DCPCFML:
Complete nonsense. I guess you’re one of these useless clowns that drives everywhere 10mph below the limit causing a rolling road block because you’re too incompetent to drive at the limit - which, I hasten to add, are always set arbitrarily lower than the speed the road is safe for. If a driver is doing 32mph in a NSL as per the story above then any competent driver would overtake as soon as it was safe to do so, assuming they had suitable power to weight to complete the overtake in a timely manner. Speeding up to block an overtaker is a [zb]'s trick and should be instant disqualification imo or lengthy prison time if their actions contribute to a crash.
But we’re not talking about the admittedly ‘useless idiot’.We’re talking about a potential head on crash caused by trying to overtake the muppet.
It’s only the overtake which is going to cause that.
Janos:
Overtaking another artic in an artic on a single carriageway in the UK is just arrogant nonsense.
More like dangerous than arrogant nonsense.
You’re one of those bellends who follows a tractor for miles and miles on end aren’t you?
How is it dangerous? If they’re prattling along at 30 in a NSL and you’re lightly loaded or empty and there’s plenty of clear road ahead how is it dangerous to overtake them?
What is more likely to cause someone to do something dangerous is a bunch of lorries all needlessly following some twonk who clearly shouldn’t be behind the wheel of one when they could overtake him. The end result is you’ll find one of the cars in the mile of traffic behind you decides after several minutes of this stupidity to do a banzai overtake where no overtake existed.
If you think overtaking is dangerous then you need to go find something other than driving to do for a living.
Just because you can does not mean you have got too, 40 is the MAX that does not mean you got to do 40.
In this case it looks as though B got impatient and A put his foot down when he was out of the 40 zone.
B should have backed off on approaching the bend in as much A should have been more aware of B and read the situation better out of common sense.
BOTH at fault for being single minded “plonkers”
Conor:
If you think overtaking is dangerous then you need to go find something other than driving to do for a living.
If it isn’t potentially dangerous then why is there a roadsign prohibiting overtaking?
Janos stated overtaking an artic on any single carriageway in the entire UK was wrong whether signposted as no overtaking or not, Carryfast agreed.
Near where I work there’s a single carriageway stretch that is 2.1 miles completely straight and you can see the entire length of it. According to you lot if I get stuck behind one of Eddie’s finest on the Tesco contract who are unaware the speed limit for HGVs changed 6 years ago I should sit there doing 40MPH and not overtake because that would be dangerous despite the fact I can see that for 2 miles nothing is coming and it doesn’t take me anywhere near 2 miles to overtake, empty or loaded.
But it’s worse than that because in the example one lorry was doing 32MPH the same speed as a tractor so according to your little clique I shouldn’t overtake the tractors I come across either on that straight.
Janos:
Overtaking another artic in an artic on a single carriageway in the UK is just arrogant nonsense.
More like dangerous than arrogant nonsense.
You’re one of those bellends who follows a tractor for miles and miles on end aren’t you?
How is it dangerous? If they’re prattling along at 30 in a NSL and you’re lightly loaded or empty and there’s plenty of clear road ahead how is it dangerous to overtake them?
What is more likely to cause someone to do something dangerous is a bunch of lorries all needlessly following some twonk who clearly shouldn’t be behind the wheel of one when they could overtake him. The end result is you’ll find one of the cars in the mile of traffic behind you decides after several minutes of this stupidity to do a banzai overtake where no overtake existed.
If you think overtaking is dangerous then you need to go find something other than driving to do for a living.
OK what has happened to real Conor? Can’t believe I’m in full agreement with him here.
s3amu5:
Thats the second time in 2 weeks you’ve admitted to driving like the proverbial end of a bell. Last time it was some chap who was too slow for your liking so you flashed your lights until he moved, this time you just got fed up and went for it. Not defending the other driver if he indeed did speed up but as this point as a professional driver using your skill and judgement you should have slowed and tucked back in behind and instead of getting into a ■■■■ measuring contest to try and complete the manoeuvre. I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself and your driving before you make a mistake you can’t undo. We all get stuck behind somebody at some point, we all want finished quick some days but as supposed professional drivers the onus is on us to make the right call 100% of the time because the day you don’t is day somebody might not get back home. Might sound dramatic but if more drivers approached their working day with this attitude the roads might just be that but safer. Patience and understanding is a skill required for this job and if you don’t have it you shouldn’t be driving a truck for a living imho.
Goes on about “professional” yet directs the blame at the completely wrong person. The “unprofessional” was the idiot dicking about driving 10 mph below the speed limit for no reason THEN speeding up deliberately to try to cause a head on collision. As for the other clown above saying there’s nothing wrong with driving that slowly - try that on your driving test and see how it ends for you.
Driving faults recorded
20 Progress
Appropriate speed: Crawls along at slow speeds on clear roads. Makes no attempt to achieve maximum speeds for the road when safe to do so. Reduces speed excessively when the conditions do not merit doing so. Makes slow progress through the gears in normal driving.
Undue hesitancy:
Makes unnecessary stops at junctions and other hazards.
Waits unnecessarily when it is safe to proceed at junctions.
Waits for green light at pedestrian crossings when clear on flashing amber.
Waits for other drivers, who are clearly giving way.
Vehicle A is at fault all day long. If he was a real driver and not a blue chip steering wheel attendant then he would of slowed to let the other truck pass. Typical of the breed of driver that is on the road today, even some of the old boys seem to have that attitude now as seen by some on here.
Janos:
Overtaking another artic in an artic on a single carriageway in the UK is just arrogant nonsense.
More like dangerous than arrogant nonsense.
You’re one of those bellends who follows a tractor for miles and miles on end aren’t you?
How is it dangerous? If they’re prattling along at 30 in a NSL and you’re lightly loaded or empty and there’s plenty of clear road ahead how is it dangerous to overtake them?
What is more likely to cause someone to do something dangerous is a bunch of lorries all needlessly following some twonk who clearly shouldn’t be behind the wheel of one when they could overtake him. The end result is you’ll find one of the cars in the mile of traffic behind you decides after several minutes of this stupidity to do a banzai overtake where no overtake existed.
If you think overtaking is dangerous then you need to go find something other than driving to do for a living.
The maths alone say it’s dangerous.
You really think that you can accelerate an artic from 30 mph, or even 40 mph, up to a decent required speed differential to clear both lengths of truck and get back in leaving a decent clearance within the around half mile of clear space ahead.
Bearing in mind that even then you’ve got a 56 mph limiter.
That’s without factoring in the type of zb who’ll predictably try to hang you out to dry by accelerating.
As I said a head on crash will hurt.
Where did I say that a tractor isn’t an exception that proves the rule for obvious bleedin reasons related to all those figures.
s3amu5:
Thats the second time in 2 weeks you’ve admitted to driving like the proverbial end of a bell. Last time it was some chap who was too slow for your liking so you flashed your lights until he moved, this time you just got fed up and went for it. Not defending the other driver if he indeed did speed up but as this point as a professional driver using your skill and judgement you should have slowed and tucked back in behind and instead of getting into a ■■■■ measuring contest to try and complete the manoeuvre. I would suggest you take a long hard look at yourself and your driving before you make a mistake you can’t undo. We all get stuck behind somebody at some point, we all want finished quick some days but as supposed professional drivers the onus is on us to make the right call 100% of the time because the day you don’t is day somebody might not get back home. Might sound dramatic but if more drivers approached their working day with this attitude the roads might just be that but safer. Patience and understanding is a skill required for this job and if you don’t have it you shouldn’t be driving a truck for a living imho.
Goes on about “professional” yet directs the blame at the completely wrong person. The “unprofessional” was the idiot dicking about driving 10 mph below the speed limit for no reason THEN speeding up deliberately to try to cause a head on collision. As for the other clown above saying there’s nothing wrong with driving that slowly - try that on your driving test and see how it ends for you.
Driving faults recorded
20 Progress
Appropriate speed: Crawls along at slow speeds on clear roads. Makes no attempt to achieve maximum speeds for the road when safe to do so. Reduces speed excessively when the conditions do not merit doing so. Makes slow progress through the gears in normal driving.
Undue hesitancy:
Makes unnecessary stops at junctions and other hazards.
Waits unnecessarily when it is safe to proceed at junctions.
Waits for green light at pedestrian crossings when clear on flashing amber.
Waits for other drivers, who are clearly giving way.
Yep driver A is a muppet like so many others out there.
Now give us your estimated figures as to how long and how far it’s going to take to accelerate an artic from 30 mph up to a decent speed differential, to clear the two artic lengths + the seperation distance before you return, from the point when you pull out.
That estimate will show who’s the real muppet who’s probably never driven anything bigger or slower than a zb van.
Even worse muppetry than driver A, in thinking that a truck can be driven like a car.
It takes exceptional circumstances for it to be safe to overtake anything with a bleedin artic or even an 18 tonner, other than on a multi lane road and even then it will need to be more than half a mile’s worth of multi lane road and trust that you won’t be hung out to dry by the typical road captain type of muppet regardless.
The anger management squad above should ask themselves, would I of done this manoeuvre if the police car was behind me?
If it were me in the same situation, I would consider the speed differential, which is about 10mph, and would consider it not worth the hassle.
If it were a cyclist, tractor or something similar, then I would overtake. Another artic would have to be crawling before I would consider overtaking on a single carriageway road. For all the stressheads above, shouting about how flat the road was, and are , where they would do such a manoeuvre, it is a known fact that the flat roads of Lincolnshire are the most dangerous in England and Wales.
As a o/driver who has not had an accident in over 35years and a 30 year NCB on my truck insurance, faced with the same situation, I would consider the following possibilities if I were stupid enough to swing my artic into the oncoming traffic.
Adverse camber
A speeding motorcyclist or car coming the other way.
A speeding emergency vehicle coming the other way, or coming up behind me. I can hear you bleating, that you would pull back in, but what about your fellow cretins who follow you out. You brake, they have their foot to the floor. Accident occurs.
Putting a front wheel onto soft ground on the outer edge of the road if other vehicle moves over to avoid a pothole or is half-asleep.
A motorist joining the road from a T-junction. Looks right only, and turns left, not expecting a 44t truck to turn him to dust.
The OP’s problem, that the driver being overtaken speeds up…for whatever reason. Frustrating, but no help to you if you put your truck into a field, or smash head-on into some poor sod.
For the record,as an O/D, I am always in a hurry, but thankfully was taught to drive properly, and approach the job, with all its frustrations in the right way.
As an aside,I used to do work for a co who put a number of their artic drivers through the Advanced Driver Test as they wanted them as ambassadors for the industry to do presentations in schools to increase recruitment. You could spot them straight away on the road, always courteous, and always a pleasure to talk to. The majority of the other drivers were stressed, scruffy individuals, racing about and trying to take a layer of paint off your cornerpost at every opportunity.
I don’t think the issue is really about the speed differential, but about the usual truck driver pastime of putting down a fellow driver and wanting to enforce their perceived superiority on the road.
Conor:
If you think overtaking is dangerous then you need to go find something other than driving to do for a living.
If it isn’t potentially dangerous then why is there a roadsign prohibiting overtaking?
Janos stated overtaking an artic on any single carriageway in the entire UK was wrong whether signposted as no overtaking or not, Carryfast agreed.
Near where I work there’s a single carriageway stretch that is 2.1 miles completely straight and you can see the entire length of it. According to you lot if I get stuck behind one of Eddie’s finest on the Tesco contract who are unaware the speed limit for HGVs changed 6 years ago I should sit there doing 40MPH and not overtake because that would be dangerous despite the fact I can see that for 2 miles nothing is coming and it doesn’t take me anywhere near 2 miles to overtake, empty or loaded.
But it’s worse than that because in the example one lorry was doing 32MPH the same speed as a tractor so according to your little clique I shouldn’t overtake the tractors I come across either on that straight.
We’re not talking about a bleedin Tractor nor a 2 mile stretch of clear road.
You’ve got to overtake an artic with another artic starting from 30 mph when you pull out with around half a mile of clear road space ahead of you on the wrong side of the road.Good luck with that when even getting by the supposed ‘32’ mph ? tractor is going to take some planning.
Janos:
The anger management squad above should ask themselves, would I of done this manoeuvre if the police car was behind me?
If it were me in the same situation, I would consider the speed differential, which is about 10mph, and would consider it not worth the hassle.
If it were a cyclist, tractor or something similar, then I would overtake. Another artic would have to be crawling before I would consider overtaking on a single carriageway road. For all the stressheads above, shouting about how flat the road was, and are , where they would do such a manoeuvre, it is a known fact that the flat roads of Lincolnshire are the most dangerous in England and Wales.
As a o/driver who has not had an accident in over 35years and a 30 year NCB on my truck insurance, faced with the same situation, I would consider the following possibilities if I were stupid enough to swing my artic into the oncoming traffic.
Adverse camber
A speeding motorcyclist or car coming the other way.
A speeding emergency vehicle coming the other way, or coming up behind me. I can hear you bleating, that you would pull back in, but what about your fellow cretins who follow you out. You brake, they have their foot to the floor. Accident occurs.
Putting a front wheel onto soft ground on the outer edge of the road if other vehicle moves over to avoid a pothole or is half-asleep.
A motorist joining the road from a T-junction. Looks right only, and turns left, not expecting a 44t truck to turn him to dust.
The OP’s problem, that the driver being overtaken speeds up…for whatever reason. Frustrating, but no help to you if you put your truck into a field, or smash head-on into some poor sod.
For the record,as an O/D, I am always in a hurry, but thankfully was taught to drive properly, and approach the job, with all its frustrations in the right way.
As an aside,I used to do work for a co who put a number of their artic drivers through the Advanced Driver Test as they wanted them as ambassadors for the industry to do presentations in schools to increase recruitment. You could spot them straight away on the road, always courteous, and always a pleasure to talk to. The majority of the other drivers were stressed, scruffy individuals, racing about and trying to take a layer of paint off your cornerpost at every opportunity.
I don’t think the issue is really about the speed differential, but about the usual truck driver pastime of putting down a fellow driver and wanting to enforce their perceived superiority on the road.
switchlogic:
This is one of those times 750 horses come in handy. You’re most of way past before they realise what’s happening
Maybe if you’re empty or it’s an 18 tonner but not much of a power/torque to weight ratio if it’s even a half loaded artic.
So not much if any quicker than a 1950’s Morris Minor or Austin Cambridge but you’ve got almost 10 times the length of it to clear.
As for a V6 Merc anything but ‘power liner’ drawbar outfit don’t even think about it.
OK what has happened to real Conor? Can’t believe I’m in full agreement with him here. 
You’ve just made that up. Nowhere in ETS’ post is there any mention of this.
