It has had a spirit tank fitted in place of the original foam tank. The late Gordon Baron was instrumental in it going to BCVM at Leyland.
gingerfold:
It has had a spirit tank fitted in place of the original foam tank. The late Gordon Baron was instrumental in it going to BCVM at Leyland.
That sounds familiar, Graham. It was Gordon who asked me to collect it and, I think, who gave me the photo. I do remember that it simply purred on tickover
240 Gardner:
gingerfold:
It has had a spirit tank fitted in place of the original foam tank. The late Gordon Baron was instrumental in it going to BCVM at Leyland.That sounds familiar, Graham. It was Gordon who asked me to collect it and, I think, who gave me the photo. I do remember that it simply purred on tickover
What a gem, 5,000 miles from new, not even run in.
gingerfold:
240 Gardner:
gingerfold:
It has had a spirit tank fitted in place of the original foam tank. The late Gordon Baron was instrumental in it going to BCVM at Leyland.That sounds familiar, Graham. It was Gordon who asked me to collect it and, I think, who gave me the photo. I do remember that it simply purred on tickover
What a gem, 5,000 miles from new, not even run in.
Absolutely, and it seemed such a shame that it had been messed about and lost its tank - I gathered that its survival had been in some doubt at that stage.
It just oozed its way up onto the trailer at little more than tickover.
Would that be an 11.3 or a 9.6 , which ever it`s great to see such a low mileage AEC still around
WILLENHALL:
NB12:
In this country though we dont buy british, look at N/D must keep Renault going (especially in the turboliner years), and in France the roads are flooded with French cars.100% correct mate
wouldn,t happen in other country,s what happens here . they look after there own we look after anyone and anything
Ive just been looking back at this old thread , I struggle to understand why you would buy any vehicle that wasnt right for the job just because it was British , horses for courses would be the better option 
api.parliament.uk/historic-hans … of-the-day
I think this is probably more apt on here rather than the buses thread , it is a long read but gives an insight into the shortcomings of the BL Management
Click on the British Leyland link once redirected from this one
ramone:
ORDERS OF THE DAY (Hansard, 22 October 1979)
I think this is probably more apt on here rather than the buses thread , it is a long read but gives an insight into the shortcomings of the BL Management
Click on the British Leyland link once redirected from this one
Ironically the bus example is relevant to your previous post here in that the continuation of RM production until at least 1979 was definitely a case of British being best and the right horse for the course at that point.Just as an MP SA 400 type cabbed T45 with up to ■■■■■■■ 400 power was ( would have been ) the right horse for the course at that point.The fact is the decision to sell out to the foreign competition for geopolitical reasons had already been taken.With scapegoating of the workforce being part of the diversion exercise,to cover the fact that the taxpayer was being ripped off and workers lied to provide the investment institutions with the required soft landing and to hide what was effectively industrial espionage and treason from the public.The conclusion that,like all the rest,BL was intentionally crippled,because this country’s government looks after everyone else except our own,being the correct one.
ramone:
ORDERS OF THE DAY (Hansard, 22 October 1979)
I think this is probably more apt on here rather than the buses thread , it is a long read but gives an insight into the shortcomings of the BL Management
Click on the British Leyland link once redirected from this one
Super find, Ramone. Haven’t read it all yet, but it looks like a comedy of errors.
The government were part to blame they put it about that gvw were to go up to 38 tons Scamell built 3 axle unit for this job air suspension on 2nd axle I think it did lift but only enough to gain extra traction the 38 ton gvw did not come about …wasted money.the foreign stuff had their problems but nobody tends to shout from roof tops about them, I had 2 Scania,s I would not have another,…thats an unusual fault (THEN YOU FIND LOADS WITH THE SAME THING ■■) WE KICK OURSELVES ALL THE TIME,THINK OF ALL THE FOREIGN ROT BOX CARS THEY SENT …BMW…AUDI …
It was fasnionable to slag Great British products.
The management was weak
The unions too strong
tribsa:
It was fasnionable to slag Great British products.
The management was weak
The unions too strong
I dont know if you’ve read the link ive posted its a bit long but some of the content is bewildering as far as the BL management are concerned and its no surprise how it all ended .
on the box a few years back program of how thing went on in BL (production line of gearboxes going well) engine line slow so no where to fit gearbox…management provoke stoppage on gearbox line …A days walk out and so it went on… riever .3 axle 24 gwv tipper 17.300 payload ,beat that volvo
Carryfast:
ramone:
ORDERS OF THE DAY (Hansard, 22 October 1979)
I think this is probably more apt on here rather than the buses thread , it is a long read but gives an insight into the shortcomings of the BL Management
Click on the British Leyland link once redirected from this oneIronically the bus example is relevant to your previous post here in that the continuation of RM production until at least 1979 was definitely a case of British being best and the right horse for the course at that point.Just as an MP SA 400 type cabbed T45 with up to ■■■■■■■ 400 power was ( would have been ) the right horse for the course at that point.The fact is the decision to sell out to the foreign competition for geopolitical reasons had already been taken.With scapegoating of the workforce being part of the diversion exercise,to cover the fact that the taxpayer was being ripped off and workers lied to provide the investment institutions with the required soft landing and to hide what was effectively industrial espionage and treason from the public.The conclusion that,like all the rest,BL was intentionally crippled,because this country’s government looks after everyone else except our own,being the correct one.
Totally agree CF
god it is sad reading…and angry
HI , FOLKS , THE UNIONS PLAYED A BIG PART , BUT I THINK THE EGRO MATIC CAB WAS THERAND E DOWN FALL THE COOLING SYSTEM WAS TO BLAME RADS ,TO SMALL TO COPE LEYLAND , AEC WHEN THEY WERE ON THERE OWN NO PROBS , BIG RADS ,THE GUYS HAD A BIG RAD ,OK , JUST A BIT OF USLESS INFO , CHEERS Barry
B.Wadsworth:
HI , FOLKS , THE UNIONS PLAYED A BIG PART , BUT I THINK THE EGRO MATIC CAB WAS THERAND E DOWN FALL THE COOLING SYSTEM WAS TO BLAME RADS ,TO SMALL TO COPE LEYLAND , AEC WHEN THEY WERE ON THERE OWN NO PROBS , BIG RADS ,THE GUYS HAD A BIG RAD ,OK , JUST A BIT OF USLESS INFO , CHEERS Barry
Hi Barry I agree with you The cooling systems were a big issue, But RED KEN IMOI & his cronies did Leylands a lot of harm, I ran several Leylands with very little bother, They were a good motor in my book, Of course its a long time ago, Regards Larry.
Remember the story going round.
Red Ken calls a meeting of all employees. He taps the microphone a couple of times, then says ‘The management have agreed to all our demands, a 17% pay rise, an extra 2 weeks holiday, travel expenses to the site, and we only have to work on Wednesdays.’
The crowd listens in stunned silence, then a voice from the back says ‘what, every Wednesday?’
The Parliament minutes linked by Ramone illuminates this subject well. The politicians participating in the argument obviously know f. all about engineering or manufacturing, other than the basic stuff that anyone would read in the Financial Times. The picture painted is that of the parent company trying to do things smarter, and encountering bog standard resistance to change in its subsidiary. No one trusts/understands the well-educated young engineers from up North, so they down tools, at least to some extent.
I can only speculate at the reason for the failure to recruit, to clear the order backlog- perhaps Leyland realised early, that the products would probably have to made elsewhere, starting from a clean sheet, if they were to compete, in the long term, with the forward-thinking Continentals?
I think that, from the 1970s onwards, Leyland’s senior managers knew what they needed to achieve. They also knew that most of it should have been done earlier, and time was running out. Their approach was ham-fisted and ruthless, possibly because of that. I also think that the Government should have hung on in, until the job was done. Much of the engineering expertise is still working- in Jaguar Land Rover, Leyland Trucks, Leyland Technical Centre plus various consultancies. If it had been kept together, I think more design and manufacturing would have been retained in GB, which would have profited more from a 21st Century BL, than it does from those fragmented foreign-serving subcontractors.
[zb]
anorak:
The Parliament minutes linked by Ramone illuminates this subject well. The politicians participating in the argument obviously know f. all about engineering or manufacturing, other than the basic stuff that anyone would read in the Financial Times. The picture painted is that of the parent company trying to do things smarter, and encountering bog standard resistance to change in its subsidiary. No one trusts/understands the well-educated young engineers from up North, so they down tools, at least to some extent.I can only speculate at the reason for the failure to recruit, to clear the order backlog- perhaps Leyland realised early, that the products would probably have to made elsewhere, starting from a clean sheet, if they were to compete, in the long term, with the forward-thinking Continentals?
Did you actually read it.They didn’t ‘down tools’ they were made redundant as part of a planned run down to closure.While LT soldiered on with it’s reliable simple to maintain proven RT designs.Because some well educated Northerner had decided that it would be a good idea to shut down production of its also equally proven etc replacement in the form of the RM,just when it was needed most.