Carryfast:
switchlogic:
This is one of those times 750 horses come in handy. You’re most of way past before they realise what’s happening 
Maybe if you’re empty or it’s an 18 tonner but not much of a power/torque to weight ratio if it’s even a half loaded artic.
So not much if any quicker than a 1950’s Morris Minor or Austin Cambridge but you’ve got almost 10 times the length of it to clear.
As for a V6 Merc anything but ‘power liner’ drawbar outfit don’t even think about it. 
I doubt you’ve driven anything over 400hp it was that long ago so I’ll take your opinions there with a bucketful of salt having driven the odd high horsepower truck myself believe it or not.
It’s all about holding back & knowing when to floor it to get the pass done safely & quickly.
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
As for a V6 Merc anything but ‘power liner’ drawbar outfit don’t even think about it.
Are you confusing a power liner against a turbo star or something else with some go in it.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
This is one of those times 750 horses come in handy. You’re most of way past before they realise what’s happening
Maybe if you’re empty or it’s an 18 tonner but not much of a power/torque to weight ratio if it’s even a half loaded artic.
So not much if any quicker than a 1950’s Morris Minor or Austin Cambridge but you’ve got almost 10 times the length of it to clear.
As for a V6 Merc anything but ‘power liner’ drawbar outfit don’t even think about it.
I doubt you’ve driven anything over 400hp it was that long ago so I’ll take your opinions there with a bucketful of salt having driven the odd high horsepower truck myself believe it or not.
The idea of a high power ( to weight ) truck is an oxymoron.
30-50 mph and clearing two artic lengths + seperation distance is a long time to be on the wrong side of the road.
Oh and I actually got paid for making sure that all 635 hp, admittedly SAE Gross, was present and correct in accelerating almost 38t from 0-50 mph in the blistering time of around …35 seconds.
dave docwra:
Carryfast:
switchlogic:
As for a V6 Merc anything but ‘power liner’ drawbar outfit don’t even think about it.
Are you confusing a power liner against a turbo star or something else with some go in it.
The difference between 10 hp per tonne v 25 hp per tonne is acedemic.Good luck with that either way.Bearing in mind that a 1960 Austin Cambridge had almost 50 hp per tonne and took 10 seconds 30-50 mph.Put a caravan on the back of it then try to overtake an artic with it and that would still be a lot less length to clear.
What load of b/s nothing to do with engine size its down to using common sense as a “Professional” Driver on when or where to overtake.
Keeping in mind, some will never make a being a “professional” as long as they have a hole in their rear, more interested in trying to make themselves look good because they can “aim” a big motor rather than drive one.
Get my drift ■■
lolipop:
What load of b/s nothing to do with engine size its down to using common sense as a “Professional” Driver on when or where to overtake.
Keeping in mind, some will never make a being a “professional” as long as they have a hole in their rear, more interested in trying to make themselves look good because they can “aim” a big motor rather than drive one.
Get my drift ■■
The maths let alone common sense says that trying to overtake a truck with another truck is unviable in most if not all cases.Because of the combination of length that has to be cleared, non existent power to weight ratio and resulting time exposed to danger on the wrong side of the road.
Carryfast:
The idea of a high power ( to weight ) truck is an oxymoron.
30-50 mph and clearing two artic lengths + seperation distance is a long time to be on the wrong side of the road.
Oh and I actually got paid for making sure that all 635 hp, admittedly SAE Gross, was present and correct in accelerating almost 38t from 0-50 mph in the blistering time of around …35 seconds.
Ah, only 635, at ‘almost’ 38 tonnes, you brave brave man driving such a giant. Better luck in the next life. 1. I fear you took my joke a bit over seriously and 2. Even so it was a joke about out accelerating another artic not a Ferrari…….or Austin Cambridge 
. And 3. I’ve a fairly extensive experience of driving high hp trucks because I don’t tare around in them like a boy racer. Here comes the inevitable ditch comment. Biggest truck I’d driven back then was an R500. I got the opportunity to drive high hp trucks because I do siding alien to you, I learn from my mistakes.
switchlogic:
Carryfast:
The idea of a high power ( to weight ) truck is an oxymoron.
30-50 mph and clearing two artic lengths + seperation distance is a long time to be on the wrong side of the road.
Oh and I actually got paid for making sure that all 635 hp, admittedly SAE Gross, was present and correct in accelerating almost 38t from 0-50 mph in the blistering time of around …35 seconds.
Ah, only 635, at ‘almost’ 38 tonnes, you brave brave man driving such a giant. Better luck in the next life. 1. I fear you took my joke a bit over seriously and 2. Even so it was a joke about out accelerating another artic not a Ferrari…….or Austin Cambridge . And 3. I’ve a fairly extensive experience of driving high hp trucks because I don’t tare around in them like a boy racer. Here comes the inevitable ditch comment. Biggest truck I’d driven back then was an R500. I got the opportunity to drive high hp trucks because I do siding alien to you, I learn from my mistakes.
Ironically I don’t ever remember being told to test acceleration of anything by finding some artics to overtake on the A29 or A30.
Overtaking isn’t a drag race.
It’s all about building a decent speed differential to clear the target vehicle in as short time spent on the wrong side of the road as possible.
The 30-50 mph acceleration time of a truck generally ain’t going to be enough especially a loaded artic with the lose lose that it also needs a lot more room, so even more time spent on the wrong side of the road, to clear leaving a sufficient seperation distance.Let alone if the muppet driving the target vehicle predictably starts accelerating when you’re alongside.
Oh and admittedly acceleration is more about torque to weight ratio than power.
So your 750 would possibly be marginally quicker than the 1960 Cambridge pulling a caravan but still almost twice the length to clear before you can return to the correct side of the road.
The bloke who mentioned making progress and hesitating would have a different result on a driving test if they started an overtake on a country road. The examiner would be poised to “take action”
I know 32mph is 8mph slower than the posted limit for HGV but a motorbike doing 8mph over the NSL will come into sight much sooner.
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
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Lincolnshire, lol. Where if you’re doing anything less than 80mph you’re at a serious risk of getting rear-ended.
Wheel Nut:
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
ETS:
Lincolnshire, lol. Where if you’re doing anything less than 80mph you’re at a serious risk of getting rear-ended.
Wheel Nut:
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
Frustration is the biggest killer in Lincolnshire. I’ve always found that the out of town default speed for the majority of cars there is 45mph.
the maoster:
ETS:
Lincolnshire, lol. Where if you’re doing anything less than 80mph you’re at a serious risk of getting rear-ended.
Wheel Nut:
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
Frustration is the biggest killer in Lincolnshire. I’ve always found that the out of town default speed for the majority of cars there is 45mph.
At risk of being contrary…[emoji3]
Is the menace of frustration otherwise known as impatience?
“Frustration” maybe implies the slow lead vehicle is at fault?
“Impatience” maybe says the following faster vehicle is at fault?
the maoster:
Frustration is the biggest killer in Lincolnshire. I’ve always found that the out of town default speed for the majority of cars there is 45mph.
Yeah well, come night time that default speed nearly doubles, sometimes a police car with flashing lights desperately trying to keep up.
Franglais:
At risk of being contrary…[emoji3]
Is the menace of frustration otherwise known as impatience?
“Frustration” maybe implies the slow lead vehicle is at fault?
“Impatience” maybe says the following faster vehicle is at fault?
Contrary? Never! I understand what you’re saying and to a certain extent agree with it (not entirely of course it goes without saying ) let’s forget the whole “limit, not a target” mantra and accept that for better or worse we live in a fast moving society where people want instant shopping, gratification or results. So we get as often happens a car in good conditions in a NSL area travelling at 40mph, that’s 33% under the posted limit so whilst that vehicle is not, I agree, at fault it follows that it must bear a degree of responsibility for any dubious overtakes attempted by following vehicles surely?
No, not ideal, not big or clever, but merely reflecting the real world I’m afraid.
the maoster:
ETS:
Lincolnshire, lol. Where if you’re doing anything less than 80mph you’re at a serious risk of getting rear-ended.
Wheel Nut:
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
Frustration is the biggest killer in Lincolnshire. I’ve always found that the out of town default speed for the majority of cars there is 45mph.
Too true. The A17 for its entire single-carriageway length doesn’t move any faster than 45 mph through the day time and it isn’t much better at night either. Virtually no overtaking opportunities in a truck either as the [zb]s always put their toe down to 56 on the limited d/c sections. It’s probably my most hated road in a truck.
the maoster:
Franglais:
At risk of being contrary…[emoji3]
Is the menace of frustration otherwise known as impatience?
“Frustration” maybe implies the slow lead vehicle is at fault?
“Impatience” maybe says the following faster vehicle is at fault?
Contrary? Never! I understand what you’re saying and to a certain extent agree with it (not entirely of course it goes without saying ) let’s forget the whole “limit, not a target” mantra and accept that for better or worse we live in a fast moving society where people want instant shopping, gratification or results. So we get as often happens a car in good conditions in a NSL area travelling at 40mph, that’s 33% under the posted limit so whilst that vehicle is not, I agree, at fault it follows that it must bear a degree of responsibility for any dubious overtakes attempted by following vehicles surely?
No, not ideal, not big or clever, but merely reflecting the real world I’m afraid.
Hold on, you say of the slower vehicle
“…is not, I agree, at fault…” but also, “must bear a degree of responsibility”.
Can it be both?
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Anyway, in the real world, I am not above getting frustrated at some dawdler in front of me, but if I do summat silly to get past them, that is My fault.
I accept you’re explaining what is happening, and agree; but I don’t see that you are justified in using that explanation as a reason or excuse.
Since these days there are no longer any transport cafes to spend too long nattering in, I fail to see what the hurry is or are bosses now docking money for failing to meet planners target travel times?
Franglais:
Hold on, you say of the slower vehicle
“…is not, I agree, at fault…” but also, “must bear a degree of responsibility”.
Can it be both?
…
Of course it can. A man walking down the street shouting vile things at paasers by gets a kicking, not his fault but he must bear some responsibility. A cyclist cycling along the A1 getting squashed, certainly not his fault as it’s completely legal, but don’t you agree that he must bear some responsibility?
the maoster:
ETS:
Lincolnshire, lol. Where if you’re doing anything less than 80mph you’re at a serious risk of getting rear-ended.
Wheel Nut:
The A15 in Lincolnshire is a long straight road, it also has one of the highest accident and death rates.
Frustration is the biggest killer in Lincolnshire. I’ve always found that the out of town default speed for the majority of cars there is 45mph.
Probably because like so many other places the place is infested with speed cameras and arbitrary stupid speed limits.It’s all too easy to get seriously nicked for doing 65mph in a randomly applied 40 mph limit and the speed enforcement zealots know it.
That just makes overtaking even more hazardous because the law don’t apply any discretion for overtaking.
All moot in the case of trying to overtake anything travelling at 30-40 mph with a truck.
You can’t possibly see far enough ahead as being clear and predict as remaining clear during the time needed from pulling out to returning to the correct side of the road with truck type power/torque to weight ratios and lengths.