Why 2014 will see an influx of Bulgar/Rumanian drivers

[carryfast]

robinhood_1984:

kr79:
There is a member who has a place out there think he does a few months there and a few here.
Can’t blame them I’m sure lots of us would if we was in there boat but the system ■■■■■

Thats it. Its not the fault of the Bulgarian worker who moves to Britain or the Bulgarian firm who undercuts the UK firm. Its entirely the fault of the politicians who sign this in to law and make it possible for our societies to be so undermined by cheaper outside economies that we can not possibly compete with.

^ This.
However most,if not all,of those foreign workers over the years,who’ve taken adavantage of the situation, are just as happy as those corrupt British politicians,to brand anyone amongst the indigenous population,who disagrees with the continuance of the status quo,as racists.On that note it certainly is those immigrants fault as much as those MP’s.The fact is it’s an unholy alliance of immigrants,who aren’t good enough to make their own countries worth living in,wanting to take advantage of a cheap labour scam being run by the British government and employers.In which case they’re all as bad as each other.

In addition to which is the selling out of the British economy to the EEC/EU and the global free market economy.Which has just added the issue of a flood of imports and exported jobs to the one of cheap immigrant labour in the case of the jobs we’ve got left here.

[dennisthemenace]

robinhood_1984:

kr79:
There is a member who has a place out there think he does a few months there and a few here.
Can’t blame them I’m sure lots of us would if we was in there boat but the system ■■■■■

Thats it. Its not the fault of the Bulgarian worker who moves to Britain or the Bulgarian firm who undercuts the UK firm. Its entirely the fault of the politicians who sign this in to law and make it possible for our societies to be so undermined by cheaper outside economies that we can not possibly compete with.

Who comes here, works for the same wage. The problem is the cabotage and the foreign companies set up in Britain, not the drivers.

[happy_keith]

Carryfast:
'…'ome’ of us haven’t been brainwashed into thinking that zb’s like Farage will make the slightest difference to the issues being discussed here…’
[/quote]
1. So what should we do now that we’re in 2013
2. Is it best to sulk or dream of how things could have been
> Carryfast:
> '…‘e’s a raving Thatcherite who’ll be all for the demands of big business not for the interests of the average indigenous Brit worker…’
> [/quote]
> 1. ‘…Thatcherite…’ So what
> 2. What’s an ‘…average indigenous Brit worker…’ in 2013
> Do you realise that within this suggestion you include those in the thread title
> > Carryfast:
> > ‘…As for unification based on being zb scared of a 1930’s dictator and his German followers we’ve got Heath to thank for that and then Thatcher who,no surprise supported and kept up his ideas of being in the EU…’
> So instead of loathing reality why bother despairing at what could have happened forty years ago
> So why not get real for today and save the venom for:
> 1. ‘…Heath…’ who is dead and a very reasonably unloved & discredited politician
> 2. ‘…Thatcher…’ who is senile and very incapacitated but who had major reservations about the EU - and from which we have learned much.
> Why not address the realities behind this thread and which threaten us now
> > Carryfast:
> > ‘…No surprise that Farage doesn’t seem so keen on the truth of how we came to be ‘where we are’ now…’
> Which exact bit of your hatred do you allege that Farage denies

[juddian]

Never forget those traitorous corrupt self serving politicians who gave and sold the country away (whilst millions of our good men and true lie before their time in foreign soil keeping this place free) didn’t take power by force.

Politicians are no more to blame than the blinkered bamboozled brainwashed bribed and bought and paid for electorate who insist on eagerly voting for them at every opportunity.

Don’t blame the Politician for reverting to type and feathering his own nest, blame the fools who insist on voting for them despite the fact that without fail they add their own tuppenceworth of destruction to the country without fail every 5 year term.

Its all over bar the shouting anyway, the country is bankrupt and once interest rates escalate it’ll be all over including the shouting.

Protect yourselves, don’t borrow, don’t spend frivolously, pay your house off ASAP same with any other loans, be as self sufficient as you can be and most important, don’t feed the beast.

[drivingmissdaisy]

^ This.

Although I’d disagree that it’s all over bar the shouting…

[drivingmissdaisy]

Dennisthemenace:
Who comes here, works for the same wage. The problem is the cabotage and the foreign companies set up in Britain, not the drivers.

No. The problem is politicians all over the world who fail to honourably represent the vast majority of their fellow countrymen, preferring instead to jump into bed with big business. Now why would that be?

[carryfast]

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
'…'ome’ of us haven’t been brainwashed into thinking that zb’s like Farage will make the slightest difference to the issues being discussed here…’
[/quote]
1. So what should we do now that we’re in 2013
2. Is it best to sulk or dream of how things could have been
> Carryfast:
> '…‘e’s a raving Thatcherite who’ll be all for the demands of big business not for the interests of the average indigenous Brit worker…’
> [/quote]
> 1. ‘…Thatcherite…’ So what
> 2. What’s an ‘…average indigenous Brit worker…’ in 2013
> Do you realise that within this suggestion you include those in the thread title
> > Carryfast:
> > ‘…As for unification based on being zb scared of a 1930’s dictator and his German followers we’ve got Heath to thank for that and then Thatcher who,no surprise supported and kept up his ideas of being in the EU…’
> So instead of loathing reality why bother despairing at what could have happened forty years ago
> So why not get real for today and save the venom for:
> 1. ‘…Heath…’ who is dead and a very reasonably unloved & discredited politician
> 2. ‘…Thatcher…’ who is senile and very incapacitated but who had major reservations about the EU - and from which we have learned much.
> Why not address the realities behind this thread and which threaten us now
> > Carryfast:
> > ‘…No surprise that Farage doesn’t seem so keen on the truth of how we came to be ‘where we are’ now…’
> Which exact bit of your hatred do you allege that Farage denies
> [/quote]
> If we leave the EU how are those ‘in the thread title’ so called ‘indigenous workers’.
> If Thatcher had any so called ‘major reservations’ about our membership of the EU she would have been on the no side of the previous referendum campaign just like Powell and Shore were instead of the yes side with Wilson and Callaghan.
> Farage obviously denies all that just as he denies all the other previous big business driven government economic and immigration policies imposed on us since WW2 using the bs union militant and ‘racist’ cards against anyone who dares to say anything against them.
> As for what we should do now that seems obvious.The country needs a reversal of those policies.Which would obviously mean the re instatement and re building of our industries to put them back where they were in at least 1970 and withdrawal from the EU ‘and’ the Global Free Market Economy and a change in citizenship rules based on descent not on place of birth.Then repatriation of many of the immigrant communities who are now here.Which of course is bound to create hysterical shouts of racism especially by those who have the most to lose by such policies.

[carryfast]

DrivingMissDaisy:

Dennisthemenace:
Who comes here, works for the same wage. The problem is the cabotage and the foreign companies set up in Britain, not the drivers.

No. The problem is politicians all over the world who fail to honourably represent the vast majority of their fellow countrymen, preferring instead to jump into bed with big business. Now why would that be?

The question of who gains from this is usually a good way of finding out who the guilty parties are and their motives.

[robinhood_1984]

Carryfast:

DrivingMissDaisy:

Dennisthemenace:
Who comes here, works for the same wage. The problem is the cabotage and the foreign companies set up in Britain, not the drivers.

No. The problem is politicians all over the world who fail to honourably represent the vast majority of their fellow countrymen, preferring instead to jump into bed with big business. Now why would that be?

The question of who gains from this is usually a good way of finding out who the guilty parties are and their motives.

When many/most politicians are share holders or directors in large companies, its hardly suprising that the political will to stop this wholesale immigration onslaught is non existant.

[carryfast]

Juddian:
Never forget those traitorous corrupt self serving politicians who gave and sold the country away (whilst millions of our good men and true lie before their time in foreign soil keeping this place free) didn’t take power by force.

Politicians are no more to blame than the blinkered bamboozled brainwashed bribed and bought and paid for electorate who insist on eagerly voting for them at every opportunity.

Don’t blame the Politician for reverting to type and feathering his own nest, blame the fools who insist on voting for them despite the fact that without fail they add their own tuppenceworth of destruction to the country without fail every 5 year term.

Its all over bar the shouting anyway, the country is bankrupt and once interest rates escalate it’ll be all over including the shouting.

Protect yourselves, don’t borrow, don’t spend frivolously, pay your house off ASAP same with any other loans, be as self sufficient as you can be and most important, don’t feed the beast.

The problem for the electorate is what happens in the case of the realisation that every one listed on the ballot paper are all the same.In which case the obvious answer is to withold the vote.However under our electoral system abstentions don’t count.You have to vote for one of those listed.Which in this case would just be the choice between Farage or don’t bother.As I’ve said I’d be one of the latter groups of voters at the next election because everything tells me that he’s just another version of Thatcher who’ll just do whatever suits big business best,‘in his view’,which just happens to be slightly different to Cameron’s in this case in thinking that our future is with just the global free market economy instead of both the EU and the global free market economy.IE he’s not in it for the ordinary workers just like Callaghan,Thatcher,Blair,Cameron,Clegg and Miliband and their big business cronies aren’t/weren’t.

You can bet that on the subject of immigration and withdrawal from the EU and the global free market economy they’d all come out with exactly the same bs about racism and we musn’t close our doors to the flood of imports.All in order to benefit their big business cronies who want the option of employing cheap labour and in the banks etc,who’ve invested loads of our money in foreign industry,to keep the kickbacks flowing.

As for paying off the mortgage etc that’s going to be a bit difficult for many people in a low wage economy and even if they do you can bet that those corrupt zb’s in government will find a way of stealing those houses off those buyers even when/if the place ever gets paid for such as in the case of ‘care’ costs or by increasing local taxation etc to the point where the place has to be sold off to pay the debt.

[kr79]

Carryfast:

robinhood_1984:

kr79:
There is a member who has a place out there think he does a few months there and a few here.
Can’t blame them I’m sure lots of us would if we was in there boat but the system ■■■■■

Thats it. Its not the fault of the Bulgarian worker who moves to Britain or the Bulgarian firm who undercuts the UK firm. Its entirely the fault of the politicians who sign this in to law and make it possible for our societies to be so undermined by cheaper outside economies that we can not possibly compete with.

^ This.
However most,if not all,of those foreign workers over the years,who’ve taken adavantage of the situation, are just as happy as those corrupt British politicians,to brand anyone amongst the indigenous population,who disagrees with the continuance of the status quo,as racists.On that note it certainly is those immigrants fault as much as those MP’s.The fact is it’s an unholy alliance of immigrants,who aren’t good enough to make their own countries worth living in,wanting to take advantage of a cheap labour scam being run by the British government and employers.In which case they’re all as bad as each other.

In addition to which is the selling out of the British economy to the EEC/EU and the global free market economy.Which has just added the issue of a flood of imports and exported jobs to the one of cheap immigrant labour in the case of the jobs we’ve got left here.

It’s not someone’s fault where they are born that the country isn’t up to much. If you was born in the Soviet Union it’s highly unlikely you could have changed the course of communism.
Same as someone born in England my join the sas if he was born in Belfast may have ended up in the IRA

[carryfast]

kr79:

Carryfast:

robinhood_1984:

kr79:
There is a member who has a place out there think he does a few months there and a few here.
Can’t blame them I’m sure lots of us would if we was in there boat but the system ■■■■■

Thats it. Its not the fault of the Bulgarian worker who moves to Britain or the Bulgarian firm who undercuts the UK firm. Its entirely the fault of the politicians who sign this in to law and make it possible for our societies to be so undermined by cheaper outside economies that we can not possibly compete with.

^ This.
However most,if not all,of those foreign workers over the years,who’ve taken adavantage of the situation, are just as happy as those corrupt British politicians,to brand anyone amongst the indigenous population,who disagrees with the continuance of the status quo,as racists.On that note it certainly is those immigrants fault as much as those MP’s.The fact is it’s an unholy alliance of immigrants,who aren’t good enough to make their own countries worth living in,wanting to take advantage of a cheap labour scam being run by the British government and employers.In which case they’re all as bad as each other.

In addition to which is the selling out of the British economy to the EEC/EU and the global free market economy.Which has just added the issue of a flood of imports and exported jobs to the one of cheap immigrant labour in the case of the jobs we’ve got left here.

It’s not someone’s fault where they are born that the country isn’t up to much. If you was born in the Soviet Union it’s highly unlikely you could have changed the course of communism.
Same as someone born in England my join the sas if he was born in Belfast may have ended up in the IRA

I don’t buy that.The Soviet Union and the poverty of Eastern Europe as a whole didn’t just happen by chance.Just like there were probably more pot smoking Rastas who preferred to sit around all day listening to Ska music and whingeing about how bad things were in Jamaica than those who wanted to turn their own country into a place worth living in like British workers were trying to do during the 1950’s/1960’s/early 1970’s here.

It’s no surprise that the immigration scene mostly seems to be about foreign nationals,from poorer places like Eastern Europe,West Indies,Africa and Asia,wanting to move into indigenous British based countries like Oz,Canada,UK.So assuming we weren’t there then it’s obvious that those countries would just be colonies based on those foreign nationals not ours in which case there would be no point in them leaving their own countries.While even in tyhe case of the USA the freed slaves and their descendents didn’t seem to want to return to their ancestral homelands rather than whinge and whine about being allowed to stay and integrate with indigenous British US society.

In other words it’s all about a load of foreigners trying to improve their standards of living by moving in amongst indigenous British societies and taking a cut of the better standards of living which those British societies have tried to make for themselves.All helped by an alliance of loony lefties who want the world to live as one,even if loads of them are living here,and big business looking for the cheap labour opportunities.With both calling anyone who disagrees with them racist.

[happy_keith]

Carryfast:
‘…If we leave the EU how are those ‘in the thread title’ so called ‘indigenous workers’…?’

By extending Gordon Brown’s definition of ‘British jobs for British workers’, then any EU citizen living/being/dossing in Britain qualifies as being British when doing, or seeking employment.

Carryfast:
‘…If Thatcher had any so called ‘major reservations’ about our membership of the EU she would have been on the no side of the previous referendum campaign …’

If only she knew different now - like many now do in 2013

Carryfast:
‘…Farage obviously denies all that just as he denies all the other previous big business driven government economic and immigration policies imposed on us since WW2 using the bs union militant and ‘racist’ cards against anyone who dares to say anything against them…’

'…[O]bviously

What is obvious is that you loathe him without much thorough knowledge of his beliefs - and less so his values.

Carryfast:
‘…The country needs a reversal of those policies.Which would obviously mean the re instatement and re building of our industries to put them back where they were in at least 1970 …’

Using whose money and under whose leadership

Carryfast:
‘…[W]ithdrawal from the EU ‘and’ the Global Free Market Economy and a change in citizenship rules based on descent not on place of birth…’

Compulsory DNA tests

Carryfast:
‘…Then repatriation of many of the immigrant communities …’

A Danny Boyle style remake of Kristalnacht sould sort it, eh

[carryfast]

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…If we leave the EU how are those ‘in the thread title’ so called ‘indigenous workers’…?’

By extending Gordon Brown’s definition of ‘British jobs for British workers’, then any EU citizen living/being/dossing in Britain qualifies as being British when doing, or seeking employment.

Carryfast:
‘…If Thatcher had any so called ‘major reservations’ about our membership of the EU she would have been on the no side of the previous referendum campaign …’

If only she knew different now - like many now do in 2013

Carryfast:
‘…Farage obviously denies all that just as he denies all the other previous big business driven government economic and immigration policies imposed on us since WW2 using the bs union militant and ‘racist’ cards against anyone who dares to say anything against them…’

'…[O]bviously

What is obvious is that you loathe him without much thorough knowledge of his beliefs - and less so his values.

Carryfast:
‘…The country needs a reversal of those policies.Which would obviously mean the re instatement and re building of our industries to put them back where they were in at least 1970 …’

Using whose money and under whose leadership

Carryfast:
‘…[W]ithdrawal from the EU ‘and’ the Global Free Market Economy and a change in citizenship rules based on descent not on place of birth…’

Compulsory DNA tests

Carryfast:
‘…Then repatriation of many of the immigrant communities …’

A Danny Boyle style remake of Kristalnacht sould sort it, eh

I think that the type of relationship which Farage is looking for with the EU won’t be much different than the one which Switzerland has so what really changes in that case compared to the zb up that Blair/Brown and not forgetting all those tory supporters of the EU project have got us into so far concerning cheap labour EU member immigration.

Whereas,unlike Farage,I’ve said that I’d want to see a clean break with euroland which really would sort out those issues.In addition to being able to protect our markets from the flood of EU imports including dodgy Romanian beef ( horsemeat ).

As for Thatcher no ifs no buts and no excuses she knew exactly what the EU was all about just like all those other supporters of the project at the previous referendum.If Shore and Powell amongst load of others could see through it then so could she have done.No surprise that Farage seems to be able to conveniently gloss over all that amongst his other obvious admiration of her and her policies and that’s why I can’t support or trust him.

AS for a citizenship policy based on descent not birth then are you saying that all the other civilised countries around the world that use that system are all nazis.While there’s no ■■■■■■■■■■ DNA testing needed to sort out that issue to my knowledge considering that citizenship,based on descent not birth,has been in existence in those countries long before DNA testing became available.

[happy_keith]

Carryfast:
‘…I think that the type of relationship which Farage is looking for with the EU won’t be much different than the one which Switzerland has …’

With British tweeks to suit British needs mindful of Britain’s culture and (the best bits of) Britain’s foreign obligations, I fail to see why either Norway or Switzerland present an abhorent model to avoid.

[carryfast]

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…I think that the type of relationship which Farage is looking for with the EU won’t be much different than the one which Switzerland has …’

With British tweeks to suit British needs mindful of Britain’s culture and (the best bits of) Britain’s foreign obligations, I fail to see why either Norway or Switzerland present an abhorent model to avoid.

So assuming that you’re supporting the idea of stopping immigration of EU workers from Eastern Europe how are you going to do that with the type of deal which Switzerland has now lumbered itself with.All no doubt based on the same idea of cheap labour for Swiss big business.I’m sure that Swiss workers are ecstatic about the idea of being able to live and work in France or Italy in exchange for inevitably,eventually,allowing east europeans to work in Switzerland just as if Switzerland was in the EU the same as we are.

ec.europa.eu/social/main.jsp?catId=470

As I’ve said Farage,just like the Swiss government,obviously isn’t in it for the benefit of British workers because basically he’s a Thatcherite.Which is why he was a member of the Tory Party happy to serve in Thatcher’s government at least until she had to leave office before she caused any more riots in the country.

Although just like her no surprise that he’s trying to pretend that he’s on the workers side to get their vote assuming that they are mug enough to believe him which I’m not just as I wasn’t mug enough to support Callaghan and the so called Labour Party ever since that zb and his cronies who followed him like Blair etc took the Labour Party over.Basically most British politicians are all zb’s who are in it for themselves and/or their cronies in big business and I don’t think Farage is any different in that regard.

[happy_keith]

Carryfast:
‘…So assuming that you’re supporting the idea of stopping immigration of EU workers from Eastern Europe how are you going to do that with the type of deal which Switzerland has now lumbered itself with…’ etc.

Are you confusing me for a parliamentary candidate, perhaps?

I’m not, but I will guess that proper language skills at the border - assessed by at least a second generation, single nationality Briton is a potential place to start. A firm job offer or six month enforcable visa is another. Maybe a looky-peep at accredited qualifications relevant to any employment liklihood from a British embassy in their own country may also be relevant since Britain doesn’t overly need more cabbies, kebab wallahs or sullen-eyed, black clothed post boxes queuing for freebies outside EU indoctrinated Government buildings at my or UK taxpayers expense. What does Australia do? I’d take their lead as a cue

Carryfast:
‘…I’m sure that Swiss workers are ecstatic about the idea of being able to live and work in France or Italy in exchange for inevitably,eventually,allowing east europeans to work in Switzerland just as if Switzerland was in the EU the same as we are…’

I’m happy for others to stay as ‘…sure…’ as they wish about foreign lands: I simply care about Britain being independent from unelected outsiders with their (understandable but) unwanted & ungracious agenda toward Britain, eg - Mr’s Barrossa & van Rumpuuy, etc.

Carryfast:
'…As I’ve said Farage,just like the Swiss government, obviously isn’t in it for the benefit of British workers because … etc

Imperfect politicians are arguably the price that Britain will henceforth pay for becoming too rapidly diversified whilst hoodwinked by EU bolleaux [sic & especial thanks to Blair].

No one politician - certainly to include Mr N. Farage - will ever 100% appeal to 100% of the electorate. Personally, I’d prefer if Nigel didn’t smoke - but otherwise I try not to loathe too many individuals, especially dead ones and recall lessons learned regarding planks in one’s own eyes prior to spotting splinters in others.

Perfection aint ever gonna happen, eh - but now is the time for the single issue of the EU to dominate our focus. Binning it is in the interest of maintaining the nation’s health by halting the inevitable dilution of living standards that undemocratic population distortions from abroad have been evidenced to bring to us. Britain isn’t yet:

1 Financially ready enough to cope with more alien influx
2 Coping with previous waves of alien influx
3 Healthy enough to cope with more alien influx
4 Receptive enough to politely or spiritually (gullibly?) best conduct ourselves as a host nation to draining chancers: No-one at street level democratically wants them (other than the BBC, self-serving politico’s, offshore billionaires, those that think it’s ‘right-on’ but are otherwise outside reality, translators & horsemeat launderers
5 Employing ourselves properly - before more nationalities further disenfranchise our workplaces with their indifference toward us passive fools: After the initial novelty, those larks may raise eyebrows but they certainly don’t ‘enrich’ or much benefit young Britons entering adult workplaces, for Heavens sake

That is why the single issue of in/out of the EU, (which like it or not and is only being advocated from the front by Mr Independent Farage) is so relevant to democratically establish before British democracy gets further illegitimised by unwanted diktats from abroad.

[carryfast]

Happy Keith:

Carryfast:
‘…So assuming that you’re supporting the idea of stopping immigration of EU workers from Eastern Europe how are you going to do that with the type of deal which Switzerland has now lumbered itself with…’ etc.

Are you confusing me for a parliamentary candidate, perhaps?

I’m not, but I will guess that proper language skills at the border - assessed by at least a second generation, single nationality Briton is a potential place to start. A firm job offer or six month enforcable visa is another. Maybe a looky-peep at accredited qualifications relevant to any employment liklihood from a British embassy in their own country may also be relevant since Britain doesn’t overly need more cabbies, kebab wallahs or sullen-eyed, black clothed post boxes queuing for freebies outside EU indoctrinated Government buildings at my or UK taxpayers expense. What does Australia do? I’d take their lead as a cue

Carryfast:
‘…I’m sure that Swiss workers are ecstatic about the idea of being able to live and work in France or Italy in exchange for inevitably,eventually,allowing east europeans to work in Switzerland just as if Switzerland was in the EU the same as we are…’

I’m happy for others to stay as ‘…sure…’ as they wish about foreign lands: I simply care about Britain being independent from unelected outsiders with their (understandable but) unwanted & ungracious agenda toward Britain, eg - Mr’s Barrossa & van Rumpuuy, etc.

Carryfast:
'…As I’ve said Farage,just like the Swiss government, obviously isn’t in it for the benefit of British workers because … etc

Imperfect politicians are arguably the price that Britain will henceforth pay for becoming too rapidly diversified whilst hoodwinked by EU bolleaux [sic & especial thanks to Blair].

No one politician - certainly to include Mr N. Farage - will ever 100% appeal to 100% of the electorate. Personally, I’d prefer if Nigel didn’t smoke - but otherwise I try not to loathe too many individuals, especially dead ones and recall lessons learned regarding planks in one’s own eyes prior to spotting splinters in others.

Perfection aint ever gonna happen, eh - but now is the time for the single issue of the EU to dominate our focus. Binning it is in the interest of maintaining the nation’s health by halting the inevitable dilution of living standards that undemocratic population distortions from abroad have been evidenced to bring to us. Britain isn’t yet:

1 Financially ready enough to cope with more alien influx
2 Coping with previous waves of alien influx
3 Healthy enough to cope with more alien influx
4 Receptive enough to politely or spiritually (gullibly?) best conduct ourselves as a host nation to draining chancers: No-one at street level democratically wants them (other than the BBC, self-serving politico’s, offshore billionaires, those that think it’s ‘right-on’ but are otherwise outside reality, translators & horsemeat launderers
5 Employing ourselves properly - before more nationalities further disenfranchise our workplaces with their indifference toward us passive fools: After the initial novelty, those larks may raise eyebrows but they certainly don’t ‘enrich’ or much benefit young Britons entering adult workplaces, for Heavens sake

That is why the single issue of in/out of the EU, (which like it or not and is only being advocated from the front by Mr Independent Farage) is so relevant to democratically establish before British democracy gets further illegitimised by unwanted diktats from abroad.

I don’t think it’s asking for perfection to be looking for a politician who doesn’t hold any connection whatsoever to the support of or the implementation of Thatcherism and Thatcherite policies and refusing to vote for any that does.

As for British democracy so far it’s got us leaders like Callaghan,Thatcher,Blair,Brown,Cam and Clegg.Amongst loads of others over the years who didn’t have the slightest clue about how a run a decent economy.So I,for one,am not in any rush to help to put another one like them into power just based on some bs publicity stunt that it’s much better to be ruled by such clowns just because they’re our clowns.Especially when those clowns are just standing on a big business agenda of doing whatever is best for big business.

As for immigration policy if you’d have said we need a policy of no more and repatriation of most of those we’ve got,which would take a total clean break with the EU not just a few changes to the terms and conditions to put us into a type of Swiss situation,then I’d have understood it.No surprise though that no Farage supporter would ever be able to support such a policy just as,like Farage,they would probably say that Thatcher was basically a good leader who just wasn’t perfect.

The fact is,like the global free market economy,Britain’s membership of the EU is just a reflection of all those issues being that,just like the import of cheap immigrant labour,it’s what big business wants.I don’t see anything in Farage’s history or present policies which would change any of that.

[big_jon_s_dad]

Geoffrey: 1/ Just what do you dislike so much about Mrs Thatcher? I think we could use another leader like her now to sort out the mess Nu Labour left us with.
2/ What do you have against big business? After all, most of our people work for big business either directly or in smaller supporting businesses. We can’t all be shopkeepers you know?
3/ Try and keep your reply down to less than 2000 words, ta muchly.

[happy_keith]

Carryfast:
‘…I don’t think it’s asking for perfection to be looking for a politician [against] the implementation of Thatcherism and Thatcherite policies…’

However, a turd cannot be reconstituted. Despite the pain consider how sewage is now better understood, not least for energy rather than politically wishing upon what never happened

Carryfast:
‘… Callaghan,Thatcher,Blair,Brown,Cam and Clegg … didn’t have the slightest clue about how a run a decent economy…’

Their connection being - not forgetting Labour’s contribution to the EU of the Kinnock familie

They were all primarily subordinate to servicing the financial demands of the Conning Market, the EEC and now the EU ahead of governing Britain

Carryfast:
‘…So I,for one,am not in any rush to help … clowns just because they’re our clowns…’’

Thousands have died for your right to vote: Perhaps respect them by standing as a proper socialist candidate on the water’s edge

Carryfast:
‘…if you’d have said we need a policy of … repatriation of most of those we’ve got…’

Yeah, and why not Kristalnacht too

Carryfast:
‘…[T]he global free market economy…’

Serves societal demand: Neuter them and we’ve cracked it

Carryfast:
‘…I don’t see anything in Farage’s … present policies …’

I appreciate the stance and what drives it, but argue that the essence of single issue politics is to put lesser causes & effects aside and build on the founding cornerstone: Ugly though it is, its not unlike choosing a favourite child to favour - and which nature does in spades.

To be built is clearly the need for economic improvement from what we do produce and can bilaterally & globally negotiate in English/Welsh/Scottish or N. Irish and not via a planted, beligerent EU ‘Trade Minister’ uncivil servant.

First to achieve is national self determination of enjoying values greater than ‘mere’ economics directly affecting the Former United Kingdom et al - or risk becoming a grey, illegitimised Federal State for Trojan Horse, LibLabConsters & unelected foreigners to manipulate