Dipper_Dave:
Yep…
I.e. lets say 5% of the population are gay or bisexual, so out of 20 male friends 1 must (or could) be a bit lets say open minded.
In reality I would say its closer to 20% taking into account grey arrears like: those that have never tried it but might like it, those being so far in the closet they have one foot in Narnia, those who like a bit of gay ■■■■ but arent sure why.
So any form of statistical data is useless when percenatages below 50% are used…
Exactly.
Apparently 1 in 4 people is chinese. So its either my mum, my dad or my sister Ming wu ling. I think its my dad
stevieboy308:
How many jobs that say, a 3k, 2 week course or less will will give you 37k?
For a 60hr week? Shelf stacking at Aldi with no need to spend the £3k and a lot safer work environment.
Ahhhh, you can’t beat the classics.
Out of interest I looked at aldis website, and its £8.40 p.h. rising to £10.00 for 15-25 hours. If you could get the ten pound an hour for 60 hours it works out at £31,200.00. But you can’t, it’s 25 hours so it’s around 13-14k. I somehow think if I asked mine to work for £10.00 p.h., no double time at weekends and bank holidays, I’d be looking at lot of vehicles in the yard.
I was reminding one of mine before Xmas that he needed to get a wiggle on and use up some of his holidays (holidays run Apr-March) and he said he couldn’t afford one. So I asked him seriously of his mates that left school at 16, how many does he know that earn 40+k, and he doesn’t know one.
As for hours, being a office wallah these days, I do less than ever, but that’s still around 55, excluding any time done on the phone in the evening/weekends. Outside of driving I’ve been a forkie and worked for an Irish forwarder in the office and they were both more than 60 hours.
Because so much of ours is double man, we use a lot of POA, our average working week is 27 hours, total ranges from 42 to the max + ferry crossings. Technically you can be out all week, go to Sweden and one of you might not work at all that week and the other put in less than 20 hours. Makes no sense to me either.
Do I think hours are excessive yes, but no more than many other jobs for which you don’t need years of qualifications. And there’s plenty with degrees in middle management that work for 30k under stress I wouldn’t contemplate, getting grief from above and below.
POA and breaks paid here.
15-25 hours a week are the contracted hours part time,my Daughter has worked in Aldi Atherstone RDC for the last 20 + years and has rarely come out on basic hours its a case of if the works there to be done you have the opportunity to get on with it until its done.
AndrewG:
And what sort of cowboy ins company are they using to not insure re driving convictions especially for trivial IN10’s…
And…cunningly worded to entrap the unwary…tossers
A Company that is prepared to keep the idiots of this world, who think fines for DD etc etc are trivial, off the road
If you read my post i never mentioned DD i mentioned a trivial IN10 which has no relation to driving standards…
AndrewG read what it says in the advert that people WITH DD IN10 …will not be considered, your response was about using some sort cowboy ins company not insuring people with a particular offences (IN10),hence my comment which was to cover ALL convictions not just IN10
Conor:
For a 60hr week? Shelf stacking at Aldi with no need to spend the £3k and a lot safer work environment.
Ahhhh, you can’t beat the classics.
Out of interest I looked at aldis website, and its £8.40 p.h. rising to £10.00 for 15-25 hours. If you could get the ten pound an hour for 60 hours it works out at £31,200.00. But you can’t, it’s 25 hours so it’s around 13-14k. I somehow think if I asked mine to work for £10.00 p.h., no double time at weekends and bank holidays, I’d be looking at lot of vehicles in the yard.
15-25 hours a week are the contracted hours part time,my Daughter has worked in Aldi Atherstone RDC for the last 20 + years and has rarely come out on basic hours its a case of if the works there to be done you have the opportunity to get on with it until its done.
I was only going off their website and it was specifically about shelf-stackers as opposed to RDC workers.
albion:
Out of interest I looked at aldis website, and its £8.40 p.h. rising to £10.00 for 15-25 hours. If you could get the ten pound an hour for 60 hours it works out at £31,200.00. But you can’t, it’s 25 hours so it’s around 13-14k. I somehow think if I asked mine to work for £10.00 p.h., no double time at weekends and bank holidays, I’d be looking at lot of vehicles in the yard.
15-25 hours a week are the contracted hours part time,my Daughter has worked in Aldi Atherstone RDC for the last 20 + years and has rarely come out on basic hours its a case of if the works there to be done you have the opportunity to get on with it until its done.
I was only going off their website and it was specifically about shelf-stackers as opposed to RDC workers.
I don’t know about the RDC but I know a couple of people in stores. It will be 15 to 25 contract with plenty of overtime available but a lot of it is a phone call on your day off come in now or split shifts. Turn to much down and you won’t Get asked again.
Also your holiday is paid on contact hours so can be expensive to have a week off when your used to full time wages but only part time holidays.
Finally your monitored closely on your performance both filling shelves and on the till.
I have no idea if it is still on iPlayer but the episode of panorama looking at Aldi/Lidl may surprise a few
Colin_scottish:
I wonder how many of the posters on this topic wanted the 15 hour day when it was first spoke about.I am meaning when they wanted more money and were happy to do it then.Also the 60hour week will put you on your 48 hour working time the joys of it.
I blame the older drivers for not having a backbone when they were younger its all a big circle but are now happy to blame the younger drivers for crap wages.
I can recall in the 70’s drivers having two log books so they could work longer than the permitted hours, dodgy nights out etc. They were never the good old days I can assure you.
Colin_scottish:
I wonder how many of the posters on this topic wanted the 15 hour day when it was first spoke about.I am meaning when they wanted more money and were happy to do it then.Also the 60hour week will put you on your 48 hour working time the joys of it.
I blame the older drivers for not having a backbone when they were younger its all a big circle but are now happy to blame the younger drivers for crap wages.
I can recall in the 70’s drivers having two log books so they could work longer than the permitted hours, dodgy nights out etc. They were never the good old days I can assure you.
My Dad had two being a late 60s, 70s driver.
Used to work for an Irish company late 80s, early 90s, one of thier Dublin drivers explained to me that he knew all about tachos as he used two a day. He wasn’t joking either.
Colin_scottish:
I wonder how many of the posters on this topic wanted the 15 hour day when it was first spoke about.I am meaning when they wanted more money and were happy to do it then.Also the 60hour week will put you on your 48 hour working time the joys of it.
I blame the older drivers for not having a backbone when they were younger its all a big circle but are now happy to blame the younger drivers for crap wages.
I can recall in the 70’s drivers having two log books so they could work longer than the permitted hours, dodgy nights out etc. They were never the good old days I can assure you.
My Dad had two being a late 60s, 70s driver.
Used to work for an Irish company late 80s, early 90s, one of thier Dublin drivers explained to me that he knew all about tachos as he used two a day. He wasn’t joking either.
I started my HGV driving moving furniture for those Irish families that were moving back to Ireland. My boss, being tight, insisted on using the Stranraer - Larne ferry despite the fact that we were based in West London. My very first trip involved driving through Belfast on Bloody Friday, 21 July 1972.
I enjoyed the job but everyone else jumped on the bandwagon and soon it became uneconomic and he pulled out of it.
Winseer:
I suppose another way of looking at it is this:
We could all work 60 hour weeks for £600 a week or create one new 48 hours per week salaried full time job for every four 60 hour ones out there now (same work, just distributed differently) - which would employ 25% more drivers. If there isn’t a shortage of drivers - then lets take up the “slack” in the workforce available then!
You’ve not made it clear, do we all lose £120 a week or do our employers have to pull an extra 25% in wages out of their arses?
The EU WTD Should have meant the latter - but it ended up being the former. This often misunderstood aspect of “European so-called Working Rights” was the basis for many voting Brexit in the referendum, despite the powers that be stating that “You’ll lose worker’s rights if you do”. We’d already lost them of course. Whatever happened to “Rigid enforcement of the 48 hour working week”?
The Left of the workforce wanted and expected something more like what they had in France - I suspect.
How nice would it have been to enforce employment to a maximum of an actual 48 hours per week at work - without having to take a pay cut to get it?
Overtime would still be available from the Banked Hours concept - rather than “Banked Hours” being used for “driver hours” ONLY rather than actual hours spent at work.
Winseer:
How nice would it have been to enforce employment to a maximum of an actual 48 hours per week at work - without having to take a pay cut to get it?
Overtime would still be available from the Banked Hours concept - rather than “Banked Hours” being used for “driver hours” ONLY rather than actual hours spent at work.
I’m sorry Winseer, but it seems to me that because YOU don’t like long shifts, NOBODY should be doing them. I like the long shifts. It suits my lifestyle, and quite frankly, I enjoy the money. Maybe I’m lucky in having a responsible employer who will give me a short night if I ask. Who pay me properly and for all my hours worked. I don’t want to be financially punished because of irresponsible employers who treat their staff like cattle.
Winseer:
Whatever happened to “Rigid enforcement of the 48 hour working week”?
The Left of the workforce wanted and expected something more like what they had in France - I suspect.
How nice would it have been to enforce employment to a maximum of an actual 48 hours per week at work - without having to take a pay cut to get it?
Overtime would still be available from the Banked Hours concept - rather than “Banked Hours” being used for “driver hours” ONLY rather than actual hours spent at work.
Realistically transport won’t work if it’s limited to a 48 hour week at least unless it’s a 4 on 4 off operation.While the combination of limiters set at 90 kmh max and loading/unloading and legal breaks generally means a minimum of 10-12 hour shifts made up of duty,driving and break.The issue then is extended 12 hour + shifts which max out the hours regs which themselves obviously contradict the so called ‘WTD’ to a silly degree.In which case if the establishment ever intended even anywhere close to the WTD to stick it obviously would have brought the drivers hours regs regime into line with it but which would have then proven totally unworkable.In this case what’s needed is a simple realignment of the hours regime to provide a minimum 12 hours daily rest which would provide the right balance between operational requirements and reasonable length max shifts in addition to being a lot simpler to calculate.
Winseer:
How nice would it have been to enforce employment to a maximum of an actual 48 hours per week at work - without having to take a pay cut to get it?
Overtime would still be available from the Banked Hours concept - rather than “Banked Hours” being used for “driver hours” ONLY rather than actual hours spent at work.
I’m sorry Winseer, but it seems to me that because YOU don’t like long shifts, NOBODY should be doing them. I like the long shifts. It suits my lifestyle, and quite frankly, I enjoy the money. Maybe I’m lucky in having a responsible employer who will give me a short night if I ask. Who pay me properly and for all my hours worked. I don’t want to be financially punished because of irresponsible employers who treat their staff like cattle.
You’ve got me wrong. I used to go out of my way to do longer shifts - providing it meant “less commutes to work that week” which isn’t always the case.
My ideal job is more likely to be 3x15 rather than 6x8 for instance. 4x12 is probably my favourite pattern though. What I’m objecting to is a shift that when you turn up for it is supposed to be a 8-10 hour affair, and it ends up being a 12-15 hour job, by which point you’re dead on your feet - a dangerous thing when at the wheel of a 44t killing machine. I’m OK with long “defined content” shifts then. It’s the “ad hoc open end” jobs that I think we should not be forced to do any more.
Radar19:
I don’t use POA at all. We get paid straight through so no point in using it when I got just stick it on break and have done with it.
There is a point in using it if you want to be able to work more than 48hrs a week.
there’s only 2 reasons why i’d use poa
if i worked for a firm that paid wages off the tacho and deducted any recorded breaks and i was wanting to keep my wtd working hours down
if i’d be sat waiting for a length of time, but taking a full 45 min break now would mess up my day and if i was wanting to keep my wtd working hours down
they are the only 2 reasons i’d use poa. i wouldn’t use it because it messes up the drive time on the dash and other than the 2 reasons above i’d use break, perfectly legally and acheiving the same outcome whilst not messing the dash time up
happysack:
Dead on your feet after 12 to 15 hours? Jesus christ. Are you for real?
FFS if you get up at a reasonable hour on agency (let’s say to do the School run as I might do) and then the phone doesn’t ring all day long… Then agency phones you at tea time, asking if you can do a “job and knock” 8 hour guaranteed shift starting at 19:00 hrs… It’s at a yard you’ve done before, and the run that starts at that time happens to be a straight trip to Magna Park and back (for example)… So you’re expecting to be home by around 3am, and should be able to get an hour’s kip in whist you take your break on the bay whilst being turned around…
THEN when you turn up at 19:00, they have given “that” run to one of their own drivers, who’s already dispatched early. You’re then asked to do a “quick run” to somewhere like Stoke on Trent. But alas, it’s a bloody pallet run, and when you get there - you then spend 3 hours stop-starting in a tip queue. By the time you are heading back for base, you’re getting stuck in the morning traffic, school run duty missed, nodding dog something rotten, and all because you got lied to.
Well I fell for that a couple of times whilst on agency…
Then an attempt was made to stitch me up like that again (different firm this time), and I refused to do the 12-15 hour run because I’d only planned my sleep pattern for a 8-9 hour job.
Got banned from site of course, not that the ban lasted more than a week, 'cos there was no other mugs who wanted to work under those kind of circumstances I should imagine.
I’m FINE with a long shift - IF I’m fully rested at the start of it, and know it’s going to be that long at the outset. Trying to do a 15 hour finishing around 9am when I’ve been up 25 hours straight by that point - “Are you for real”? you ask… Don’t tell me - Everyone else stays up 25 hours without even blinking, thanks to pro-plus, some red bull and maybe a bit of “speed” as well…
