test result. They only care about their wage. They usually will earn more from a retest. The ones that do care about the test result will earn less, but will feel better about themselves.
I would really like to know if anyone fancies being a top class trainer. There are probably no more than 10 in England.
I would John, but its probably a bit late for me. i will be 49 this year. passed c 5years ago only been driving 7.5 tonners for 4 years. And passed c+e easter this year.
I’d love it and I genuinely think I would make a good teacher. I’ve been driving C+E for 7 years and I’m 33.
I’ve often considered this as a career option, though I’m working full time at the moment. The money sounds good too!
LGVTrainer:
So you pass the test at 18/19/24/30/40 and find it hard to get a job driving.
3 years after training you could forget being a driver and become a trainer. Perhaps Not Pete or Sean or even me but a trainer.
Trainers can earn realistically £110-130 per day for an 8 hour 8am-4pm day.
So how hard is it to teach other people?
You start 2 goals up. This is because the trainee believes you are so far superior. Can be true but perhaps not. Most trainers blag and BS their way every day.
You have already passed the test and you dont need Cat CE, you could just train Cat C. So how hard is it?
It is a bit like teaching children to walk. You can do it so how hard is it to teach someone else? The problem, big problem is teaching them how to pass the test. You can teach them to drive but not the mental side.
Most trainers could not care less about the test result. They only care about their wage. They usually will earn more from a retest. The ones that do care about the test result will earn less, but will feel better about themselves.
I would really like to know if anyone fancies being a top class trainer. There are probably no more than 10 in England.
so what makes you superior to any other driver blowing your own trumpet a bit there aint you john, so you have a truck and train people it is not hard to do, they only learn to drive a truck when on there own.
Training is as easy or as hard as the pupil simple as that.
Me and my mate were enquiring about doing this but couldn’t get a realistic idea of costs for a truck insurance etc. Im 29 and he’s 43 and have both only got cat c but would definitely get c + e. Problem is its a bit of a gamble as Im already on 40k plus in my current job ( train driver) so not sure the gamble would pay off. I do miss driving though and if i could find a job paying this money driving then id be back like a shot.
You need certain qualities to be a trainer and one of them is patience , you need to be able to explain something a thousand times without losing your cool and if the trainee dont get it that way you need to be able to find a way that that particular candidate will be able to understand ,
my husband is a trainer (not hgv) but he has the patience of a saint , when our kids were young he could sit for hours helping with homework were as me i would be really biting my tongue if they couldnt understand straight away ,
not everyone can teach (train) someone , you can show them how to do something but that is a lot different than training
Started the thread to generally see how people think about becoming trainers. I am working on different options to expand flair and one idea is to train people to become a trainer and help them get started under a common banner.
I did not mean to imply I was in the top 10 but I do know what it takes to get started and how to run LGV courses.
There are not that many unemployed trainers if they want to work.
LGVTrainer:
Started the thread to generally see how people think about becoming trainers. I am working on different options to expand flair and one idea is to train people to become a trainer and help them get started under a common banner.
I did not mean to imply I was in the top 10 but I do know what it takes to get started and how to run LGV courses.
There are not that many unemployed trainers if they want to work.
I think the wise money would be on setting-up a franchise operation, in fact, I am surprised it hasn’t been done already.
So, if I read it correctly, pass your test, don’t get work as a driver but - after 3 years of not being near a truck - train to instruct and whoopee, you’re a trainer! What hope would there be of qualifying onto the DSA register? But I guess that’s not in the reckoning anyway.
Sorry, I can’t subscribe to that.
I’ve managed to expand my operation by funding it from within and, as a result, retaining control of standards and quality. I believe that’s the way forward.
The majority of LGV drivers could perhaps grit their teeth and sit at the side of someone on L plates. That bears little resemblance to actually delivering real training that will lead A) to a test pass and B) being able to drive a truck.
On a regular basis we carry out remedial training where folk have been mis-treated, incorrectly trained and generally robbed by unqualified people purporting to be “trainers”. If it were easy, we would not be doing this work.
To deliver structured training in an enjoyable, relaxed atmosphere is a real skill. It takes time and lots of experience to gain that skill. Sadly the system allows untrained instructors to take money from people. It’s close to criminal in some cases and should be stopped without further delay.
Frankly, I’m fed up to the back teeth with clearing up other people’s mess. It should never happen. But it will continue for as long as these “trainers” undercut. Which they can do easily. BTW the mention in an earlier post of £110 - £130 per day is not that outstanding. A fully qualified DSA instructor would not be jumping for that. Consequently, the costs of a top class operation employing the top instructors is clearly higher. Which is why we can be undercut. But I’m not inclined to lower standards to cut costs to do a lesser job.
So, as normal, I’ll continue to do the job as I believe it should be done. Maybe not the cheapest to start with but often ending up as best value. And I can sleep extremely well at night knowing that people are getting what they’ve paid for and often a bit more.
To be fair some one could teach people to pass a test with out having “proper” time on the road. But i think this would be a loss for the student as a trainer whos done the job for a while can give more than just getting you through a test but of course this is only if the trainer can be bothered, or equally i spose if the student is interested in any more than passing.
Peter Smythe:
So, if I read it correctly, pass your test, don’t get work as a driver but - after 3 years of not being near a truck - train to instruct and whoopee, you’re a trainer! What hope would there be of qualifying onto the DSA register? But I guess that’s not in the reckoning anyway.
Sorry Pete but I never said any of the above.
LGVTrainer:
I am working on different options to expand flair and one idea is to train people to become a trainer and help them get started under a common banner.
Peter Smythe:
The majority of LGV drivers could perhaps grit their teeth and sit at the side of someone on L plates. That bears little resemblance to actually delivering real training that will lead A) to a test pass and B) being able to drive a truck.
Of course I know that but I can also imagine that you have employed people who perhaps you have trained from scratch to become decent trainers and have gone on to DSA or RTITB qualification. Obviously every trainer has to start somewhere and some candidates have to be the first the new trainer ever teaches.
Peter Smythe:
To deliver structured training in an enjoyable, relaxed atmosphere is a real skill. It takes time and lots of experience to gain that skill
Totally agree and fully understand every sentiment in your quote, but the skills you refer to can be taught to the right person. Of course experience can only come with time. Now picture a network of PST trained instructors operating from locations you would otherwise not operate from. Picture systems that could monitor and maintain the standards you hold so dearly and have worked for so long to build. I can also picture it, but with Flair on the trucks.
This sounds like something I would be interested in, I’ve been driving vans and trucks since I was 14 (now 47). Now very disillusioned by the industry and I’m trying to get out of it but finding it difficult.
The idea of being able to pass on my skills and experience to the next generation as been something I have thought about but never had the knowledge of how to get into it.
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