Cyclists go through red lights all the time
And of course drivers never do that…do they?
Dear oh dear… 
albion1971:
Cyclists go through red lights all the time
Yep!!
albion1971:
And of course drivers never do that…do they?
Nope!!
albion1971:
Dear oh dear…
Phew !!! I thought for a minute you where gonna say its a cert the lorry driver was to blame 
Mike-C:
albion1971:
Cyclists go through red lights all the timeYep!!
albion1971:
And of course drivers never do that…do they?Nope!!
albion1971:
Dear oh dear…Phew !!! I thought for a minute you where gonna say its a cert the lorry driver was to blame
Who me…never…LOL.
albion1971:
Mike-C:
albion1971:
Cyclists go through red lights all the timeYep!!
albion1971:
And of course drivers never do that…do they?Nope!!
albion1971:
Dear oh dear…Phew !!! I thought for a minute you where gonna say its a cert the lorry driver was to blame
Who me…never…LOL.
Glad thats sorted. Right , next we’ve got to sort out England , Ireland, Scotland and Wales …head over to the Scottish independance thread …!!! 
Your Country Needs You !!
Dipper_Dave:
truckman20:
colin woolgar may have been in the wrong but i love the way these judges seem to think they are right all the time ie if you had been driving safely and at the correct speed mr moore would be alive today YEAH,RIGHT,even had he been hit at 40 mph he would more than likely die from the impact anyway,maybe alive from a 20 mph impact but 40, not a chanceReally, yet at 40 mph theres a high likelihood that this accident would never have happened, do you really think 51mph was the fastest this prick was going. Perhaps you may consider that in a 40 mph you go 40 mph. Would it not be logically correct that if woolgar was going at 40 mph his reaction times would have been increased and the impact with the cyclist would have been less devastating, OMG he may have been able to apply the brakes momentarily resulting in a 20 - 30mph impact.
Just maybe you are correct and the speed made no difference, 40 / 51 he would still have been toast- please keep us posted how this mindset unfolds for you in the near future.
if the cyclist had not gone through the red light, there is an even higher likelihood that he would still be alive, FACT
If my aunts had testicles she’d be my uncle. Facts in this case include, the cyclist is dead & will remain so. The driver will be free to have another go on the roads before the year is out.
Slackbladder:
If my aunts had testicles she’d be my uncle. Facts in this case include, the cyclist is dead & will remain so. The driver will be free to have another go on the roads before the year is out.
No he won’t, He’s banned for 3 years
Only a complete numpty would be sending that level of texts when driving. The fact that he hit the kerb earlier on his journey, should have alerted him to the dangers to the point where he took more care, but obviously not.
As to whether the cyclist would have cleared if the truck had been going at the proper speed rather than 25% over the speed limit, we will truly never know. 
Both as bad as one another… fact!!!
shuttlespanker:
the cyclist went through the red light, which would have put a green light for the driver, regardless of what type of red/green light it was
Green used to mean go if it is safe to do so not go regardless. Jeeez I’m so old.
Wiretwister:
shuttlespanker:
the cyclist went through the red light, which would have put a green light for the driver, regardless of what type of red/green light it wasGreen used to mean go if it is safe to do so not go regardless. Jeeez I’m so old.
so, seeing as you’re so old and reminiscing about the olden days…
what did a red traffic light mean? 
Right decision, IMO.
shuttlespanker:
Wiretwister:
shuttlespanker:
the cyclist went through the red light, which would have put a green light for the driver, regardless of what type of red/green light it wasGreen used to mean go if it is safe to do so not go regardless. Jeeez I’m so old.
so, seeing as you’re so old and reminiscing about the olden days…
what did a red traffic light mean?
Close ya eyes and hope for the best, opps sorry, thats cyclists only
Could it be possible the cyclist started crossing whilst the light was in his favour:
Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings.
GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing
Dipper_Dave:
Could it be possible the cyclist started crossing whilst the light was in his favour:Give way to anyone still crossing after the signal for vehicles has changed to green. This advice applies to all crossings.
GREEN means you may go on if the way is clear. Take special care if you intend to turn left or right and give way to pedestrians who are crossing
Well there’s an island in the middle so he didn’t have far to go .
shuttlespanker:
after reading this“It was an obvious risk that Mr Moore would not stop. Had you been driving carefully and at the right speed the impact could have been avoided and Mr Moore would still be alive.”
it is also fair to say the same if this…
David Moore, from Shirehampton, was hit last July on his 31st birthday in Avonmouth, as he crossed a pedestrian crossing on red.
…had not happened
sorry, but, no sympathy for either of them, it is about time that cyclists realise that they do not have the right to go through red traffic lights, and it is also about time that they were made to pay a penalty for their ‘crime’, not necessarrily by death though, i do think that is a little harsh
but, if they get hit whilst jumping a red light, that is their fault
This is the reason I do 40mph on single carriageways with NSL, as much as the cyclist jumped the red light, had he been doing 40mph, then he’d have been less likely to be convicted of this.
I know I ■■■■ a lot of people off doing 40mph on the A66, the A5, the A75 etc, but tough ■■■■, if the worst should happen, I won’t have been a contributing factor in the laws eyes.
It does annoy me a bit when truck drivers go past you, taking your wing mirror off, blasting their horn and giving the coffee bean signs though, I won’t hinder anyone else, if they want to overtake, they can do so, just make it safe. I’ll even leave my cruise on 40mph when I enter a dual carriageway to allow anyone behind to get past, and only speed up to 50mph when it’s clear.
Some drivers are just knob heads, and it takes a few cases like this to get the idiots to see sense.
And this wasn’t even in a NSL, but it was 40mph zone, usually (but not always) 40mph for a reason, like children doing paper-rounds, milk floats, cyclists jumping red lights etc.
Both guilty, cyclist has already paid his price - with his life - and the ‘driver’ deserves to pay his price too.
waynedl:
This is the reason I do 40mph on single carriageways with NSL, as much as the cyclist jumped the red light, had he been doing 40mph, then he’d have been less likely to be convicted of this.I know I ■■■■ a lot of people off doing 40mph on the A66, the A5, the A75 etc, but tough [zb], if the worst should happen, I won’t have been a contributing factor in the laws eyes.
It does annoy me a bit when truck drivers go past you, taking your wing mirror off, blasting their horn and giving the coffee bean signs though, I won’t hinder anyone else, if they want to overtake, they can do so, just make it safe. I’ll even leave my cruise on 40mph when I enter a dual carriageway to allow anyone behind to get past, and only speed up to 50mph when it’s clear.
Some drivers are just knob heads, and it takes a few cases like this to get the idiots to see sense.
And this wasn’t even in a NSL, but it was 40mph zone, usually (but not always) 40mph for a reason, like children doing paper-rounds, milk floats, cyclists jumping red lights etc.
Both guilty, cyclist has already paid his price - with his life - and the ‘driver’ deserves to pay his price too.
had the cyclist not jumped the red light, it is fair to say that the driver would also not have been convicted
yes, the driver was driving like a total bell end, and deserved the punishment he got, BUT, that still does not excuse the actions of the cyclist
they were both at fault for this, and they are both paying the price for their respective actions
one is now in prison, the other is dead
shuttlespanker:
waynedl:
This is the reason I do 40mph on single carriageways with NSL, as much as the cyclist jumped the red light, had he been doing 40mph, then he’d have been less likely to be convicted of this.I know I ■■■■ a lot of people off doing 40mph on the A66, the A5, the A75 etc, but tough [zb], if the worst should happen, I won’t have been a contributing factor in the laws eyes.
It does annoy me a bit when truck drivers go past you, taking your wing mirror off, blasting their horn and giving the coffee bean signs though, I won’t hinder anyone else, if they want to overtake, they can do so, just make it safe. I’ll even leave my cruise on 40mph when I enter a dual carriageway to allow anyone behind to get past, and only speed up to 50mph when it’s clear.
Some drivers are just knob heads, and it takes a few cases like this to get the idiots to see sense.
And this wasn’t even in a NSL, but it was 40mph zone, usually (but not always) 40mph for a reason, like children doing paper-rounds, milk floats, cyclists jumping red lights etc.
Both guilty, cyclist has already paid his price - with his life - and the ‘driver’ deserves to pay his price too.
had the cyclist not jumped the red light, it is fair to say that the driver would also not have been convicted
yes, the driver was driving like a total bell end, and deserved the punishment he got, BUT, that still does not excuse the actions of the cyclist
they were both at fault for this, and they are both paying the price for their respective actions
one is now in prison, the other is not dead
Pretty sure he is… Right, you’ve just made a mistake by typing not instead of now, so you deserve to die 
I cycle, but I obey the laws of the road when I’m on it (rarely, I try to stick to tracks and trails), but we ALL see people do daft things on a daily basis, whether they be cyclists, pedestrians, company car drivers etc etc etc…
How often in a single day do you have to make adjustments to your driving to avoid someone elses stupidity? And this is my point, had the driver been doing the limit, even if the collision still happened and the cyclist still died, he’d have had the defence that he did everything he could to avoid it, and sometimes ■■■■ just happens.
as somebody who cycles to work almost every day (a little over a hundred miles this week) I’d say it’s the cyclists fault 100%. there is no way you would judge the speed of a vehicle well enough to decide you’ll make the crossing if he’s driving the legal limit but won’t if his doing 11 over. same goes for the assumption that “if he had been driving at 40mph, he wouldn’t have been there at that time”. well if your aunt had wheels, she’d be a train…
I do skip a light once in a while but if I get run over, I won’t go crying that the car, lorry or whatever was doing 10 over. the fact remains that he had right of way and I didn’t. around here, fortunately, that’s how the law sees it as well, up until speeding more than 30mph.
milodon:
as somebody who cycles to work almost every day (a little over a hundred miles this week) I’d say it’s the cyclists fault 100%. there is no way you would judge the speed of a vehicle well enough to decide you’ll make the crossing if he’s driving the legal limit but won’t if his doing 11 over. same goes for the assumption that “if he had been driving at 40mph, he wouldn’t have been there at that time”. well if your aunt had wheels, she’d be a train…I do skip a light once in a while but if I get run over, I won’t go crying that the car, lorry or whatever was doing 10 over. the fact remains that he had right of way and I didn’t. around here, fortunately, that’s how the law sees it as well, up until speeding more than 30mph.
That’s fine, the law didn’t say the cyclist was innocent, and neither has anybody on here, what they and we’ve said, if the ‘driver’ was doing 40mph, he would have had longer to react, possibly slowing down before impact, possibly not impacting, which could have resulted in a different outcome for the cyclist.
Chances are though, he’d have been too busy reading a text, doing facebook and god knows what else to actually react anyway.
What we need is Police back on the roads, and for them to actually do their job.
I was at approaching a roundabout (with lights that were red) on Friday fully loaded, slowing down for the lights and the car in the next lane (nothing in front of him) decides he’s coming into my lane to stop at the lights, I had to brake very hard to avoid hitting the moron since my stopping point had just moved by 20’. Whilst at the set of lights another car pulled upto the red light in the lane to my right, and a police vehicle behind it.
Lights turn green, moron in front of me floors it, cuts across infront of the vehicle in the lane to my right, goes part way around the roundabout in that lane before cutting back infront of me.
Then next lights turn green and he cuts across infront of the car in the lane to the right again and then drifts back into the correct lane and joins the motorway.
Police car still behind the car in the next lane to the right continues around the roundabout, completely oblivious to the moronic driving of the car infront of me
Personally, I’d have pulled him, checked his phone for activity and breathalised him before wasting his time with any other checks I could think of just to delay the ■■■ and make him think about his actions.