What are your views on giving serious offenders a sentence which means they die in prison.
Currently “life” sentences actually add up to as little as 7 years in prison with the 50% tariff taken into account. Keep in mind this is not for good behaviour it’s because of prison overcrowding and one has to behave in quite terrible ways to serve the whole 14 years if given “life”.
Personally I feel it’s a pointless sentence when the judge sentencing already has the option of a “minimum sentence” as used as early as The Krays trial if not before.
The issue as I understand it is that judges are passing down criminally short sentences to people who commit serious crimes.
Madoff was sentenced to 100 years in prison for stealing some money (a lot but it’s only money)
Rapists and peadophiles are sentences to less than 10 years typically.
Surely this is as backwards and crimes against the person ought to carry a long sentence than crimes against the wallet
My understanding is that a life sentence means just that, a judge will usually give a minimum time to be served and after that the person is let out on licence, and remains on licence for the rest of his/her life.
There are some crimes that are so unacceptable that life should mean natural life, unfortunately a European court has decided that natural life sentences are against a prisoners human rights
There are a few people who’s crimes are so heinous that they should never be allowed out of prison, I can see no reason not to sentence them to natural life, [zb] their human rights
tachograph:
My understanding is that a life sentence means just that, a judge will usually give a minimum time to be served and after that the person is let out on licence, and remains on licence for the rest of his/her life.
There are some crimes that are so unacceptable that life should mean natural life, unfortunately a European court has decided that natural life sentences are against a prisoners human rights
There are a few people who’s crimes are so heinous that they should never be allowed out of prison, I can see no reason not to sentence them to natural life, [zb] their human rights
it seems criminals have human rights but not the victims or (in some cases ) future victims
It’s British law which doesn’t allow whole life sentences. Bill of rights 1689. European law allows unlimited sentences.
The issue being raised is that of life imprisonment meaning exactly that. You die in prison.
The current standing is that should one be sentenced to life they serve a fixed term usually 14 years (7 in 7 on licence) then free to go about their business. Some criminals are sentenced to minimum term sentences (20 years, 30 years etc) but these are by no means the norm and these are subject to the 50% tarrif so judge says 20 year minimum you serve 10 in and 10 on licence.
What is being talked about is a sentence of say 100 years of which the criminal will spend as much as possible in prison (until they die) with little or no chance of parole.
I tend to agree because there will never be a death sentence in this country again sadly
It’s British law which doesn’t allow whole life sentences. Bill of rights 1689. European law allows unlimited sentences.
The issue being raised is that of life imprisonment meaning exactly that. You die in prison.
The current standing is that should one be sentenced to life they serve a fixed term usually 14 years (7 in 7 on licence) then free to go about their business. Some criminals are sentenced to minimum term sentences (20 years, 30 years etc) but these are by no means the norm and these are subject to the 50% tarrif so judge says 20 year minimum you serve 10 in and 10 on licence.
What is being talked about is a sentence of say 100 years of which the criminal will spend as much as possible in prison (until they die) with little or no chance of parole.
I tend to agree because there will never be a death sentence in this country again sadly
so what would you consider to be a capital offence ? we could start with the killing of a police officer in the execution (no pun intended) or their duty .
I think my views would be considered somewhat draconian as the list of crimes I’d like to see punishable by death would be somewhat longer than most I expect.
Murder
Attempted murder ( where significant impact has been made to the victims quality of life)
Serious assault
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Any offence involving a child being emotionally, physically or ■■■■■■■■ abused
I’d add capital punishment for the professionals involved in cases like Baby P and Victoria Climbie
Any offence where death is the result (by dangerous careless or drink driving for example)
Repeated drink diving offences
Any habitual crimes (feeding a drug habit for example)
Serious animal cruelty
In fact to make it simpler the above and any offence which when reported makes a rational human being think “for ■■■■ sake what is wrong with the world”
My list is by no means exhaustive and as said before is totally moot as there with never be a return to capital punishment in this country.
Last year a European court decided that it’s against a prisoners human rights to have a whole life sentence, that almost immediately started a procession of prisoners who are serving whole life sentences appealing on the grounds that whole life sentences acts against their human rights.
What’s now being discussed is a way of getting round the European courts decision by giving sentences of such a length that it would ensure a prisoner dies in prison.
tachograph:
What’s now being discussed is a way of getting round the European courts decision by giving sentences of such a length that it would ensure a prisoner dies in prison.
Correct although whatever your view the likelihood of these sentances being introduced -even if favoured by the voters- is probably none.
What are your views on giving serious offenders a sentence which means they die in prison.
I have always believed that imprisonment should only be used for two purposes. Firstly, to protect the public from offenders. Secondly, to rehabilitate offenders.
Those offenders that cannot be rehabilitated by prison should remain in imprisoned for the publics protection. Prison should be focused on rehabilitation & NOT on punishment.
I have never believed that imprisonment is an effective deterrent.
I also believe that the punishment of ‘outlaw’ should be reintroduced to society. The guilty should be allowed to leave the court, but they shall no longer enjoy their own protection under the law.
Should we replace the jury system, 12 good men and true, with one of those poll’s on TNUK or maybe a premium rate TXT MSG to The Sun newspaper?
Last year a European court decided that it’s against a prisoners human rights to have a whole life sentence, that almost immediately started a procession of prisoners who are serving whole life sentences appealing on the grounds that whole life sentences acts against their human rights.
What’s now being discussed is a way of getting round the European courts decision by giving sentences of such a length that it would ensure a prisoner dies in prison.
If I understand the situation correctly then I can offer my carefully considered solution.
Remove their right to free legal representation.
What EU law says that a guilty person is entitled to free legal representation to raise a case that is not related to their crime?
This single act would wipe out 99% of the nonsense. The nonsense does not stem from the prisoners, it stems from the lawyers wishing to act on their behalf.
Perhaps . . . the whole argument, both for & against, stems from lawyers looking for easy £money !
Prison is half full of some very nasty people who thoroughly deserve to be there, it’s also half full of innocents.
Dave the Renegade:
There are a lot of decent people being given life sentences every day, by Doctors and Surgeons.
Hang these other murdering Barstewards .
There are also very many people who are being saved every day by such people.
What a silly comment to make.
One of the things that gets my goat is the namby pamby way “”“offenders”“”" (criminals to ordinary people) are protected and cosseted in the UK.
Whilst personally I would not wish to go into prison, for many it seems to be no big deal. THAT needs addressing.
By all means offer rehabilitation and training, address mental health issues and detox them.
However for repeat criminals, these people obviously need a lesson. Hard labour, bread and water, austere facilities. Maybe set up a camp in the barren Highlands and give the laddies some work to do at HM’s pleasure
Add time for bad behaviour, not reduce it for good behaviour. If they can’t behave, then solitary.
I’ve no sympathy for the ■■■■■■ If you wrong against society in a big way, expect society to come down on you with a big stick.
Life sentence should be life. As in, take theirs away.
Killing people for serious crimes (murder, ■■■■, paedophilia, being a car salesman etc…) should be the norm. We shouldn’t waste taxpayers money on them.
Clunk:
Life sentence should be life. As in, take theirs away.
Killing people for serious crimes (murder, ■■■■, paedophilia, being a car salesman etc…) should be the norm. We shouldn’t waste taxpayers money on them.
+1000
With DNA, guilt can be established with more confidence. For the likes of Lee Rigby’s killers,
Discipline should start at school. Protect teachers especially from rosy eyed parents. Let the system filter out the thugs, and take away OFSTED. Put an effective Police force back on the street and break up the gangs. Give the police the power to detain and punish before cluttering up the courts with petty criminals. Make sure everybody knows that if they appear before a judge and jury they will be breaking rocks and getting reamed in the showers for however long the judge decides and for heavens sake crack down on the no win no fee merchants.
All my views are mine and mine only, so fire away guys. Jim
or (in some cases ) future victims 
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